Let's define premium letters!

[bobby9101]

I think namepros should work together to create a set of most desired letters.
For example, H is consider a premium letter, however I think that:
ebow.com
is better than
eboh.com
(both pronounced the same)
I personally am a big fan of W and U and not a big fan of F and H
Also, I think that a QU pair is great, for example:
Quib.com is a great name whereas
Fuib.com or Foib.com is not so good (pronounceability)

 

[loscocco]

"A"

 

[bobby9101]

"A"

Yes we all know that A is a great letter.
Post your letters in this format:
Most desirable
Desired
Average
Undesired

 

[rpanella]

I think namepros should work together to create a set of most desired letters.
For example, H is consider a premium letter, however I think that:
ebow.com
is better than
eboh.com
(both pronounced the same)
I personally am a big fan of W and U and not a big fan of F and H
Also, I think that a QU pair is great, for example:
Quib.com is a great name whereas
Fuib.com or Foib.com is not so good (pronounceability)

Premium letters are not necessarily as important in pronounceable names. Premium letters, as used by most people on this forum and defined on 3character.com, are usually considered to be the most common letters used to start english words, and thus are considered "premium" letters in acronym domains. If valuing a name on its pronounceaibility alone without considering acronyms, premium letters do not come into play as much.

As you said in your example, QUIB is more pronounceable to most people than FUIB. Thus, simply as a made up word probably with no acronym meaning, it might have more value. However FUIB likely has many more acronym possibilities than QUIB, and thus has more potential end-users that could use the domain as an acronym, giving it value.

It is important to remember that the notion of "premium letters" applies mainly to acronym names and not so much made up words.

 

[ssamriga]

yes, all that there is to premiums is 'how many words start with that letter' the more the better...

 

[Shenron]

Same question again...

Well, I won't get into the "other languages letter value" again, I'll I'll just leave you with:

YQRG - Can easily mean Yahoo Quick Reference Guide
Nike
Zune
...

So basically, IMHO any letter can be premium, depending on position, other letters, pronouceability and a load of other stuff.

 

[bricio]

Premium letters, as used by most people on this forum and defined on 3character.com, are usually considered to be the most common letters used to start english words, and thus are considered "premium" letters in acronym domains.

you are wrong about this
if you check in some threads here or search in the internet you will see some premium letters are not so common as "W" (this is one example, there is at least one more) and you know "W" isnt premium

like Shenron cited acronyms and pronounceable such as nike, zune, etc are the best and will have a great value in the future

 

[sdtrader]

A good example of why a letter is premium is to look at an example:

If you want a acronym for a Country Dental Association

CAD is an acronym for the dental association of the following countries:

Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus

If you were to really stretch it out it mght possibly be used for the following countries:

Cape Verde
Cayman Islands
Central African Republic
Cocos Islands
Cook Islands
Costa Rica
Côte d'Ivoire
Czech Republic

In comparison Wad cannot be easily used for any dental association unless you really stretched it out. then it could be used for two obscure cases:


Wallis and Futuna
Western Sahara

This is what makes C premium. Its ability to use it for an acronym. Both WAD and CAD are equally pronouncable, nice on the eyes, etc. But the options for their use in a url greatly differ. I would prefer CAD and would prefer the C in any possible acronym variation. This is one example but it holds true for "most", not all situations. To note one or two exceptions does not void the rule. C simply has more uses in the english language.

 

[bobby9101]

A good example of why a letter is premium is to look at an example:

If you want a acronym for a Country Dental Association

CAD is an acronym for the dental association of the following countries:

Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus

If you were to really stretch it out it mght possibly be used for the following countries:

Cape Verde
Cayman Islands
Central African Republic
Cocos Islands
Cook Islands
Costa Rica
Côte d'Ivoire
Czech Republic

In comparison Wad cannot be easily used for any dental association unless you really stretched it out. then it could be used for two obscure cases:


Wallis and Futuna
Western Sahara

This is what makes C premium. Its ability to use it for an acronym. Both WAD and CAD are equally pronouncable, nice on the eyes, etc. But the options for their use in a url greatly differ. I would prefer CAD and would prefer the C in any possible acronym variation. This is one example but it holds true for "most", not all situations. To note one or two exceptions does not void the rule. C simply has more uses in the english language.

Wyoming Dental Association. I think there are more dentist's there than cambodia

 

[sdtrader]

Wyoming Dental Association. I think there are more dentist's there than cambodia

Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus

I think there are more dentists there than in Wyoming.:hehe:

 

[Kate]

Premium depends on the language.
For example K & W are letters you will want to avoid in Spanish or Portuguese. For that reason I would not register LLL.es with these letters => bad acronyms for a local company.
If you are stuck with a name like KWK.es a local offshot of a foreign firm may be the only possible end user.

When I register LL or LLL ccTLD I study letter frequency in the local language so as to make sure I avoid the letters that are not desirable
You should also consider the combo as a whole, if it's pronouncable and/or brandable it's even better.

 

[rpanella]

you are wrong about this
if you check in some threads here or search in the internet you will see some premium letters are not so common as "W" (this is one example, there is at least one more) and you know "W" isnt premium

like Shenron cited acronyms and pronounceable such as nike, zune, etc are the best and will have a great value in the future

I think you misunderstood my post. What I was saying is the there really is nothing official about "premium" letters. They were started by 3character.com and a generally accepted as ABCDEFGHILMNOPRST by most domainers. Whether these are the "true" premium letters does not matter for this argument.

No matter what letters you personally consider premium, the definition of a "premium" letter is one that appears most commonly in acronyms. For different languages or even different domainers, these premium letters can be different, but the meaning of premium is still the same.

This is why, as I said in my original post, when it comes to pronounceable names (that are not used as an acronym) premium letters do not really apply. I would take ZUNE over HUNE any day if I were to launch a new product and needed a catchy name. However HUNE likely has more acronyms due to H being more premium than Z.

 

[Ja$on]

For me:

Super Premium:A,E,I,O,R,S,T

Premium:B,C,D,F,G,H,L,M,N,P

Ok:J,K,X,Y

Bad:Q,U,V,W,Z

Clearly a bad letter can be super premium if in the right place.

 

[bobby9101]

For me:

Super Premium:A,E,I,O,R,S,T

Premium:B,C,D,F,G,H,L,M,N,P

Ok:J,K,X,Y

Bad:Q,U,V,W,Z

Clearly a bad letter can be super premium if in the right place.

I agree except I would personally put it.

Super Premium:A,E,I,O,R,S,T

Premium:B,C,D,F,G,H,L,M,N,P

Ok: U,W,X,Y

Bad: J,K,Q,V,Z

 

[Ja$on]

I was sort of torn on W and I like J well because my name is Jason and I can't allow that letter to be bad, lol.

 

[namenut]

Premium depends on the language.
For example K & W are letters you will want to avoid in Spanish or Portuguese. For that reason I would not register LLL.es with these letters => bad acronyms for a local company.
If you are stuck with a name like KWK.es a local offshot of a foreign firm may be the only possible end user.

When I register LL or LLL ccTLD I study letter frequency in the local language so as to make sure I avoid the letters that are not desirable
You should also consider the combo as a whole, if it's pronouncable and/or brandable it's even better.

Well said Kath ...

I have to agree here. Aside from the TLD -vs- the CCtld use I think for those countries that allow it's citizens to register dot coms .... they do so. The actual letter use differs, a bit, from country to country.

I got a cute email from a girl that let me know that in her country *the (unmentioned) domain name still had the same aaaahhh .... connotations :o

I particularly like the suggestion to do some research into other countries/languages use or verbiage. Something I have not done.

PS
" V " = Video = bad = ?

namenut

 

[rkbdomain]

Since it's clear that premium letters in one culture/language may be bad letters in another culture/language, premium letters should probably be considered as a group, i.e. as a group does an LLLL.com have all-premiums for a particular region or does it have 2 letters that are premium for westerners and 2 letters that are premiums for Asian markets, and neither markets like the other 2 letters. I think an LLLL.com which was all-premium for China should be worth more than an LLLL.com which has 2 western premium letters and two Chinese premium letters, and 2 anti-premiums for both cultures, since it is more likely to have end-user potential.

 

[loser]

Another approach could be the letter frequencies. So you could for example make this table for the english language (A = premium, E = garbage):

A: e, t, a, o, i
B: n, s, h, r, d
C: l, c, u, m, w
D: f, g, y, p, b
E: v, k, j, x, q, z

For German it would be like this:

A: e, n, i, s, r
B: a, t, d, h, u
C: l, c, g, m, o
D: w, b, f, k, z
E: p, v, (ß), j, y, x, q

I hope that helps you.

-loser

 

[namenut]

Another approach could be the letter frequencies. So you could for example make this table for the english language (A = premium, E = garbage):

A: e, t, a, o, i
B: n, s, h, r, d
C: l, c, u, m, w
D: f, g, y, p, b
E: v, k, j, x, q, z

For German it would be like this:

A: e, n, i, s, r
B: a, t, d, h, u
C: l, c, g, m, o
D: w, b, f, k, z
E: p, v, (ß), j, y, x, q

I hope that helps you.

-loser

Hey now..... I think you are on to something here. This should be expounded?

namenut

 

[rpanella]

Another approach could be the letter frequencies. So you could for example make this table for the english language (A = premium, E = garbage):

A: e, t, a, o, i
B: n, s, h, r, d
C: l, c, u, m, w
D: f, g, y, p, b
E: v, k, j, x, q, z

For German it would be like this:

A: e, n, i, s, r
B: a, t, d, h, u
C: l, c, g, m, o
D: w, b, f, k, z
E: p, v, (ß), j, y, x, q

I hope that helps you.

-loser

It's important to note that those are overall letter frequencies at any position in the word, not just the first position.

To determine premium letters to make up acronyms, you should use the frequency of letters as the starting letter of a word only.