.tv Its the .TV economy - Stupid!

[GoneWalkabout]

There is increasing speculation about a reduction in value (or esteem) of .TV names as a result of the 'credit crunch'. Recent auctions seem to back that up.

Does anyone have any evidence that prices are REALLY falling (or even going up), or that people are bailing out of .TV

Will the recession / depression be murderous or beneficial for members of the .TV forum?

My own view is that .tv is one of the few positives for investment of any kind and that it will buck the general downward economic trend - but what do I know, I thought Salford Van Hire was a Dutch painter!!!

 

[michaeldotcom]

There is already a debate on this topic here :

http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/470577-value-of-tvs.html

 

[smashfactory]

the economy- the resession, the crunches- they will have no more of an effect on .tv, or this forum, than any other extension.

prices are not falling- in all honesty, a domainer .tv auction has yet to do really well-

.tv is being developed left and right. domainers have a hard time understanding how is an extension really growing, if there are no domainer to domainer sales to back that up.

there is a huge amount of .tv activity on the web- your seeing it on tv and on tv commercials- so whay isnt this translating into sales that are off the charts?

someone just posted a thread for a new travel .tv site- did they go for travel.tv- etravel, mytravel, ect... nope. instead, they used turnheretravel.tv- a 3 word travel name.

.tv opened the doors to people, developers, and webmasters, to still be able to get a name they want. it also opened the door to the wacky innovative off center names you see being used- because again- if you think in terms of say a tv show, and not a genric parking lot site- you tend to get more creative.

i see just as many brandables open as i see geos or generics, if not more. it is flourishing in development and usage, and not in sales- this i think defys what domainers know as to how this all works- and its got people confounded.

no one- NO one, can deny the growth of the extension. its just not growing in terms they understand- thus they have to blame the sales on something- confusing premiums, high renewals, blah blah.

i for one, am not betting on the domainers in this game. i am looking beyond that- and i see a world beginning to use and grow .tv, despite us. if you see that as sad news, then you dont get it yet.

 

[Steven]

I agree with Smash.
With corporate end user adaptations and usages, .tv will get exposure from many general net users.
It's only a matter of time before the value of .tv names go up significantly (including reselling values).

I only have a handful of .TV and TV.com names, but I try to focus on buying up quality ones. I have no doubt about investing in this extension.

 

[jlc]

Remember........the .com wasn't built in a day.

.tv is just getting started!

Judy

 

[hullswingerscom]

.tv is being developed left and right. domainers have a hard time understanding how is an extension really growing, if there are no domainer to domainer sales to back that up

i dont understand why tv is all over the net yet poor sales on tv domain names...and i think this is why i have lost interest in tv .

maybe a experienced domainer can tell me

 

[Steven]

.tv is being developed left and right. domainers have a hard time understanding how is an extension really growing, if there are no domainer to domainer sales to back that up

i dont understand why tv is all over the net yet poor sales on tv domain names...and i think this is why i have lost interest in tv .

maybe a experienced domainer can tell me

I believe .tv extension is growing due to increasing number of corporate end users and exposure to the general net users.
Domainer to domainer sales will follow.

 

[equity78]

Well you are running two different themes that do not have to go together, and can bring about frustration Hull.

First off a lot of people are cheap, why are they using 3 word.tv or off the map .tv can be for a lot of reasons. IMO a lot of people are cheap, they could not buy Travel.tv first off because Elequa is the one who owns it and does not sell any domain. Secondly it was bought for $65,000 the asking price would be in the xxx,xxx.

If you are going to look at all the names that people use that have a brandable feel in .com and apply that to .tv. There are thousands of hand regs to be regged plenty of CVCV, or I-.tv or using a keyword as a prefix or suffix, there was a big run last year in .com that ended with the keyword world. So there are plenty of names left to be regged if everyone taking that tact and that means that people who only care about sales will be frustrated.

Not everyone cares about .tv development, they want their names to sell and are focused on nothing else. Usually someone's reality is their perception of reality. So if they are not selling names .tv sucks.

I think you do have to look at all of this and how many names you own and how extended you are. Because there will be plenty of new people and new small companies that will not be being creative, just cheap IMO and they have a lot of choices at reg fee.

Example CVCV domains that would go from $3000 to $30,000 in .com are available in .tv like Bota.tv,Tosa.tv Pona.tv. Icountry.com or Icity.com will go anywhere from $800 to $20,000 and there are plenty available in .tv so again there will be plenty of choice for the new .tv prospect.

Owners need to find end users that want the category defining domain or the straight geo. I think that those with great portfolios just so long as not over extended will be fine and those who are overextended need to sell and see the lack of sales as a stressful situation. Again IMO

 

[snoop]

There is increasing speculation about a reduction in value (or esteem) of .TV names as a result of the 'credit crunch'. Recent auctions seem to back that up.

Does anyone have any evidence that prices are REALLY falling (or even going up), or that people are bailing out of .TV

Will the recession / depression be murderous or beneficial for members of the .TV forum?

My own view is that .tv is one of the few positives for investment of any kind and that it will buck the general downward economic trend - but what do I know, I thought Salford Van Hire was a Dutch painter!!!

A recession isn't going to be good for any extension. From what I can see of it domain prices generally are in a slump, auction clearance rates are half what they were and the sales results are weak. Personally I think the overall market is down about 30% or so. The big exception seems to be 3 letter .com which have kept rising.

As far as .tv goes I expect this and other very speculative extensions such as .mobi, .us, .info, .biz will fall more than the overall market. The names without cashflow will be the hardest hit despite the ppc slump I think. These are obvious type of names that people will let drop at the borderline end of the market and I think people generally will be trying to get out of the premiums before they are hit with hefty renewals.

I'm not sure if now is generally a good buying time or not, on one hand prices are significantly lower than a year ago, on the other the growth prospects look completely different and the US economy likely has a lot of pain to go through. The Traffic auction on Friday will be an important test for the market.

side note-Here is a pretty classic example of what I was talking about with the premiums,

http://www.namepros.com/tv-marketplace/469976-chelsea-tv.html

I suspect we will be seeing a lot of this over the next 6 months.

 

[benzdorf]

Spot On Baby..

I get much inspiration from reading your stuff, like for example below..spot on, i repeat..spot on...

the economy- the resession, the crunches- they will have no more of an effect on .tv, or this forum, than any other extension.

prices are not falling- in all honesty, a domainer .tv auction has yet to do really well-

.tv is being developed left and right. domainers have a hard time understanding how is an extension really growing, if there are no domainer to domainer sales to back that up.

there is a huge amount of .tv activity on the web- your seeing it on tv and on tv commercials- so whay isnt this translating into sales that are off the charts?

someone just posted a thread for a new travel .tv site- did they go for travel.tv- etravel, mytravel, ect... nope. instead, they used turnheretravel.tv- a 3 word travel name.

.tv opened the doors to people, developers, and webmasters, to still be able to get a name they want. it also opened the door to the wacky innovative off center names you see being used- because again- if you think in terms of say a tv show, and not a genric parking lot site- you tend to get more creative.

i see just as many brandables open as i see geos or generics, if not more. it is flourishing in development and usage, and not in sales- this i think defys what domainers know as to how this all works- and its got people confounded.

no one- NO one, can deny the growth of the extension. its just not growing in terms they understand- thus they have to blame the sales on something- confusing premiums, high renewals, blah blah.

i for one, am not betting on the domainers in this game. i am looking beyond that- and i see a world beginning to use and grow .tv, despite us. if you see that as sad news, then you dont get it yet.

 

[freedom30]

the economy- the resession, the crunches- they will have no more of an effect on .tv, or this forum, than any other extension.

prices are not falling- in all honesty, a domainer .tv auction has yet to do really well-

.tv is being developed left and right. domainers have a hard time understanding how is an extension really growing, if there are no domainer to domainer sales to back that up.

there is a huge amount of .tv activity on the web- your seeing it on tv and on tv commercials- so whay isnt this translating into sales that are off the charts?

someone just posted a thread for a new travel .tv site- did they go for travel.tv- etravel, mytravel, ect... nope. instead, they used turnheretravel.tv- a 3 word travel name.

.tv opened the doors to people, developers, and webmasters, to still be able to get a name they want. it also opened the door to the wacky innovative off center names you see being used- because again- if you think in terms of say a tv show, and not a genric parking lot site- you tend to get more creative.

i see just as many brandables open as i see geos or generics, if not more. it is flourishing in development and usage, and not in sales- this i think defys what domainers know as to how this all works- and its got people confounded.

no one- NO one, can deny the growth of the extension. its just not growing in terms they understand- thus they have to blame the sales on something- confusing premiums, high renewals, blah blah.

i for one, am not betting on the domainers in this game. i am looking beyond that- and i see a world beginning to use and grow .tv, despite us. if you see that as sad news, then you dont get it yet.

In short, smash, what you can also say is that one monkey don't stop no show! :bingo:

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Snoop

Thanks for your anti-flow view. Much appreciated, whether I disagree or not.

If everyone is bailing out of .TV could they have the good manners to let me know first. I, and several others, would certainly be interested in buying their portfolios (at knock-down prices of course).

I came into the TV world from a media background - not a domainers. I had seen the writing on the wall and it said, plain and simply, 'INTERNET TV is coming our way and will not be stopped'. Now whether that is via TV.com or .TV (or more likely both) the fact is that all internet Tv channels will need a name appropriate to their endevours.

Even if the worse depression in generations comes our way I would attempt to keep hold of as many really good .TV and TV.com names as I could.

 

[hullswingerscom]

good thread ,help me understand a little better...
i always said it would take 10 years,and i think no different now..

there is a name held buy a namepros member i would like,and each year he pays the $1000 renewal,i am looking to develop this name in a few years from now.
so i can wait whill he pays the renewals....its a gamble but it worked for me before..

how many other domainers or buyers are doing just this...

 

[mckennaronnie]

good thread ,help me understand a little better...
i always said it would take 10 years,and i think no different now..

there is a name held buy a namepros member i would like,and each year he pays the $1000 renewal,i am looking to develop this name in a few years from now.
so i can wait whill he pays the renewals....its a gamble but it worked for me before..

how many other domainers or buyers are doing just this...

There is a whole lot of domains that NP members hold & renew that i want but not many that won't get renewed by the owners & even if they are dropped then somebody else will catch them before.

If you want the domain to develop then make a bid, talk to the owner via PM as you may find he/she is sick of paying the renewal anyway so would be happy to sell just to recoup his costs. All depends how good the domain is though i guess.

 

[equity78]

I agree Ronnie 100 %, if the domain is renewed more than one year the owner usually continues to renew the domain.

 

[hullswingerscom]

but if the prices of tv domains dont go up as much as the renewal each year..

i can hold and wait watch the market.

sometimes i see sales were the domainer even says "for sale or i will renew."
ok i say i did not plan to develop this year ill get it next year save £1000 on the renewal.sometimes you win sometimes you dont...but if tv domains dont go up in the year,you cant lose.

just a way at looking at things.supos...so now sell me you best names becouse i have saved money on your renew fees...thanks.... :bingo:

so if my plan works i should get scotland of ronnie for £500

ahhh see what you mean...no forget it daft idea

 

[domainacrobat]

IMO domains are seperate issues from the credit crunch. Historically investors look to other means of revenue when their sector is down. Domains is one potential avenue that remains unaffected when the real estate or stock market is down. IMO bad economics somethimes translates into good domains sales. Just my opinion.

 

[DnEbook]

if you got into .tv , you got into a long term situation , imo, i am happy to wait

 

[DomainMayhem.com]

Snoop

Thanks for your anti-flow view. Much appreciated, whether I disagree or not.

If everyone is bailing out of .TV could they have the good manners to let me know first. I, and several others, would certainly be interested in buying their portfolios (at knock-down prices of course).

I came into the TV world from a media background - not a domainers. I had seen the writing on the wall and it said, plain and simply, 'INTERNET TV is coming our way and will not be stopped'. Now whether that is via TV.com or .TV (or more likely both) the fact is that all internet Tv channels will need a name appropriate to their endevours.

Even if the worse depression in generations comes our way I would attempt to keep hold of as many really good .TV and TV.com names as I could.

I also have a media background, and couldn't agree with you more. I will keep hold of my .tv's ...even if I have to go hungry to do so! It IS the future.

 

[snoop]

...even if I have to go hungry to do so! It IS the future.

Hope you are joking. Would be a worry if domain speculation was affecting people to this extent.