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Is the bottom in for 3L.com?

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  • Yup, 3L.com is heading way higher in 2020

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  • 3L.com trending higher

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  • 3L.com is steady -- the bottom is definitely in

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  • 3L.com is still finding bottom

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  • Look out below

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  • I prefer my 3G phone actually

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Rob Monster

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Quick gut check on pricing outlook of 3L.com domains.

For some months, this market looked weak, but this week we have seen a notable spike in activity with inbound prospects inquiring about 3L.com domains and a spike in closed transactions.

The 4N.com market is still hot -- very little inventory available with strong hands holding most of the inventory resulting in mostly fully-priced domains. 5N.com also is seeing some uptick.

I am not sure if it is a trend but the China buyers seem to be coming back into the market for 3L.com in a big way, perhaps expanding beyond the red hot 3N/4N market.

What are other folks seeing out there with 3L.com? I have noticed a few patterns for what is getting a bid. Curious to hear what others are seeing.
 
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That's surprisingly consistent other than 17/18. Were there a few very highly-priced anomalies in those 2 years that caused those prices?
Yes that is an astute observation. A few high value sales do have a big impact on the average. In 2018 the $3.5 million sale of ICE was a big impact, while in 2017 we had ETH at $2.0 million and Fly at $2.89 million. Here is a price ordered list of LLL .com from past three years.
Bob
 
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What's your opinion on emub.com - I've had this name forever now while in and out of the domain scene and it's always seemed like the right time to sell was just around the corner or that pronounceable VCVC's were on a low and I'd wait just wait for them to bounce back. I'm getting a little sick of the name though after all the time 😂😂

There are not a ton of obvious buyers and you have a slightly inconvenient acronym usage listed 1st on Google:
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So, while I definitely think the domain is a keeper, it will be a case of patient inbound waiting since Huawei probably would not be a buyer since they have a brand.

It seems you have a Brand Bucket lander but that Google has yet to index it since their last index seems to refer to a Uni registry lander:

upload_2020-1-20_6-27-51.png

If you are not locked up in a contract with BB, you can try an Epik SSL lander and add more SEO content so you at least rank on the term EMUB.

Other than that, it is a patience game here.
 
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I know three people in Turkey who has 3L domain name and one of them is suitable for Chinese buyers.

Means nothing for me but they are already crazy rich =)

As we are talking about supply and demand , 2020 and 2021 and 2022 will be 3L owner's year
 
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I personally am not a huge fan of so-called "liquid" domains.

Unless:
1 - You can acquire them below the liquid price
2 - You can acquire them at the liquid price *AND* there is an attribute that distinguishes it above the average.

Another important factor is that with lower cost liquid domains, medium and longer term holding fees can cut into your portfolio math. For example, 10 year holding costs (aka renewals) on $20k 3L.com acquisitions are insignificant at under 0.5%. However the same 10 year holding costs on a $100 4L.com is 100%.

IMO, random 4L.com domains aren't great buys, and random 5L.com domains are terrible buys.

For 4L, and significantly more for 5L, the domains need to be strong, pronounceable, have implied meaning or be an acronym in an industry with money (helps a lot if it's also b2c).

So in the end that still leaves a small portion of 4L.com that are good buys .. but with 5L it's such a tiny fraction that to say 5L.com's are good is just wrong.

However .. yes .. 5L.com's that are easy to pronounce and spell, are strong phonetically or are the root of another word, are most certainly good buys. However, when you look at the numbers those are well under 1% of 5L combinations that are probably any good. There are 12 million 5L combinations .. of which the vast majority is worthless garbage like QYKJF.com or OUTTH.com


In the end companies get domains to people can find them .. which means memorability is a key factor. Most people just won't remember random 4L or 5L domains .. and there are even some 3L combinations which aren't particularly memorable.

I think people much more likely to remember a good meaningful 2 word combination than a 4L. But again, "meaningful 2 word combination" is also something which a very wide spectrum in terms of quality. With the big difference being that you can get them without paying a liquidity premium which put a huge dent in your profitability math.

That being said .. there most certainly are business owners who *think* 4L's are good/memorable .. and in the end that's all that counts .. so there still is potential in them .. but again .. make sure any 4L/5L you acquire has somehting special about them that translates into potential end user demand .. otherwise you're just playing a liquid market where your holding costs can really hurt you long term.


Also .. it's important to note that the Chinese domain market might as well be on another planet .. unless you know and understand that market, I think it's dangerous to venture there without some kind of strong inside knowledge. Seems to me the first Chinese bubble a few years ago turned out to be a lot of very bad investments (particularly 6N domains) combined with an unsustainable loan structure which eventually collapsed and caused the lower priced CHIPs to tumble in price as people needed to pay back their loans. Some would even compare what happened with Chips similar to a pyramid scheme. I personally think it was a combination of several things .. but I got into domaining just before the Chips peaked, and despite turning everywhere and everyone saying how hot they are, I avoided them like the plague because I just didn't see value in them because I just didn't see end users buying them in sustainable ratios.


All that said .. up to 3L and 4N .com's are still good domains and there will likely always be buyers for them (although I still would recommend against buying random ones blindly at liquid prices). I'm honestly not sure where 5N's fit .. but 6N's I'd avoid unless they are full of 8's .. lol.


In 2018 the $3.5 million sale of ICE was a big impact, while in 2017 we had ETH at $2.0 million and Fly at $2.89 million.
It's really important that new domainers do NOT confuse these sales with "random" or "liquid" 3L .com sales. All three of those have actual meaning that put them in a totally different class from 3L domains. Of them the only one that was sold as an acronym ironically was the actual word "ICE" .. but there's no doubt the buyer place a significant premium on the fact it was a real and VERY memorable dictionary word.
 
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It's really important that new domainers do NOT confuse these sales with "random" or "liquid" 3L .com sales. All three of those have actual meaning that put them in a totally different class from 3L domains. Of them the only one that was sold as an acronym ironically was the actual word "ICE" .. but there's no doubt the buyer place a significant premium on the fact it was a real and VERY memorable dictionary word.
Agree entirely. Note that the context of the information from my post was to respond to a question whether differences in NameBio average prices in different years may primarily simply be due to a few atypically high-value sales. There is indeed some evidence that is true. The link I provided for the full list provides a picture of more typical 3L sales.
Bob
 
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Perhaps of interest a China buyer was asking for this pattern:

1. Starts with: N, C,
2. Ends with: N, J, T, P, O, D, R


The middle letter was not a concern.

If anyone has insight on that, please comment.

used for their sound values
 
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used for their sound values
I don't think so (not 100%) ... pretty sure it's numbers that Chinese generally use for phonetic equivalents. Letters are for initials/acronyms (like in English, but with different letters being most common like X and Q) as well as for pinyins.
 
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I don't think so (not 100%) ... pretty sure it's numbers that Chinese generally use for phonetic equivalents. Letters are for initials/acronyms (like in English, but with different letters being most common like X and Q) as well as for pinyins.

Maybe (f.e. The letter N > Number 2 / sound Start / End ; N^ (any L ~) T^ ?
 
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I have owned a decent CVC.com for about 10 years now and I have seen a notable increase in the number of enquiries in the last 30-60 days, so my extremely small sample size of one name indicates support to the thread.
 
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I have owned a decent CVC.com for about 10 years now and I have seen a notable increase in the number of enquiries in the last 30-60 days, so my extremely small sample size of one name indicates support to the thread.
What did you see between mid 2015, and into early 2017?
 
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no insight whatsoever on 3.coms

but my gut tells me we may be

seeing the beginning of the

.com implosion - .com

is a bubble - like

tulip bulbs

how about .tv - are you thinking about putting in a bid ?

GDDY soft - but not taking a dump - I may get more options

but right now Pitney Bowes fascinates me - a grand old name -

has huge open interest in JAN 2021 options ( not mine )……………..
 
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There are not a ton of obvious buyers
I post on LinkedIn everyday my end user research covering Chinese startups with recent funding rounds where 3L domains are their perfect upgrade.
 
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no insight whatsoever on 3.coms


but right now Pitney Bowes fascinates me - a grand old name -

has huge open interest in JAN 2021 options ( not mine )……………..


Cool story Bro but I think you want this website:

https://seekingalpha.com/

Some folks there might agree with you. However, around here, well, I think most might conclude that you are on the wrong side of the trade when it comes to domains. Just sayin'.
 
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.com implosion - .com

is a bubble - like

tulip bulbs

Yeah is a pretty bad comparison. Companies have spent trillions of dollars building their presence on .COM.

What do you think is going to replace it .horse?

Brad
 
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on GoDaddy Auctions BIN :

words
low.com $100,000.00
elk.com $400,000.00
tar.com $500,000.00
woe.com $520,000.00
mud.com $638,000.00
row.com $800,000.00
fog.com $986,000.00

abbreviations
dup.com $150,000.00
vap.com $175,000.00
veg.com $400,000.00

acronyms
awd.com $286,000.00
bin.com $350,000.00

nicknames
viv.com $140,000.00
bob.com $1000,000.00

so there is the market for three letter xxx.com (s) under one million dollars
not much out there, is there ?

if you think .com domains will appreciate as an asset, you want to own GoDaddy
if every website can be an IP TV Station, making the atoll of Tuvalu a better deal than Verisign
on .tv might be a good idea for a registrar -
Just sayin'.
 
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Yeah is a pretty bad comparison. Companies have spent trillions of dollars building their presence on .COM.

What do you think is going to replace it .horse?

Brad

per verisign q3 2019 144,000,000 .com regs

is significantly off the high of over 157 million regs ( I think )

The implosion of the DOT COM BUBBLE has commenced

( in my not-so-humble-opinion )

are there a million websites worth surfing to ?

how many years would it take you to surf thru a million websites anyway ?

the flippers have outflanked the developers by MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE , IMNSHO

and none of them need a million dollar name when a ten dollar name will do quite nicely.....


( and now .ltd is imploding... )

I guess what I am trying to say is Excellence in Web Development (or anything, for that matter)


speaks for itself, and will find creative, affordable domains
 
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Thank you but the word implosion doesn’t come to mind when I ponder Verisign’s 144M count on 09.30.19 and domainnamestat’s 157M today. Personally I stick with Verisign. Good luck!
 
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implosion takes place when a huge bubble has been manufactured

has nothing whatsoever to do with numbers but with unsustainability

loan really big bubble over 2 million now under 25,000 : IMPLOSION

ltd imploding NOW...
 
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