status-replied Mods define what names and letters are Premium

[johnn]

I have one of my for sale thread listed here as Quad Premium Letters and I just received an Alert from Mods saying that my Letters are not all Premium and they changed to Tri-Premium because V is not a Premium Letter.

Who define which Letter is Premium?

 

[AK85]

@Mod Team Alfa @Mod Team Echo @Mod Team Bravo @Mod Team Foxtrot

 

[Lord Antares]

I disagree with OP. Some letters have higher frequency as starting letters in a word, thus are (much) more likely to be used in an acronym. That's where the premium/non premium standards are derived from. It is a logically derived standard which OP disrespects.

This is interesting because when studies are done sampling English language letter frequency in practical use, the letter B is found to be used less frequently than W or Y.

http://practicalcryptography.com/cr...various-languages/english-letter-frequencies/

One could always argue that less use = scarcity of availability = more valuable. But that's the opposite of the assumption being made in determining which letters are included so....

No. We have to look at words starting with a letter, because that's what acronym (non-pronouncable, non-word) domains are. From wikipedia: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lette...rst_letters_of_a_word_in_the_English_language), ''V'' is a rarely used letter, used 0.82% of the time in texts, which is bad, compared to better letters. I'm, however, surprised at how badly A does and how well W does.

However, even though I believe OP is wrong, I believe there is a point to be raised here.

What about when people call 4Ls like GHQO.com pronounceable? What about when they call shitty domain like tufflife.bet premium? Why aren't these same standards enforced?

I don't condone what OP is doing, but why is only he being punished and not the countless others who are doing the same thing? The word "pronounceable" has lost value on this forum because of these people.

 

[Echo Mod Team]

What about when people call 4Ls like GHQO.com pronounceable? What about when they call shitty domain like tufflife.bet premium? Why aren't these same standards enforced?

Please use the report feature on any listings that clearly mislead, misinform, or deceive potential buyers in the marketplace, as well as listings that make claims with no supporting proof, as outlined in the rules. It's one thing to voice an opinion in a discussion forum (allowed) and another thing to deceive or misinform a potential buyer in a binding marketplace sales listing to artificially/falsely inflate the price (Not allowed).

If it's not reported, chances are a moderator is not aware of it, as moderator teams do not actively go looking for minor rule violations and rely on members to report such concerns to bring them to our attention.

In some cases, the listings in violation are simply because the seller is new and was unaware or that the seller failed to read the rules. In other cases, sellers deliberately violated the rules to take advantage of uninformed buyers by using false claims. Each case is investigated independently from one another to determine the seriousness and intent of the offense.

We hope that helps.

 

[Lord Antares]

Please use the report feature on any listings that clearly mislead, misinform, or deceive potential buyers in the marketplace, as well as listings that make claims with no supporting proof, as outlined in the rules. It's one thing to voice an opinion in a discussion forum (allowed) and another thing to deceive or misinform a potential buyer in a binding marketplace sales listing to artificially/falsely inflate the price (Not allowed).

If it's not reported, chances are a moderator is not aware of it, as moderator teams do not actively go looking for minor rule violations and rely on members to report such concerns to bring them to our attention.

In some cases, the listings in violation are simply because the seller is new and was unaware or that the seller failed to read the rules. In other cases, sellers deliberately violated the rules to take advantage of uninformed buyers by using false claims. Each case is investigated independently from one another to determine the seriousness and intent of the offense.

We hope that helps.

So John's post was reported? I find it hard to believe that you've never seen anyone misuse the ''pronounceable'' adjective. It reminds me of how you've never seen a single offensive avatar until Elad's was reported. Almost everyone misused the word ''pronounceable'' a few months back.

Again, I'm on your side here but I think the rules are being enforced inconsistently. After all, I thought mods checked marketplace listings.

 

[Echo Mod Team]

So John's post was reported?

Correct, the report was referenced in our first reply.

I find it hard to believe that you've never seen anyone misuse the ''pronounceable'' adjective.

The majority of moderators are working on assigned/scheduled tasks throughout the day, in addition to conducting active investigations, handling reports, managing moderation queries, etc... Misspellings, pronunciation, avatars, etc. is not as high on the list of moderator priorities and why most may not be seen by a moderator.

Again, If it's not reported, chances are a moderator is not aware of it, as moderator teams do not actively go looking for minor rule violations and rely on members to report such concerns to bring them to our attention.

We hope that helps explain a bit better.

If you come across a rule violation, please take a few seconds to use the report feature so a moderator is made aware and can investigate further.

 

[Bravo Mod Team]

So moderators should stay out of this

Agreed (in most cases).

For a little background on the relevant rule:

Rule 6.1.28 was recently updated in an attempt to protect members from misrepresentation and false claims:

• https://www.namepros.com/threads/complaint-about-a-guarantee.1196086/

We, as moderators, have to decide when we believe applying that rule will be helpful versus an unnecessary hindrance. In the case of a commonly-misused word like "premium," that becomes even more difficult to decide.

Fortunately, after discussing this internally, we've decided to focus on applying the rule to more blatant cases, such as "guaranteed profit" claims. We'll let buyers and sellers decide the rest and do their own due diligence.

We hope that helps.

 

[Zilla]

interesting reading and debate, no matter how u guys define letters, every name just unique, I am a fan on letter "V", famous Brand like VIVO, Volvo, Visa, LOUIS VUITTON using letter V , in various industry, Phone, Car, Finance, Fashion/Luxury....

for me, letter V is one of the most Brandable letter (while it in right place and combined with other letters well)

also, letter "Z" is another lovely one.(for me)

 

[Peak.Domains]

It's possible for two things to be true at the same time.

It's possible for "V" to not be widely considered as premium letter because it appears less frequently than premium letters, and for a premium name to have the letter "V". These things can both be true.

These aren't mutually exclusive. I don't know what point people are trying to make by listing brands that use the letter V. Nobody said that names with the letter V are worthless, what a strange strawman for everyone to harp on.

The same way that every name containing a premium letter isn't necessarily a premium name. Just because Louis Vuitton exists, that doesn't mean that V is suddenly a more commonly used letter.

A name can, in fact, have nothing but premium letters and still be a bad name. Just like a premium name can contain non-premium letters. But in the context of a 4L, it's misleading to say each of those letters are premium when only 3/4 are considered premium letters. Words have meanings, and if everything is premium, then nothing is premium.

FGHLMLMHLMHBCBDLFM.com is not a premium name. Makes sense now, yes?

Some of these responses are so incredibly hyperbolic that I have to wonder if they're missing the point on purpose for fun and sport, or genuinely just confused.

 

[Zilla]

Just aware this is a post 6 months ago... Why and how I been here...

 

[lock]

Great then deception includes entire IDN market.