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Which NamePros "Like" system do you prefer?

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  • OLD | Likes: Name A, Name B, Name C, Name D, Name E

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    75.0%
  • NEW | Likes: Name A, Name B and 3 others

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    12.5%
  • BOTH | Both are good

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    8.3%
  • Like, I'm more likely to lick a lollipop then like a Like poll

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    4.2%
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Ategy

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I've noticed a change in how NamePros displays "Likes" at the bottom of each post.

Now instead of showing (the sometimes long list of) each person who liked a post, the list now gets super trimmed to:

Likes: Name A, Name B and # other(s).
(Where # is the total number of likes minus 2)

I kinda liked it the old way. Not only was it helpful in getting (sometimes) quality posts to stand out, but like, it was also just plain fun!

PS .. Like this post is you liked likes the old way
PSS .. Also like this post if you like likes the new way
PSSS .. Thank this post if you're not likely to like it
PSSSS .. VOTE!
PSSSSS .. Like .. Enjoy this ...


@Support Team .. Is this change permanent or just a test?
 
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I like likes,
I like polls,
I like polls about likes,
I like polls about liking likes,
I like liking polls about likes
I like liking polls about liking likes
 
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I like likes, I like polls,
I like polls about likes, I like polls about liking likes, I like liking polls about likes, I like liking polls about liking likes

Like I hope it's not likely that you like licking polls in winter!
 
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Not sure how I feel. By clicking on the plus x more you can see a nice detailed list of who liked it including when they liked it. Sometimes this is helpful to know when new information comes forward.
Bob
 
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I like likes,
I like polls,
I like polls about likes,
I like polls about liking likes,
I like liking polls about likes
I like liking polls about liking likes
Do you like "big butts"...sorry couldn't resist.

Back to topic..since I am on FB a lot, the change didn't surprise me.

@Ategy.com wish there was a "totally neutral" option in the poll
 
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We're not quite done with the design yet. Maybe. We're not sure. We figured we'd deploy it and get feedback, since we're a little torn about the best way to display the information without either cluttering the bottom of the post even more or having a lot of redundancy.

This is a step toward our goal of providing the necessary tools for self-moderation. (Edit: Apparently I was wrong about this.) Our current moderation system doesn't scale, and we're quickly outgrowing it. We'd like to be able to eventually promote or demote posts based on consensus. Right now, our moderators spend a lot of time handling issues that could easily be sorted out by a consensus-based system, but we really need to reserve their time for handling issues with less obvious solutions.

Of course, we don't want such a system to result in censorship of unpopular opinions or other forms of abuse, which is why we're rolling out the components very slowly and experimenting as we go. It's a delicate matter, and we intend to treat it as such.

There's definitely going to be some change to how we display post reactions going forward, as we want to convey whether there is a consensus on the quality and relevance of a post. If you have suggestions about how we can best do this, please let us know.
 
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Thanks for the background an plan information @Paul Buonopane. The more I reflect on it the more I see value in the new way. I think being able to see at a glance the number in each category is useful, and as I commented above, I see huge value that you can click on the link and have the full list displayed along with information on when the like was offered (relevant when new information has come forward) and also get a little snapshot of the people who have liked a topic.

Thanks for the efforts you and others are working hard on to make NamePros even better!

Bob
 
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Not only was it helpful in getting (sometimes) quality posts to stand out, but like, it was also just plain fun!
Agreed! However, when there are 3 pages full of reactions that you have to scroll through on some posts, it's time to start collapsing.

We're still working on it, but the collapsing is permanent.
 
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Just a thought:

Reactions: Likes (2) | Thanks (5) | Dislikes (1) | All (8)

If no reactions in some categories, it could either show:

Reactions: Likes (3)

Where no other categories are show if there were no reactions in the category and "All" does not show if it's just 1 category.

or

Reactions: Likes (5) | Thanks (1) | Dislikes (0) | All (6)

Where "0" displays on reaction categories with none.

Clicking a category of reactions shows just the ones selected to be shown. That way it's not all under a single "Reaction link" and members can select what they want to see (Specific or all together)?

Personally, I think showing 100 to 500 reaction usernames under every post is a bit excessive and potentially slows page load limes.
 
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Personally, I think showing 100 to 500 reaction usernames under every post is a bit excessive and potentially slows page load limes.

I also think it's going to produce a lot less likes overall. Just a sneaky suspicion I have about the psychology of group think or bandwagon jumping as us old schoolers used to call it!

I myself am guilty many times of reading through a thread response too quickly only to go back and spend more time on a heavily liked post as it usually means there is some quality information included. I don't think many people will use the lower right hand corner "like count" as much to really absorb popular posts! Just my opinion!
 
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The old way is more personal, and stimulating. It feels a bit more community-oriented, seeing all names grouped. It adds a sense of pride, ownership and togetherness.

This new way is more standoff-ish. It looks does not look as appealing, visually, to me. Because there's too many separating factors- you've got the unnecessary words "and" "other" in there, plus numerical characters now too. Looks discombobulated.

I understand the need to create a more efficient system, though. The community is huge. I can get used to the change.
 
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What does everyone think about a color system that will help the most liked posts stand out more (Yellow bar for 11-30 likes, Orange for 31-60 likes, Red for 61+)?

Or other ideas to make posts with a lot of likes more noticeable?
 
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This is a step toward our goal of providing the necessary tools for self-moderation.
Before I start on my usual rambling .. note that I've started a separate thread on the "self-moderation" thing .. because quite frankly .. it's a completely different discussion in of itself .. lol:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/namepros-moderation-and-self-moderation-what-the.1152066/

That being said .. you shouldn't even be considering using likes for any part of moderation simply because of the multitude of reasons and vastly inconsistent reasons likes/thanks/dislikes are given in the first place. Particularly dislikes .. are they given because someone doesn't agree with a post .. or because someone thinks the post in actually inappropriate .. or because someone clicked on it by mistake .. or because someone is holding a grudge against the person and just dislikes for no tangible reason? The fact is that they should be given for the first option .. but it's often the other three .. either way there is no consistency and ZERO reliability in terms of using it for actual moderation.

Look at @Vito's post here ... why did @domainventure not like it? If it's because he didn't like the domains then that's a "disagreement" .. but certainly no grounds for attributing any negative moderation consideration (I'm assuming even he would agree).

Of course you'll say we won't base automated decisions on a single dislike .. but what if 3 other people disliked the post for differing (or the same) reasons .. now all of sudden you've set up a system where @Vito has every right to be upset with @domainventure as being part of the decision .. when in fact @domainventure (likely) had NOTHING against the fact @Vito posted what he did .. simply that he didn't like the names (even if I think there were good .. lol) .. but you get the point .. nothing about the dislike had anything to do with what effectively should be related to moderation.

The irony with using likes for moderation is that you're creating a system from which grudges and clans will develop .. you'll end up with even more misuse of the like system than you have now and in the end the irony will be that you'll be able to rely on it even less for moderation purposes will need to step in to disagreements significantly more than today.


Personally, I think showing 100 to 500 reaction usernames under every post is a bit excessive and potentially slows page load limes.
Come on Eric .. seriously ;) .. what percentage of posts have 100+ reactions? Certainly far less than 1/1000. More importantly .. the majority of posts that do have 100+ are usually (not always) epic posts that likely merit the extra kerfuffle!


I also think it's going to produce a lot less likes overall. Just a sneaky suspicion I have about the psychology of group think or bandwagon jumping as us old schoolers used to call it!
Definitely ... This more than anything else is why I don't think you should change it superficially. You will lose likes .. and in turn .. community stickiness.

I personally want people who I like and thank to be aware that I thanked them .. that's kinda the point. While some might do it at first, I think after a while very few will actually open the "+ # others" link.


This is a step toward our goal of providing the necessary tools for self-moderation. Our current moderation system doesn't scale, and we're quickly outgrowing it.
But how likes are displayed has zero relevance with moderation (in fact, as I've pointed out in the past, likes aren't even used consistently, so even using likes as a basis for moderation is a flawed concept).

Even if you were to use likes as some sort of crazy basis for moderation .. why does the way likes are displayed have to change at all? They don't. Keeping likes displayed as they always have been shouldn't in any way stop you from (in my opinion wrongfully) using them as the basis for moderation.
 
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There's definitely going to be some change to how we display post reactions going forward, as we want to convey whether there is a consensus on the quality and relevance of a post. If you have suggestions about how we can best do this, please let us know.
What does everyone think about a color system that will help the most liked posts stand out more (Yellow bar for 11-30 likes, Orange for 31-60 likes, Red for 61+)? Or other ideas to make posts with a lot of likes more noticeable?

What I'm having a VERY hard time understanding is why would you even want to do that? The whole point of most threads and what you should want to encourage, is that we should want people to read EVERY POST before continuing and participating in the conversation. Think about it .. do you really want to encourage members to only read certain posts in a discussion? There are soooooo many reasons why that is a profoundly bad idea.

There are a handful and VAST minority of threads where something like this could be ok. One of the very exceptional rare threads like my daily lists, or one of the domain acquisition threads with thousands of effectively separate posts .. where SPECIFICALLY the thread is not a continuous discussion. But those represent such a small portion of forum threads that it makes no sense to change everything just for that tiny minority of threads!


Speaking of my daily lists .. I can say with absolute certainty that no posts* have had more time/effort behind them and they are are among the most useful, industry-centric and on-topic posts on NamePros .. yet because of their length, of the 100+ members who view them every day, often none click like or thanks. But then look at the meet and greet section .. there are literally thousands of posts of 1 to three words with 10+ likes ... you're going to feature those over my daily lists? C'Mon .. seriously?
* Now that I think about it .. the possible exception are @jberryhill's EPICLY helpful posts! :)

And if you don't think like-clans will happen .. I've got news for you .. it already is .. go back into the meet and greet section. When I post there, I almost always make an effort to make a quality welcome, with at least part of my message personal to the new member .. usually at least 3 paragraphs (Welcoming + Personalised + Wishing Luck) .. yet more often than not even 1-3 word copy/paste posts get more likes (even ones posted AFTER mine .. lol) ... and sure enough it really doesn't take very long to notice a pattern of who the click-clan is! Does it really matter? Not now (although it is kinda sad .. lol) .. but if you switch to making likes give actual tangible weight and importance to posts, then it will matter a LOT!

While I've already mentioned you should reform the Likes system (start reading here), if you actually use likes as a basis for post important weight (again a bad idea from the start) then you'll need to change it significantly.

Anyhow .. bla bla bla .. you get my points .. lol
 
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I personally want people who I like and thank to be aware that I thanked them .. that's kinda the point. While some might do it at first, I think after a while very few will actually open the "+ # others" link.

I agree with Ategy's point here. Also, this seems to give extra weight to longer-term members whose names show up first. Which makes the rest of us feel as if our opinions don't count.
I often forget whether I've 'liked' a post or not, and the new system requires me to click the 'other' link and scroll through the list to find out. That seems time-consuming and clunky.
 
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Look at @Vito's post here ... why did @domainventure not like it? If it's because he didn't like the domains then that's a "disagreement" .. but certainly no grounds for attributing any negative moderation consideration (I'm assuming even he would agree).

Of course you'll say we won't base automated decisions on a single dislike .. but what if 3 other people disliked the post for differing (or the same) reasons .. now all of sudden you've set up a system where @Vito has every right to be upset with @domainventure as being part of the decision .. when in fact @domainventure (likely) had NOTHING against the fact @Vito posted what he did .. simply that he didn't like the names (even if I think there were good .. lol) .. but you get the point .. nothing about the dislike had anything to do with what effectively should be related to moderation.

I agree.
Maybe that person just had a bad day, or enjoys trolling...lol

I haven't spent much time reading many posts here lately. Just a quick scan once in a while so to tell you the truth, I didn't even realize there was a new system of likes and dislikes until just now.

I do prefer the old system where you can see each persons name who thanked you or liked your post. Something about that just seems a bit more personal, Community-ish.

I voted for the old system.
 
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I like np

Flat or round, short or tall . I dont care
 
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It is quicker to scan who has liked a post by the old method...the extra step of clicking and then looking is making me not participate as much as normal. The same one or two members will show up (older members) so it almost not worth listing names...just give a count without identifiers. Make an area for like, dislike and how about adding a 'meh' column for those posts that qualify.
 
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Yes. , Likes count only , more button if u wanna check the list

Also YES for 'meh' button
 
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