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Is the bottom in for 3L.com?

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  • Yup, 3L.com is heading way higher in 2020

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  • 3L.com trending higher

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  • 3L.com is steady -- the bottom is definitely in

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  • 3L.com is still finding bottom

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  • I prefer my 3G phone actually

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Rob Monster

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Quick gut check on pricing outlook of 3L.com domains.

For some months, this market looked weak, but this week we have seen a notable spike in activity with inbound prospects inquiring about 3L.com domains and a spike in closed transactions.

The 4N.com market is still hot -- very little inventory available with strong hands holding most of the inventory resulting in mostly fully-priced domains. 5N.com also is seeing some uptick.

I am not sure if it is a trend but the China buyers seem to be coming back into the market for 3L.com in a big way, perhaps expanding beyond the red hot 3N/4N market.

What are other folks seeing out there with 3L.com? I have noticed a few patterns for what is getting a bid. Curious to hear what others are seeing.
 
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26 days left add (dot com) current high bid $200K
I actually think this is already more than it’s worth. It’s one of those domains that seems great on the surface but is too confusing to stand alone. The first thing most people would think if they heard the domain in an ad is that it’s just that, AD.com.

I believe as crypto rises, so will values of short domains. We seen it a few years ago when loads of LL were going to China. I actually used btc to purchase a killer LLL that is worth far more than the buying price. We should see an uptick moving forward for sure.
 
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True, but the 3L.com market went soft in 2019.

My thesis is that the 4N.com market has become seized up as the supply wants $100K+ and the demand is not ready to go there yet

The 3N.com market is at ~$300K and holding or heading higher, but again the supply is tight with mostly non-motivated sellers.

So, I see speculative money going back into 3L.com since there are plenty of weak hands holding 3L.com right now.

I am one of those weak hands as i hold three of them, they get offers weekly and have been for several years now, i am not inclined to sell until i get an offer i like, so far the highest offer i received is $22.700 on one of them, i countered with $37,000 and they went quite, i will get the 37K on that name, very possibly this year of 2020 IMO
 
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pple think were exaggerating.. Go to Add.com!!

then have look at this screenshot... :ROFL:
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There is no reason for the owner of Add.com not to shoot for the moon, 3L.coms are on lock down by their owners, 3L.com domains are no longer a domainers buy IMO, they are straight out end user buys now IMO

It is much like investing in gold, at least that is the way i look at it owning 3L.com myself, when i purchased them i had no intention of selling them to a domainer, i bought them to mature, they are mature now, but they still have years more maturity if i want to wait, it is a matter of the when owners want to cash out at this point IMO

Most domainers don't purchase long term investments, meaning years of hold time, but some do
 
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I think LLL.com will go up in value. There are only 17,576 total and many are off the market either owned by end users or strong investors. There are just not too many out there at reseller prices.

NameBio only shows (75) selling in the last year.

I would also have a lot more confidence in strong western letter combos. China seems to move in and out of investments constantly, but there is always a demand for western premiums.

Brad
 
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I personally am not a huge fan of so-called "liquid" domains.

Unless:
1 - You can acquire them below the liquid price
2 - You can acquire them at the liquid price *AND* there is an attribute that distinguishes it above the average.

Another important factor is that with lower cost liquid domains, medium and longer term holding fees can cut into your portfolio math. For example, 10 year holding costs (aka renewals) on $20k 3L.com acquisitions are insignificant at under 0.5%. However the same 10 year holding costs on a $100 4L.com is 100%.

IMO, random 4L.com domains aren't great buys, and random 5L.com domains are terrible buys.

For 4L, and significantly more for 5L, the domains need to be strong, pronounceable, have implied meaning or be an acronym in an industry with money (helps a lot if it's also b2c).

So in the end that still leaves a small portion of 4L.com that are good buys .. but with 5L it's such a tiny fraction that to say 5L.com's are good is just wrong.

However .. yes .. 5L.com's that are easy to pronounce and spell, are strong phonetically or are the root of another word, are most certainly good buys. However, when you look at the numbers those are well under 1% of 5L combinations that are probably any good. There are 12 million 5L combinations .. of which the vast majority is worthless garbage like QYKJF.com or OUTTH.com


In the end companies get domains to people can find them .. which means memorability is a key factor. Most people just won't remember random 4L or 5L domains .. and there are even some 3L combinations which aren't particularly memorable.

I think people much more likely to remember a good meaningful 2 word combination than a 4L. But again, "meaningful 2 word combination" is also something which a very wide spectrum in terms of quality. With the big difference being that you can get them without paying a liquidity premium which put a huge dent in your profitability math.

That being said .. there most certainly are business owners who *think* 4L's are good/memorable .. and in the end that's all that counts .. so there still is potential in them .. but again .. make sure any 4L/5L you acquire has somehting special about them that translates into potential end user demand .. otherwise you're just playing a liquid market where your holding costs can really hurt you long term.


Also .. it's important to note that the Chinese domain market might as well be on another planet .. unless you know and understand that market, I think it's dangerous to venture there without some kind of strong inside knowledge. Seems to me the first Chinese bubble a few years ago turned out to be a lot of very bad investments (particularly 6N domains) combined with an unsustainable loan structure which eventually collapsed and caused the lower priced CHIPs to tumble in price as people needed to pay back their loans. Some would even compare what happened with Chips similar to a pyramid scheme. I personally think it was a combination of several things .. but I got into domaining just before the Chips peaked, and despite turning everywhere and everyone saying how hot they are, I avoided them like the plague because I just didn't see value in them because I just didn't see end users buying them in sustainable ratios.


All that said .. up to 3L and 4N .com's are still good domains and there will likely always be buyers for them (although I still would recommend against buying random ones blindly at liquid prices). I'm honestly not sure where 5N's fit .. but 6N's I'd avoid unless they are full of 8's .. lol.


In 2018 the $3.5 million sale of ICE was a big impact, while in 2017 we had ETH at $2.0 million and Fly at $2.89 million.
It's really important that new domainers do NOT confuse these sales with "random" or "liquid" 3L .com sales. All three of those have actual meaning that put them in a totally different class from 3L domains. Of them the only one that was sold as an acronym ironically was the actual word "ICE" .. but there's no doubt the buyer place a significant premium on the fact it was a real and VERY memorable dictionary word.
 
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@Keith Add is also ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) so that's another angle for it that does pass the radio test when spelled out. I don't know if 200K isn't too high for a reseller though even with this additional meaning.
 
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How much are the market for 3L.com?

more familiar with 4L.com (much more affordable to average investor)

Samer

4L.com is still a buyer's market except for CVCV.com and similar brandables. The random 4 letter combos that were previously hot are still interesting but not liquid.
 
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For what worth here are the average prices in NameBio-listed LLL .com sales over different time periods.
  • 2019 $61.6k
  • 2018 $109.5k
  • Past 3 yr $85k
  • Past 5 yr $56k
  • All time $52k
Bob
 
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What's your opinion on emub.com - I've had this name forever now while in and out of the domain scene and it's always seemed like the right time to sell was just around the corner or that pronounceable VCVC's were on a low and I'd wait just wait for them to bounce back. I'm getting a little sick of the name though after all the time 😂😂

There are not a ton of obvious buyers and you have a slightly inconvenient acronym usage listed 1st on Google:
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So, while I definitely think the domain is a keeper, it will be a case of patient inbound waiting since Huawei probably would not be a buyer since they have a brand.

It seems you have a Brand Bucket lander but that Google has yet to index it since their last index seems to refer to a Uni registry lander:

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If you are not locked up in a contract with BB, you can try an Epik SSL lander and add more SEO content so you at least rank on the term EMUB.

Other than that, it is a patience game here.
 
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I have owned a decent CVC.com for about 10 years now and I have seen a notable increase in the number of enquiries in the last 30-60 days, so my extremely small sample size of one name indicates support to the thread.
 
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How much are the market for 3L.com?

more familiar with 4L.com (much more affordable to average investor)

Samer
 
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What are other folks seeing out there with 3L.com? I have noticed a few patterns for what is getting a bid. Curious to hear what others are seeing.

Recently, CN central bank pumped $30bn into the market before the Spring festival, so you can expect quick-to-die / short-term 3-6 L/N DN liquidity.

In mid 2018 China softens (slowed down) "Made in China 2025" plan and as a result, we saw 4L/N. 5L/N and some of 3L/N prices rapidly falling. Some of ... west based dn brokers/investors decide to set up a joint venture in/with China co's. and even willing to sustain losses in order to establish beachfront for 2021+ (as a result taking many advantages).

If you are offering something related to technology (2-6 L/N domains), that is strategic to CN’s 2025 plan - either wholly-owned or in partnership w CN base, you should do your DD to ensure you understand "how silk road works / getting money out of CN / paying back %, etc).

Regards
 
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Perhaps of interest a China buyer was asking for this pattern:

1. Starts with: N, C,
2. Ends with: N, J, T, P, O, D, R


The middle letter was not a concern.

If anyone has insight on that, please comment.
 
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@Keith Add is also ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) so that's another angle for it that does pass the radio test when spelled out. I don't know if 200K isn't too high for a reseller though even with this additional meaning.

if think he’s exaggerating.. Go to Add.com!!

then take a look at this screenshot... :ROFL:

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used for their sound values
I don't think so (not 100%) ... pretty sure it's numbers that Chinese generally use for phonetic equivalents. Letters are for initials/acronyms (like in English, but with different letters being most common like X and Q) as well as for pinyins.
 
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4L.com is still a buyer's market except for CVCV.com and similar brandables. The random 4 letter combos that were previously hot are still interesting but not liquid.

Agree on all points, but what’s “random”? subjective.. (!) dont forget acronym factor, and 456,976 supply-demand, i tend to just avoid “X” “Z” maybe “Q” more opportunistic “interesting” than made seem, wish i had more! ;)

As for 3L.com... all have to go for 3L is shortnames.
Some interesting 3L in auction now..

26 days left add (dot com) current high $201K (!!)

Sounds like lack of 3L sale volume, so hard to valuate!

will try to ask @jmcc hosterstats

Samer
 
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I actually think this is already more than it’s worth. It’s one of those domains that seems great on the surface but is too confusing to stand alone. The first thing most people would think if they heard the domain in an ad is that it’s just that, AD.com.

I believe as crypto rises, so will values of short domains. We seen it a few years ago when loads of LL were going to China. I actually used btc to purchase a killer LLL that is worth far more than the buying price. We should see an uptick moving forward for sure.

There may well be a correlation there -- mad-money seeks its level. Stock markets also sky high which will see some asset rotation at some point. The pattern I am seeing here is more China-specific.
 
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3L.com are not trading among domainers very rarely , they are going to bring more money in 2020 and beyond, it is just a matter of when a 3L.com holder wants to sell at this point IMO
 
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3L.com are not trading among domainers very rarely , they are going to bring more money in 2020 and beyond, it is just a matter of when a 3L.com holder wants to sell at this point IMO

True, but the 3L.com market went soft in 2019.

My thesis is that the 4N.com market has become seized up as the supply wants $100K+ and the demand is not ready to go there yet

The 3N.com market is at ~$300K and holding or heading higher, but again the supply is tight with mostly non-motivated sellers.

So, I see speculative money going back into 3L.com since there are plenty of weak hands holding 3L.com right now.
 
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@Samer Thanks. I'm aware of the current price. I was just adding the ADD meaning to the equation because it does add some additional value.

i wasnt, usually they’re lame GD park pages or re-direct to auction, wonder if it includes site? found it strange? yet Cool!

It adds credence to your point; I prob wouldn’t visited, if didnt point out; curious what angle!

Samer
 
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For what worth here are the average prices in NameBio-listed LLL .com sales over different time periods.
  • 2019 $61.6k
  • 2018 $109.5k
  • Past 3 yr $85k
  • Past 5 yr $56k
  • All time $52k
Bob

That's surprisingly consistent other than 17/18. Were there a few very highly-priced anomalies in those 2 years that caused those prices?
 
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