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I'm not sure what everyone has been doing with their websites, irregardless if it's a .mobi or not, but I have emersed myself in the mobile world. Instead of getting news off the PC web, I've forced myself (ok not really) to "surf" the mobile web. Every store I go into now, I look to see if the store has a working "mobile" site. I've been getting the weather and sports off my mobile as well...

I figured by doing this, I would fast forward myself into the future, when everyone will be accessing info from their mobile. I'm in the process of developing several .com mobile sites. They are MUCH easier to develop then a regular site (let me tell you). NOTE: With my .com sites, I've developed an ICON which will appear next to the URL in all adverts. This will let the user know my site is MOBILE ONLY. It's like having mobi as an extension, but not really.

What have I learned.

1) The most important thing to understand about the mobile internet is that it's not made to surf, like you would the PC internet. So when you design keep this in mind. It's a bit comical to say the least to see these new browsers come to market--those that let you "surf" the regular net!!--lol. (You would only understand how stupid this is if you use a mobile device on a regular basis. There are some things that were just made for each other and WAP sites coupled with the Mobile Device was meant for each other. BIG reason is we don't like to change and we don't want to have to "work" to get things.

2) I don't like scrolling a lot. On my .com sites I use the "accesskey" tag in my html so all a person has to do is hit the corresponding number key to activate that particular hyperlink. If Apple (Safari) and Microsoft (Deepfish) thinks I'm going to "scroll" to zoom in to read an article on a small device, they have a rude awakening. Hey, I'll do it once, maybe twice, but if I want to really surf the net, I'll do it on a laptop or PC thank you. I read the news on the way to work while driving or even walking so "zooming" in to see something is out of the question.

3 Content is important. Right now, I could care a less about name brand site names. If you have content I want (mostly technology related). I will make your site a favorite. It will stay at the top, ready to be clicked on.

4) Fresh content. Importante (impoor-tant-teh). Nothing I hate worse than old content on a mobile site. I'll remember you wasted my time and will generally not return.

5) I still haven't to this day, signed up to become a member of a site via my mobile device. Too much time involved there. I will however click-to-call to buy something, If and when I know for damn sure I'm not being charged $10 a minute to buy something. This is why I would suggest staying away from the click to call methods on your site for now. The best one I like was a link to verizon. All I had to do was click on a link to order a subscription. They would add the subcription to my bill

6) I think the killer app on the mobile phone will be the "easy pay" button, thingamajig. PayPal will no doubt come up with an easy way to order things via your mobile phone. They have the technology (big in Japan/China) to make this happen so it's only a matter of time.

7) It's not 1996, it's more like 1994. That means we are still about 2 to 3 years away before mass adoption, especially in the United States. The mobile web experience and content will get better as we progress

8) Don't do what everyone else is doing unless you have something compelling for people to come to. It doesn't have to be snazzy or media rich. Just doing something. TO be honest, I think Gimmicky could actually work right now. NOTE: It's a lot easier to create free buzz right now on the mobile web vs the PC web since there are less parties involved. One of the ideas I have on the backburner is to create a "virtual" band site. The name of the band will be called, "xxxxxx" ---As you would guess there will be stuff for sale on the site, etc. Just need some volunteers to come up with the "sound" for "xxxxxx".

9) The more I use the mobile web to get/access info, the less I spend "surfing" the PC web. This is really going to hit the Domainer community--those involved in PPC sites. Now I don't represent 2 billion phone users, but I can say once I read something, I'll be damned if I read it again on another platform. Yes, the internet TV is coming on board, but that is a whole different duck. People are going to be careful in there searches on such a public platform. Every market needs to take note of "sea changes", and I'm stating for the record, that the domainer community should take note

10. Last but not least. The more I use the mobile net the more I'd be open to advertisements. I prefer solid color banner ads (top of screen). If the color is soft, I'm all for it. If we start seeing obnoxious ads (anything bright yellow or pink) I think that website would be blacklisted. Have I clicked on any ads yet? Yes, and the only ones are the ones that provide a service that I might be interested in. Subscriptions I think are going to be huge.


Hope that sheds some liight on things.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. As soon as I get out of my 2 year plan and get a better phone & connectivity I will adopt your mainly mobile lifestyle.

I couldn't agree with you more about easy pay features being the killer app. It's here right now a little bit but when I can click a few keys to reserve my flight or hotel room then things will get very interesting.

Can you explain more about your concern regarding being charged for click-to-call? Are some set up like 900 numbers?
 
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scandiman said:
Can you explain more about your concern regarding being charged for click-to-call? Are some set up like 900 numbers?

Nothing concrete that I've heard or experienced, but when I see 866 or 877 number the "old" part of my brain kicks in (the cynic in me) to avoid the number at all costs unless it's a number to one of the big companies, like Microsoft, etc. If I never heard of you which is the case with 99.5% of the mobile sites out there, I'm going to be a little hesitant of making a "click-to-call" purchase. I'm sure though in time, safety features will make it "safe".
 
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Great post! As a developer I do appreciate your info on mobile web experience, it really helps when I design a mobile site.
 
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As a developer i find it odd that you say developing for mobile devices is easier than developing for standard browsers. I find it the complete opposite as every step you take you must consider the tiny screen size and how the total overall access to the website is seen on such a device. Developing for standard browsers you just have to consider that lousy thing called Internet Explorer... But alas - your information is great and thanks for posting it!
 
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whitebark said:
As a developer i find it odd that you say developing for mobile devices is easier than developing for standard browsers. I find it the complete opposite as every step you take you must consider the tiny screen size and how the total overall access to the website is seen on such a device. Developing for standard browsers you just have to consider that lousy thing called Internet Explorer... But alas - your information is great and thanks for posting it!

The emulator's are the best tool to check screen sizes. I stick to pretty much the same font, and all my sites have the same layout. What I focus on is ease of navigation hence the use of the "accesskey" code. With mobile sites, at least for now, I'm not having to "wow" the visitor with a bunch of slick looking pictures; design. I figure I will do that when I get them the info or service they need on the fly. That's the cool part, as I said, it's like it's 1994.
 
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I do not use mobile devices at all and I have a hard time understanding how they are used. Do you read content, at length? I was assuming one short paragraph was a lot for a "page", but you said you liked Tech content, and that is not light reading. More specifically, in a catalog of things for sale, how much information should be provided?
 
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izo-pod said:
I'm not sure what everyone has been doing with their websites, irregardless if it's a .mobi or not, but I have emersed myself in the mobile world. Instead of getting news off the PC web, I've forced myself (ok not really) to "surf" the mobile web. Every store I go into now, I look to see if the store has a working "mobile" site. I've been getting the weather and sports off my mobile as well...

I figured by doing this, I would fast forward myself into the future, when everyone will be accessing info from their mobile. I'm in the process of developing several .com mobile sites. They are MUCH easier to develop then a regular site (let me tell you). NOTE: With my .com sites, I've developed an ICON which will appear next to the URL in all adverts. This will let the user know my site is MOBILE ONLY. It's like having mobi as an extension, but not really.

What have I learned.

1) The most important thing to understand about the mobile internet is that it's not made to surf, like you would the PC internet. So when you design keep this in mind. It's a bit comical to say the least to see these new browsers come to market--those that let you "surf" the regular net!!--lol. (You would only understand how stupid this is if you use a mobile device on a regular basis. There are some things that were just made for each other and WAP sites coupled with the Mobile Device was meant for each other. BIG reason is we don't like to change and we don't want to have to "work" to get things.

2) I don't like scrolling a lot. On my .com sites I use the "accesskey" tag in my html so all a person has to do is hit the corresponding number key to activate that particular hyperlink. If Apple (Safari) and Microsoft (Deepfish) thinks I'm going to "scroll" to zoom in to read an article on a small device, they have a rude awakening. Hey, I'll do it once, maybe twice, but if I want to really surf the net, I'll do it on a laptop or PC thank you. I read the news on the way to work while driving or even walking so "zooming" in to see something is out of the question.

3 Content is important. Right now, I could care a less about name brand site names. If you have content I want (mostly technology related). I will make your site a favorite. It will stay at the top, ready to be clicked on.

4) Fresh content. Importante (impoor-tant-teh). Nothing I hate worse than old content on a mobile site. I'll remember you wasted my time and will generally not return.

5) I still haven't to this day, signed up to become a member of a site via my mobile device. Too much time involved there. I will however click-to-call to buy something, If and when I know for damn sure I'm not being charged $10 a minute to buy something. This is why I would suggest staying away from the click to call methods on your site for now. The best one I like was a link to verizon. All I had to do was click on a link to order a subscription. They would add the subcription to my bill

6) I think the killer app on the mobile phone will be the "easy pay" button, thingamajig. PayPal will no doubt come up with an easy way to order things via your mobile phone. They have the technology (big in Japan/China) to make this happen so it's only a matter of time.

7) It's not 1996, it's more like 1994. That means we are still about 2 to 3 years away before mass adoption, especially in the United States. The mobile web experience and content will get better as we progress

8) Don't do what everyone else is doing unless you have something compelling for people to come to. It doesn't have to be snazzy or media rich. Just doing something. TO be honest, I think Gimmicky could actually work right now. NOTE: It's a lot easier to create free buzz right now on the mobile web vs the PC web since there are less parties involved. One of the ideas I have on the backburner is to create a "virtual" band site. The name of the band will be called, "xxxxxx" ---As you would guess there will be stuff for sale on the site, etc. Just need some volunteers to come up with the "sound" for "xxxxxx".

9) The more I use the mobile web to get/access info, the less I spend "surfing" the PC web. This is really going to hit the Domainer community--those involved in PPC sites. Now I don't represent 2 billion phone users, but I can say once I read something, I'll be damned if I read it again on another platform. Yes, the internet TV is coming on board, but that is a whole different duck. People are going to be careful in there searches on such a public platform. Every market needs to take note of "sea changes", and I'm stating for the record, that the domainer community should take note

10. Last but not least. The more I use the mobile net the more I'd be open to advertisements. I prefer solid color banner ads (top of screen). If the color is soft, I'm all for it. If we start seeing obnoxious ads (anything bright yellow or pink) I think that website would be blacklisted. Have I clicked on any ads yet? Yes, and the only ones are the ones that provide a service that I might be interested in. Subscriptions I think are going to be huge.


Hope that sheds some liight on things.

Compliments for this post;

This is useful information :wave:
 
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izo-pod said:
I'm not sure what everyone has been doing with their websites, irregardless if it's a .mobi or not, but I have emersed myself in the mobile world. Instead of getting news off the PC web, I've forced myself (ok not really) to "surf" the mobile web. Every store I go into now, I look to see if the store has a working "mobile" site. I've been getting the weather and sports off my mobile as well...

I figured by doing this, I would fast forward myself into the future, when everyone will be accessing info from their mobile. I'm in the process of developing several .com mobile sites. They are MUCH easier to develop then a regular site (let me tell you). NOTE: With my .com sites, I've developed an ICON which will appear next to the URL in all adverts. This will let the user know my site is MOBILE ONLY. It's like having mobi as an extension, but not really.

What have I learned.

1) The most important thing to understand about the mobile internet is that it's not made to surf, like you would the PC internet. So when you design keep this in mind. It's a bit comical to say the least to see these new browsers come to market--those that let you "surf" the regular net!!--lol. (You would only understand how stupid this is if you use a mobile device on a regular basis. There are some things that were just made for each other and WAP sites coupled with the Mobile Device was meant for each other. BIG reason is we don't like to change and we don't want to have to "work" to get things.

2) I don't like scrolling a lot. On my .com sites I use the "accesskey" tag in my html so all a person has to do is hit the corresponding number key to activate that particular hyperlink. If Apple (Safari) and Microsoft (Deepfish) thinks I'm going to "scroll" to zoom in to read an article on a small device, they have a rude awakening. Hey, I'll do it once, maybe twice, but if I want to really surf the net, I'll do it on a laptop or PC thank you. I read the news on the way to work while driving or even walking so "zooming" in to see something is out of the question.

3 Content is important. Right now, I could care a less about name brand site names. If you have content I want (mostly technology related). I will make your site a favorite. It will stay at the top, ready to be clicked on.

4) Fresh content. Importante (impoor-tant-teh). Nothing I hate worse than old content on a mobile site. I'll remember you wasted my time and will generally not return.

5) I still haven't to this day, signed up to become a member of a site via my mobile device. Too much time involved there. I will however click-to-call to buy something, If and when I know for damn sure I'm not being charged $10 a minute to buy something. This is why I would suggest staying away from the click to call methods on your site for now. The best one I like was a link to verizon. All I had to do was click on a link to order a subscription. They would add the subcription to my bill

6) I think the killer app on the mobile phone will be the "easy pay" button, thingamajig. PayPal will no doubt come up with an easy way to order things via your mobile phone. They have the technology (big in Japan/China) to make this happen so it's only a matter of time.

7) It's not 1996, it's more like 1994. That means we are still about 2 to 3 years away before mass adoption, especially in the United States. The mobile web experience and content will get better as we progress

8) Don't do what everyone else is doing unless you have something compelling for people to come to. It doesn't have to be snazzy or media rich. Just doing something. TO be honest, I think Gimmicky could actually work right now. NOTE: It's a lot easier to create free buzz right now on the mobile web vs the PC web since there are less parties involved. One of the ideas I have on the backburner is to create a "virtual" band site. The name of the band will be called, "xxxxxx" ---As you would guess there will be stuff for sale on the site, etc. Just need some volunteers to come up with the "sound" for "xxxxxx".

9) The more I use the mobile web to get/access info, the less I spend "surfing" the PC web. This is really going to hit the Domainer community--those involved in PPC sites. Now I don't represent 2 billion phone users, but I can say once I read something, I'll be damned if I read it again on another platform. Yes, the internet TV is coming on board, but that is a whole different duck. People are going to be careful in there searches on such a public platform. Every market needs to take note of "sea changes", and I'm stating for the record, that the domainer community should take note

10. Last but not least. The more I use the mobile net the more I'd be open to advertisements. I prefer solid color banner ads (top of screen). If the color is soft, I'm all for it. If we start seeing obnoxious ads (anything bright yellow or pink) I think that website would be blacklisted. Have I clicked on any ads yet? Yes, and the only ones are the ones that provide a service that I might be interested in. Subscriptions I think are going to be huge.


Hope that sheds some liight on things.

a very thought provoking post, thanks a lot B-)
 
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Just a general point -- it jams up the page to quote all of a long post. Seems to me that it would be kinder to only quote the relevant part(s), or not quote at all if you don't need to show what you are talking about. I agree, BTW, that the OP is one of the best recent .MOBI posts, and would like to see further comments.
 
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izo-pod said:
1) The most important thing to understand about the mobile internet is that it's not made to surf, like you would the PC internet.
In my opinion this is the single most important point when coming up with idea's and developing for mobile internet. There is one thing surfing on a PC or phone have in common and that's the use of the internet. Period. Other than that they are two totally different things.

When I saw the names that were being registered I thought, don't these people realize mobi isn't just another tld? Why in the world would I ever want to "mobile surf" to wwwyoutube.mobi?? (look it up, it's taken). 1. www isn't used for dotmobi and 2. Youtube is for PC's. Like I'm going to download 1GB of video's on my phone...

Dotmobi has been saying this from the start, but it seems some domainers are too caught up in their usual ritual of typo's and tld's to get it. And if you're one of them, I suggest reading this:
It Isn't About ".Com Versus .Mobi" -- If you believe that, read on...
 
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Do not always trust the emulators. You best bet is to test the device and know which browser the device is using. There are over 10 different mobile browsers out there. I test using actual mobile phones and devices. Emulators also do not take in account carrier network restrictions either.

Developing for the mobile internet is straight-forward but my advice is to keep it simple. Most carriers restrict downloading of mp3's, video files, and more. The majority also do no not allow uploads via their network from the browser. Even the phones do not allow access to the file system to find the media files you want to upload. You have to use a jar file to access the file system on most phones and then you need to support all the devices out there.

Another thing to take in account is data-usage. Most US carriers only give 500k a month for free. Your user might be upset if they get a higher bill accessing high bandwidth images and more.

Until there are standards with the mobile browsers and more mass consolidation of networks it will all be a crap-shoot as to how many phones your site will work on. I don't care if yu score a 5 of 5 at mtld. The device itself is all that matters.

Michael
 
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=)

Great post above, thanks!


Kind Regards,

Yelo
 
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