LLLL.com COUNTDOWN!

[VURG]

COUNTDOWN COMPLETE!

NO MORE 4 LETTER DOMAIN AVAILABLE TO REGISTER! ​

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Since early 2005, I have been investing/trading with 4 letter domain names. I started this thread due to the large variation in opinions on how many four letter domains there are available. When I started, I heard a range on viewpoints ranging from 200,000 down to nothing. What I learned that most people did not know how many were available.

Sources of Error for the estimates in number of available 4 letter domains include:

Traffic Testers: These are people who buy thousands of domains at a time to see if the domains are being visited and only keep the small percentage of domains that have regular visitors and cancel their orders for the domains that don't have a regular flow of visitors.

Inefficient ways of making estimates: There are over 450 thousand possible 4-Letter domains. There are short cuts that people can take in estimating the number that been registered that don't include all domains. One short cut that is often taken is for somebody to search through a list of previously available 4 letter names that they purchased (or got for free) and assume that all the names that are not on that list are registered.

People quoting old information:The variation in the number available changes all the time. Estimates that are months old are very different than up to date estimates.

People manipulating information for a sale:It definately is true that incorrect information on the available number of 4-letter domains can intensionally be manipulated to sell 4-letter domains at a higher price. Typically the lack of supply tends to motivate people to pay higher prices.

As a 4-letter domain trader, I believe that the information of how many 4-letter domains there are is extremely valuable for two main reasons. Firstly, my pricing of my names is subject to the amount of work it requires for customer to find for similar name. Secondly, if I want to increase my stock of 4-letter names than the information of how many there are at reg fee prices is essential.

I decided to update this thread when the number of available 4-letter domains dropped to the following levels:
22% Remaining - 25th January 2006
19% Remaining - 31st March 2006
16% Remaining - 29th June 2006
13% Remaining - 1st August 2006
10% Remaining - 15th February 2007 (crossed without traffic testing early April)
9% Remaining - 26th February 2007 (crossed without traffic testing early May)
8% Remaining - 2nd March 2007 (crossed without traffic testing in June)
7% Remaining - 21st March 2007 (crossed without traffic testing early July)
6% Remaining - 3rd July 2007(crossed without traffic testing some time in July)
5% Remaining - 1st August 2007(crossed without traffic testing August 11)
4% Remaining - 14th August 2007(crossed late August)
3% Remaining - 15th September 2007(crossed In September)
2% Remaining - 14th October 2007
1% Remaining - 31st October 2007
0% Remaining - 2nd November - COUNTDOWN COMPLETE!

Although, the number of available domains does sometime rise straight after it drops due to traffic testing and people dropping their domains, I don't consider it worth mentioning unless the rise is as significant as a 3% rise in the number of available domains.

Types of Four Letter Domains that have run out include:
- ALL OF THEM!

Since I started this thread important event about four letter domains that are worth mentioning happenned:

1: Late March/Early April 2006 there was a significant shift in the market for brandable (fake words) 4-letter domains and they started selling at significantly higher prices and the market for the names has been a lot more active ever since.

2: In July 2006, a namepros member 3par launched DYYO.com as a site committed to educating people about 4 letter domains. This is an excellent resource for those who are interested in 4 letter domain names.

3: In early February 2007. All the 4 letter domains starting with the letter A ran out.

4: wasistdas won QQNQ.COM, PCZV.COM & IQKE.COM for the competition for predicting when the 4 Letter domains would run out
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Initial Post
Less than 23% of the 4 letter domain names are unregistered. I thought I'd try to keep this thread updated every time I discover another 1% reduction. I am now routinely checking the percentage of unregisted 4 letter domains.

 

[VURG]

If it is today or if it is 6 months time, I expect the rest to be bought out.

However, I think that the quality of the remaining names are very poor quality and there are a lot better unregistered names for most domainers to consider buying.

 

[topdaytrader]

There's plenty of LLLL.com available on Ebay for less than $5. Just buy it on ebay if you want one, its cheaper than registering at Godaddy.

 

[Alex]

Regarding the remaining combo's, I can easily see the rest hundred of 3 premium letters + q to be regged soon. Then, I think that LLLL's starting with really good premium letters will be al regged. Like in A, B, C, S or even K. I think we cannot find ALLL domains since February (correct me if I am wrong)

I foresee a registraion of all domains starting with T, N, M which are also very good premium letters.

 

[Alex]

Some available X domains that also contain the semi premiu letter U:

UDHX.COM
UFHX.COM
XHBU.COM
UXLH.COM
UXMP.COM
UXPH.COM
UHXF.COM
XNCU.COM
UXLR.COM
URXH.COM
UXGF.COM
UXHN.COM
UXRP.COM
UHBX.COM
UMXH.COM
XRPU.COM
XUFH.COM
UXMR.COM
UXNH.COM
UXHF.COM
UXRH.COM
UXHM.COM
UXHT.COM
XGHU.COM
ULDX.COM
UXMF.COM
UXHL.COM

X is a popular letter in China. Out of these domains the following are registered in either .cn or .com.cn

xrpu .cn , xrpu.com.cn
uxlh.cn
ufhx.cn
xncu.cn
xrhu.cn
uxhn.cn
xncu.cn
uxhf.cn

 

[DomainMagnate]

thanks Alex,
all taken, except for UXHT.COM

don't ask why.. I lacked a buck in my account so had to let one go heh :D


~MG

 

[fatter]

I guess I am one of the few domainers that just dont get the LLLL craze, dont get me wrong i have a few but they mean something and get traffic, and i do beleive after all are registered you might be able to sell non desirable names for twiice reg fee, but i see domainers regging hundreds of names and if they arent making money parked then just to break even if you had 500 names you would have to sell half of them in first year at twice reg fee. Just to break even. lets say you sell them at 5 times reg fee that means with 500 names you would have to sell 100 a year as break even point.
to me the risk isnt worth the reward. Dont get me wrong if you have desirable letters they are definately worth regging but many people are buying up qvzx names that i just dont see a demand for. I suspect some new domainers are gonna lose everything, but only time will tell and I could be completely wrong and LLLL might skyrocket

 

[italiandragon]

I guess I am one of the few domainers that just dont get the LLLL craze, dont get me wrong i have a few but they mean something and get traffic, and i do beleive after all are registered you might be able to sell non desirable names for twiice reg fee, but i see domainers regging hundreds of names and if they arent making money parked then just to break even if you had 500 names you would have to sell half of them in first year at twice reg fee. Just to break even. lets say you sell them at 5 times reg fee that means with 500 names you would have to sell 100 a year as break even point.
to me the risk isnt worth the reward. Dont get me wrong if you have desirable letters they are definately worth regging but many people are buying up qvzx names that i just dont see a demand for. I suspect some new domainers are gonna lose everything, but only time will tell and I could be completely wrong and LLLL might skyrocket

that`s because you don`t understand these stats:

http://www.internetworldstats.com/top20.htm

scroll down and read the internet penetration of China , India , Brasil , Pakistan, Nigeria and others.

In few years when those countries will catch up on the rest of the world.....it will be pretty hot here!

 

[jacal1]

I guess I am one of the few domainers that just dont get the LLLL craze...many people are buying up qvzx names that i just dont see a demand for. I suspect some new domainers are gonna lose everything...

A buyout of all the LLLLs is in the best interest of people with good quality LLLLs because the value of those will go up (in real estate, prices go up the minute there is no land left in an area, even if the last few purchases were swampland. This doesn't mean you can easily flip the swampland).

I have to agree that the remaining LLLLs may not be worth reg plus some reasonable return in a few years. We can convince ourselves of anything on these boards, but ultimately end user sales will drive value and I don't see end users having a use for LLLLs with 2+ letters with very few acronym possibilities.

Again, and sorry to be a broken record, there are thousands of domainers and thousands more investors/business people with advisors who know about doamains, who have deep enough pockets to have bought out the remaining already if the return was looking like even 20% plus reg fees. They haven't. There's a reason.

Sorry - again I hope to be wrong if it brings NPers $$$$.

 

[floatingworld]

It doesn't work that way. I am reminded of the argument that all art auction prices are paid by fools because everybody else thought the item was worth less.
Somebody should list all the different arguments put up for not buying 4L domains as they reduced from 100,000 downwards to now about 10-11k. All the same word for word as 3L downward availability. As a matter of fact the circus has moved on as 4L names with good letters are fetching upward prices as their availability has moved totally to the second-hand market. We are now dealing with the remaining different shades of dark soup coloured domains left in the pot. The pros are playing in the premium market but us mere mortals can still go paddle as some names are still borderline reg fee at this moment..but the moment will eventually pass and drops won't drop and the anti-brigade will have to move on to something else to whinge about. Thank goodness they were not playing during the last 18 months: more for those of us who did. When you miss the bus don't criticise the bus route.

 

[italiandragon]

Dragon, this seems sort of sick, and considering its a pic of a funeral and its under a quote by me, I'd really appreciate an explanation.

I thought it was obvious but..... maybe you don`t have any creativity.

It seems to be that you and a couple of other post in this thread with such negativity that it seems a funeral.

 

[fatter]

It doesn't work that way. I am reminded of the argument that all art auction prices are paid by fools because everybody else thought the item was worth less.
Somebody should list all the different arguments put up for not buying 4L domains as they reduced from 100,000 downwards to now about 10-11k. All the same word for word as 3L downward availability. As a matter of fact the circus has moved on as 4L names with good letters are fetching upward prices as their availability has moved totally to the second-hand market. We are now dealing with the remaining different shades of dark soup coloured domains left in the pot. The pros are playing in the premium market but us mere mortals can still go paddle as some names are still borderline reg fee at this moment..but the moment will eventually pass and drops won't drop and the anti-brigade will have to move on to something else to whinge about. Thank goodness they were not playing during the last 18 months: more for those of us who did. When you miss the bus don't criticise the bus route.

I am not one of the anti LLLL domainers in fact I have some all of which make me income, I just have a concern that many new domainers are spending a big dollar amount on names that may or may not sell in the near future. I dont think LLL can be compared with LLLL because 1. the amount of possible names and 2. the end user appeal. I can remmember a LLL and return to the site, whereas unless the LLLL has a memorability factor built in I just couldnt remmeber the site if i heard it on the raidio. mmmp.com,toto.com vvww.com, prpr.com would be great names and i would reg them if available but I think it is like comparing apples and oranges when stacked up with names like qvsx.com I think many people who have been domaining for a while have some great llll names and will mostly see a good profit in the near future

 

[jacal1]

Floating, I don't whine. But I am sick of some (not all!) of you LLLLers being closed minded and sometimes downright nasty to people who post differing opinions. Maybe some (again not all) of you should go develop your own forum where you can tell each other that you're on the verge of being rich from LLLLs, and that every LLLL is going to worth a ton someday, and you can ban anyone who has a different opinion, well-reasoned or not. Different opinions are healthy here, nastiness makes no sense. I am extremely happy with my portfolio, and the premium LLLLs with no bad letters that I have, including 2 dictionary words and one acronym for a very popular product. If I wanted to be selfish, its in my best interest for them to sell out too I guess.

 

[-REECE-]

There still are LLLL.com gems out there.. I'm sure!

I regged ZKFI.com on October 6, parked it on Sedo on the night of the 7th. We're now noon on the 10th here and I've already received 69 uniques Nothing quite like getting 600 monthly uniques (averaging it out) for $6.49 :tu:

And some people said there were no good LLLL.coms left :lol:

 

[jacal1]

I thought it was obvious but..... maybe you don`t have any creativity.

It seems to be that you and a couple of other post in this thread with such negativity that it seems a funeral.

Thanks for the explanation. I certainly accept that. Please note that until my very last one where I was truly fed up my posts were negative about the value of LLLLs but in no way negative toward the people who buy them. I don;t think there is anything wrong with that. I'd pay to have people like Spade, Reece, and others tear apart my domaining strategy. I might disagree, but I'm sure the opposite views would help.

 

[italiandragon]

Floating, I don't whine. But I am sick of some (not all!) of you LLLLers being closed minded and sometimes downright nasty to people who post differing opinions. Maybe some (again not all) of you should go develop your own forum where you can tell each other that you're on the verge of being rich from LLLLs, and that every LLLL is going to worth a ton someday, and you can ban anyone who has a different opinion, well-reasoned or not. Different opinions are healthy here, nastiness and even possible threats (?) make no sense. I am extremely happy with my portfolio, and the premium LLLLs with no bad letters that I have, including 2 dictionary words and one acronym for a very popular product. If I wanted to be selfish, its in my best interest for them to sell out too I guess.

threats? are you kidding me? man take it easy.....you can`t take a joke to your continuing negativity?

It`s depressing to read your posts, it`s not that I don`t respect different opinions but it seems that you don`t see the REALITY.

Here , I`ll show it to you:

http://dyyo.com/analysis_remaining.php

 

[fatter]

There still are LLLL.com gems out there.. I'm sure!

I regged ZKFI.com on October 6, parked it on Sedo on the night of the 7th. We're now noon on the 10th here and I've already received 69 uniques Nothing quite like getting 600 monthly uniques (averaging it out) for $6.49 :tu:

And some people said there were no good LLLL.coms left :lol:

Congrats there as example of a great LLLL name I would suspect it is an acronim or radio station. One good thing going for LLLL is there are new radio stations that actually like some of those letters

 

[jacal1]

Yes Dragon you are right. Its just reality. Silly of anyone to disagree. Why even have the debate. Its like debating the sky being blue.

Sorry also that a pic of a casket under a quote with my name attached made me nervous.

Sorry to be "negative". From now on I will only post when I agree with the OP. We'll learn a lot around here by agreeing with each other all the time.

And by the way, your negativity toward those who disagree is much more intense than any negativity I showed.

 

[italiandragon]

Yes Dragon you are right. Its just reality. Silly of anyone to disagree. Why even have the debate. Its like debating the sky being blue.

Sorry also that a pic of a casket under a quote with my name attached made me nervous.

Sorry to be "negative". From now on I will only post when I agree with the OP. We'll learn a lot around here by agreeing with each other all the time.

And by the way, your negativity toward those who disagree is much more intense than any negativity I showed.

ehm.....

 

[bro]

I just heard LLLL containing one z has become more valuable in the reseller market , cool
I am having too much fun in this LLLL game

cheers

 

[-REECE-]

I just heard LLLL containing one z has become more valuable in the reseller market , cool
I am having too much fun in this LLLL game

cheers

I have like 100 of those :tu: Cool indeed :sold: