discuss .コム (VERISIGNs japanese .com) SHOWCASE / DISCUSSION THREAD on NAMEPROS

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

Dear nP members,


as you may know, the new extension .コム, which is the 'japanese pendant' of .com and which is powered by VERISIGN (.com / .net / .tv / .cc / .name / and now .コム) will turn into GA on JUN., 13., 2016

• What do you think about the .コム TLD?
• Have you registered allready a .コム domain?

I think .コム will be a 'blast' in japanese market and because of this and other reason/s I allready registered (PAPP) the following one:

コムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコムコム.コム

That's 27 times 'コム' / TLD '.コム'
27 times ‘コム’ is the maximum possible ammount of ‘コム’ in a .コム domain name
IDN: xn--tckaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa84jbabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.xn--tckwe
Not a 63.DOMAIN but a perfect 54 (IDN 63) character PREMIUM domain

 

[argoss]

Verisign has invented this Premium Pricing idea, only recently...for several years existing IDN.com owners were led to believe their matching names would be free with their existing name, or at worse a regular additional reg fee.
I'm sure their will much more to come, in regards to this issue.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

Verisign has invented this Premium Pricing idea, only recently...for several years existing IDN.com owners were led to believe their matching names would be free with their existing name, or at worse a regular additional reg fee.
I'm sure their will much more to come, in regards to this issue.

It's ecomomy.
Now in japanese.

 

[AMRO1001]

Verisign has invented this Premium Pricing idea, only recently...for several years existing IDN.com owners were led to believe their matching names would be free with their existing name, or at worse a regular additional reg fee.
I'm sure their will much more to come, in regards to this issue.

But I do not think anything gonna change, and it will be the same for future IDN.COM ( other languages)?...it seems it is better lower/control investment in .com IDN in general...

 

[N-A]

バカ.コム (available...)

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

バカ.コム (available...)

No wonder.
Only the good / best ones will be registered before GA

 

[AMRO1001]

So you think .コム will have inherited prestige and popularity from .com and the after market will develop quickly or it will be like any other gTLD trying to build itself from scratch?

 

[dordomai]

Japan doesn't have an active IDN aftermarket.The japanese IDN extensions that were released in the past years are dead I believe. IMO this is a long term bet at best. At worst it's one of many future ghost extensions that no one will care about. Wouldn't expect quick development of a market for this one. Time will tell.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

So you think .コム will have inherited prestige and popularity from .com and the after market will develop quickly or it will be like any other gTLD trying to build itself from scratch?

Mixed, I think.
People will 'trust' .コム faster than some other new TLDs - simply because it's powered by Verisign.
But at the end it's created for japanese economy (because they have a good economy).
I choosed this TLD primarely to create the longest possible コムコムコム... .コム which is now part of my 63.DOMAINS collection.
Currently I don't know if I will register any other .コム domain.

 

[SVUV]

Mixed, I think.
People will 'trust' .コム faster than some other new TLDs - simply because it's powered by Verisign.
But at the end it's created for japanese economy (because they have a good economy).
I choosed this TLD primarely to create the longest possible コムコムコム... .コム which is now part of my 63.DOMAINS collection.
Currently I don't know if I will register any other .コム domain.

It's hard to say if the ".コム" will take off, but I see some quick obvious pros and cons.

cons
company sites and users in Japan primarily use the ccTLD .co.jp(yahoo.co.jp, amazon.co.jp, google.co.jp). That means the transition or rush to a .コム domain may take much longer when their customer base is not used to using a .com or even a .com.jp if that was a thing(it's not).

pros
1) Typng "com" into Japanese language processors is not even possible. It would look like "こm" or "コu" it would physically need to be completed by typing "komu" which こむ higrana or コム Japanese katakana(the reasoning behind the .co.jp/.ne.jp instead of .com.jp/.net.jp for ccTLD purposes). The reason katakana is used is due to the fact that japanese even has it's own writing system for foreign word ie グーグル (guguru) for "google"

I own コ.コム (ko. komu better know as co. com) for both the pros and cons listed above.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

It's hard to say if the ".コム" will take off, but I see some quick obvious pros and cons.

cons
company sites and users in Japan primarily use the ccTLD .co.jp(yahoo.co.jp, amazon.co.jp, google.co.jp). That means the transition or rush to a .コム domain may take much longer when their customer base is not used to using a .com or even a .com.jp if that was a thing(it's not).

pros
1) Typng "com" into Japanese language processors is not even possible. It would look like "こm" or "コu" it would physically need to be completed by typing "komu" which こむ higrana or コム Japanese katakana(the reasoning behind the .co.jp/.ne.jp instead of .com.jp/.net.jp for ccTLD purposes). The reason katakana is used is due to the fact that japanese even has it's own writing system for foreign word ie グーグル (guguru) for "google"

I own コ.コム (ko. komu better know as co. com) for both the pros and cons listed above.

Great and helpful feedback, thx & congrats for your コ.コム

 

[hikari]

I've never seen a single .コム or .みんな (or any other IDNs) site advertised here or in use and I rarely even see URLs advertised at all. I don't see this taking off. In conversation, .com and .コム are the same, so it's another step in trying to explain that it's in katakana and not in romaji.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

I've never seen a single .コム or .みんな (or any other IDNs) site advertised here or in use and I rarely even see URLs advertised at all. I don't see this taking off. In conversation, .com and .コム are the same, so it's another step in trying to explain that it's in katakana and not in romaji.

Lets see how they will develop in the next years.

 

[NameYourself]

It could have been great, but likely won't amount to much anymore. I've followed and invested heavily in IDN.com over the years and know the market well.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

It could have been great, but likely won't amount to much anymore. I've followed and invested heavily in IDN.com over the years and know the market well.

I see - but IDN.notIDN isn't the same as IDN.IDN

If both sides of the domain has the same language (both in IDN) then the domain has more aestehtic then if both sides are 'mixed'.

 

[NameYourself]

Choose to agree or disagree, the whole premise of IDN.com was that one day we would have IDN.idn. We've had other IDN tlds launch already with little uptake. The demand isn't there from end users or native consumers. I've spent lots of money on these things, talked to native investors etc.. your thinking is about 10 years behind. For a myriad of reasons it has great potential for growth, sounds good in theory, but when it comes down to it, I just don't see it happening. I've bought and sold some of the most expensive IDNs out there, its a small community and I'm very familiar with it. Choose to disagree, but you need more facts and experience to back up your theories. I hope IDNs as a concept do take off, but it should have happened long ago and now there are just more and more obstacles with no greater demand than before. Add in that now you will now have two separate owners for basically identical sounding TLDs.. .コム and .com sound exactly the same on the radio.. so much confusion.

 

[wot]

IDN is growing now...I hope the dedicate a section for it in this forum...each language with its own thread..

Beg to differ.

IDN is stumbling along in the darkness and many of the original knowledgeable investors are losing faith.

 

[AMRO1001]

What about the legal aspect?

If the market it up, there will be alot of court action I guess because as Nameyourself said "now have two separate owners for basically identical sounding TLDs"

 

[NameYourself]

and therein lies the biggest problem as I see it, even more so than premium pricing. It's having two TLDs that sound identical and were created on purpose to be similar with each other but many of which will now have completely different owners and sites. This could only have been done right one way, and that is by ensuring 100% matching. ICANN made that impossible.

 

[wot]

and therein lies the biggest problem as I see it, even more so than premium pricing. It's having two TLDs that sound identical and were created on purpose to be similar with each other but many of which will now have completely different owners and sites. This could only have been done right one way, and that is by ensuring 100% matching. ICANN made that impossible.

And money is the probable reason for this fiasco.

 

[hikari]

Ontop of .コム and .com sounding the same, Japanese have 4 different writing systems so even though idn.idn sounds compelling, trying to convey a url verbally would be a nightmare.

rakuten.com
らくてん.com
ラクテン.com
楽天.com
rakuten.コム
らくてん.コム
ラクテン.コム
楽天.コム

These all sound exactly the same, plus many words are a combination of writing systems so not only is it confusing to convey but you'd have to buy many domains just to cover yourself from imitators.