.tv Is the .TV Premium Pricing Policy Fair?

[MicroGuy]

Now that we all know that Golf.tv is a $25/year renewal and Weather.tv is a $100/year renewal, do you believe that the .TV premium pricing system is fair to everyone? And if so, why?

 

[deb]

they dont care so we need to get over it and deal with what we have :imho:

 

[Alan Glennon]

With respect to premium pricing, just think of the .tv registry as another domainer. They are your competition.

 

[equity78]

These discounts in Elequa and Igal's case went to people that put up big money when TV corp needed it before Verisign bought. They continued to support even afterward last year at this time anyone got the opportunity to reg a LL.tv for 70 % off for as many as the maximum 10 year registration.

I agree with you Greg it skews the opinion of everyone else, I will be the first one to say if I did not know the history and study the extension I would think it was insane. By being apart of this forum people here have gotten an education that no company would know including Demand Media I talk about certain things and they had no clue.

Verisign overpaid for two companies .tv Corp and Great Domains they sold Great Domains to SEDO for a big loss and I would love to see them sell .tv corp either to Demand Media where Rosenblatt would have full control or to Moniker where Monte would do wonders IMO.

Think about a domainer portfolio you have quality .coms that bring you ppc revenue every month, plus offers every week. You got some great one word generic .mobi, and you have some great .tv. You also have one .im domain that makes you the least of your profitable business I mean it is nothing just one domain. To Verisign .tv is that .im domain. The.com and .net registries make them a fortune, selling SSL another fortune, other security tools and services successful and then there is .tv

 

[mckennaronnie]

I kinda got to agree with Deb who said " they dont care so we need to get over it and deal with what we have "

There is no point in us continually talking over the pricing set up as it is here to stay no matter what. I also hate it when i see some of the daft premium prices and feel lots could be done to get more sold but lets not forget that premium pricing allowed many of us to get excellent domains that we would never normally get near to.

Premium pricing is here so we got to get on with it. My advice would be to just avoid buying premium domains if you really dislike the set up, there is 100's if not 1000's of top class .tv's that are regular reg fee but are better than many premiums (Motels.tv comes to my mind instantly, John bought it on Sedo Auction for about $5k and a major reason he was so keen on it was that it was a cheap renewal)

My personally strategy was to avoid Premiums in all but extreme cases (I own 3 Premiums but they all mean something to me and are cheap renewals, Scotland.tv is $300 yr, Belfast.tv is $500 and Paraguay.tv is $250 yr)
If Premium pricing did not exist then i would never own any of they Premiums as investors would of bought all the top domains up ages ago and would only release them for massive offers.

Thats my personal view on Premiums, i dont think it was ever run that well and has lots of problems but without the premium policy i wouldnt own 3 top Geo's and no matter what i think it is here to stay!

*Please note my opinions are as a result of my 1st taste of 'Morgans Spice' :yell: I dont normally drink much else but Whiskey, Bourbon, Southern Comfort but was talked into trying Morgans Spice for the 1st and
last time! :hehe:

Nite all,

Ronnie

 

[DomainAgency.com]

Yes DM has some oddities as far as some of these so-called premiums and they know this and are working to fix this problem.

People need to stop crying about the premiums in general and as EQ smartly points out either buy and develop them or don't but it is not going away and in most cases none of you would have had a chance at these names anyway if they were not premiums as they would be long gone and now out of your price range in the aftermarket.

I for one am thankful for the opportunities the premium system has given me and I fully plan on taking advantage of them.

 

[MicroGuy]

If Verisign and Demand Media would just “own up” to the fact that certain individuals received special treatment, and "recognize" that the market DEMANDS total transparency, potential investors in .TV would have the opportunity to weigh the facts for themselves and make their own investment decisions.

Instead, they try to conceal the truth while sending emails to their buddies offering 50% discounts on premium renewals. At some point, they will need to come to the realization that the public DEMANDS full disclosure. Instead of trying to conceal the facts, they should be open and honest with everyone.

 

[johntv]

I for one am thankful for the opportunities the premium system has given me...

Me too, that's why I votes 'Yes'.

It might not be fair and the pricing makes sometimes no sense at all, but I simply couldn't vote 'No' as I was able to reg many nice names I would never be able to reg if all names where non-premium.

 

[MicroGuy]

they dont care so we need to get over it and deal with what we have :imho:

I was in the Greenville County jail for three days and that was the attitude of 95% of the inmates.

 

[StargateCapital]

I voted no. If .com can do it, so can .tv (regarding premium pricing) - its pretty simple IMHO. The premium pricing system is unnecessary and has hindered the growth of the extension (IMHO) and may have done so permanently. Just because I personally can afford to spend many several thousands on .tv, doesn't mean I enjoy it or will continue to do so. The extension has yet to prove itself to the masses, not just the domainer crowd. I agree with you Microguy 100% - at least someone else has the balls to say what needs to be done and not just mutter, yeah we got screwed, but its ok under their breath. If you people (generally stated) are cool with being robbed, guess what?!? You will be robbed! Get it? The argue that premium pricing allowed me to get these names is not so great actually and a lame excuse to accept shelling out ridiculous money for .tv names. I regged my first name in 2001/2002 (sneakers[.]tv - even though it says 2000) and would have bought a lot if the price was open (non premium), but it was not and the prices then were as ridiculous as they are now. All the premium pricing did was delay purchases for those with money to buy at a later date that either did not get on board at the right time, or they changed their mind about the worth of .tv domains. Nothing is set in stone and change is inevitable. These so called "oddities" are what's screwing up progress for us IMHO. Like it or not, its ok, its my opinion. 50% off deals to some and not others... shady registrations of premiums... concealed premium pricing -- transparency and equal pricing for all is the key and at least a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I like the extension very much, but it sure needs some adjustments if you know what I mean.

S

The poll is telling the story just fine... :yell:

 

[equity78]

Roy you make a point but it is not a clear as that, First off I have never been a fan of Verisign and constantly spoken out against them, but I do know they own the .tv corporation and I don't. I may think you should sell me sneakers.com for $100,000 but you want Seven figures and you have every right to want seven figures. But that is a pretty big premium over $30 if I regged it 10 years ago.

Secondly some are outrageous some are not and most here own premiums from the Golden Age with a 70 % discount. Tea.tv at $250 is not outrageous to me. An LL.tv for $1000 is not, $5000 or $10,000 is outrageous IMO. What would an LL.com cost me $500,000 I still have to pay a premium and no disrespect but I do not care any more for the Domainer charging me $500,000 then I do for Verisign. Neither have ever done anything for me. See I am lost at the notion Verisign has something they feel is of value and they want big money they are bad, but Rick Schwartz or Adam Dicker want big money and that is cool. Its either all good or all bad IMO
Some people want to say the premium you pay to a .com owner is cool he was a visionary and like TEDDY KGB in rounders they want to say "Pay that man his money" Well I see no difference in paying them a premium as I do seeing paying Verisign a premium. Don't like either but I believe in free market capitalism and respect people trying to maximize their return. I have always said I do not believe in paying over $500 for a premium except for a Quality LL.tv and no higher than $1000. But just like you own sneakers.com VERISIGN owns the dot tv corporation you are both in the drivers seat with your respective domain. Again IMO

And it is not an invalid arguement to say a lot of people would not have gotten what they got. Elequa told Verisign for years give me $50 regs and I will take all the remaining LL and LLL.tv that was long before most ever got here. IF they do that deal in 02 03 04 I never reg LCD or SIX, John never regs ME.tv, you never pick up 7 LL.tv for $125 and flip them, MrRhee never gets Win.tv Local Experts never gets KC, Gamehouse never gets MA.tv, MIllers and Atl never get DE.tv, etc.... De,Me, and SIX are three of the biggest sales of 07.


Greg I agree with you on Transparency, but a lot of these deals were done way back when the .com world crashed and .tv needed people to step up and support the extension. Secondly everyone equally had the opportunity in 06 for 70 % off and the 50 % this year I posted here for everyone when Jason Samose and I spoke. So if there is a premium anyone can contact them and get 50 % off their .tv

 

[johntv]

The argue that premium pricing allowed me to get these names is not so great actually and a lame excuse to accept shelling out ridiculous money for .tv names.

Without these premium pricing you wouldn't have owned many of your names as well, just like me and many others here, so the premium pricing helped you with your great .tv portfolio.

Reading this thread made me think of my neighbour in Kenya, who is often complaining about fuel charges (flowers go by air) and he can not change anything about it, just like we can't with premium pricing. I therefore second Deb's remark "they dont care so we need to get over it and deal with what we have", I even like to add that many here have taken the advantage of it.

It's unfortunate maybe, but it's the way it is

 

[MicroGuy]

5 Votes for "Yes" in 90 seconds. Wow!

 

[equity78]

This thread was posted for any and all to get 50 % off I have never kept any deals or discounts a secret.


http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/375603-discounts-and-the-cheap-premium-tvs.html

 

[StargateCapital]

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[equity78]

Roy I am not knocking you and glad you doing well with sneakers. Look I do not want to pay $500 a year for a domain but I have to be fair and be honest to myself and say without Premium pricing I do not reg SIX.tv which was there for anyone I paid what they were asking $500. I agree .tv is nowhere near .com I was just talking about paying a premium. I was just stripping everything down to the basics AZ.com sold for $500,000 AZ.tv went for $15,000 I was just saying someone paid a big premium for AZ.com compared to the reg fee. But the .com is far superior to the .tv. My whole thing is I would rather see people make money that get upset over something that is not going to change. I also have written for years unless you wealthy have a small portfolio do not reg so so domains. Just because the domain was $9.99 at Godaddy does not make it cool if the domain totally stinks. Again IMO

 

[StargateCapital]

I appreciate and enjoy reading your view Ray... I didn't take your previous post as knocking me down in any way. Its all good!

 

[equity78]

Roy I have worked on change so I agree with you but Richard Rosenblatt does not get through to the CEO of Verisign on the first call, no one here is going to make them change the pricing on their property. Can I get you to change the pricing parameters on SNEAKERS.com ? I know I cannot in anyway change your opinion on your personal lease rights. (since technically domains are not property).

And if they were all reg fee I believe in 2000 before even you found .tv they would have been all gone Roy Igal could have taken everything at reg fee.

And no exotic CCTLD was ever going to be $7 or $20 is anyone upset that every domain is a premium in Kirabati $1500 for any domain LL or xjcxnvngdgldjgldejtyjgrkgy78888.KI. What about any domain in .MD or .TM over $100

 

[StargateCapital]

5 Votes for "Yes" in 90 seconds. Wow!

lol i saw that too... INTERESTING.

 

[equity78]

I did not vote either way because the no one does not jive for me, NO one is paying $250 for a 14 character 3 hyphen domain