question Is "Save the Earth" a lie?

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So I watched this movie by Michael Moore. Did not know this came out last year in May 2020.

We've all seen the "save the Earth" propaganda.

With keywords like below.

Sustainable/sustainability
Green
Eco
Carbon emissions
Carbon Neutral
green house gases
Global Warming
Pollution


The solutions to "save the Earth" were in a "green" way

Solar Power
Wind Power


with the ultimate goal to eliminate coal use and reduce green house gases.

The Truth? on Cloudy or rainy days. Solar is not 100% efficient and at night? the efficiency is obviously ZERO.

On non-windy days wind power efficient is less to zero.

during down times both methods secretly will always have a connection to coal powered energy production.

or even LPG.

and then there is power generated from burning BIOMASS.

Biomass sounds pretty cool. And you tell someone "Biomass" most would never know it is the cutting down of forests to burn trees to produce power.

lol

So to prevent global warming? The solution is to cut down the forest and all the trees? and keep coal and LPG as a back up power source?
lol

 

[oldtimer]

Youtube removed the video

# Cancel culture
(and i hate Michael Moore)

I don't think that we should waste our time and energy to hate any one person,

This is more about having a collective effort on the part of Humanity to save this Planet.

Even those whom we might not like or agree with can play an important role in bringing certain subjects to our attention and make us think about them.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

The answer is more complex than watching a video, burning down forests and mining coal.

Basically, it comes down to some simple questions:

1. Do you care?
2. Are you willing to change?
3. If so, what are you going to do?

Where there is a will, there is a way...FYI, it's not propaganda, it's reality.

See: Earth Matters

 

[NickB]

Fusion power = carbon neutral

Eventually we will harvest energy from the stars.......https://phys.org/news/2014-02-harvest-energy-star.html

Have a read up on the Kardashev scale to see how long it might take though......

https://futurism.com/the-kardashev-scale-type-i-ii-iii-iv-v-civilization

 

[Cannuck]

Because of human nature we are the enemy to the Earth

It's not a conflict of terms ie. human vs nature. It is more likely a conflict of interest and motive. Perhaps greed is a condition, but the ability to change is what makes us human. We are part of the ecosystem, but conditioned to overconsumption. In the past we didn't know any better, that's how we developed, so our systems have continued along that path.

 

[pb]

ALL energy on the Earth comes from the Sun. It gets stored in plants and then in animals who eat plants, and in animals who eat these animals etc. It gets stored in fossils and per extension in carbon, crude oil etc. It causes winds by heating some areas more than the others. Even when we think about atomic energy, well, we got these atoms from the Sun in the first place... So in the end, wherever we take the energy from, it's basically the same energy. Which leaves us with the question of efficiency. Burning biomass is as inefficient as it gets. It's the way our ancestors heated their caves. Burning fossil fuels is slightly more efficient but has a much worse effect on the environment, because we are releasing carbon to the atmosphere that has been bound for millions of years. Then we have things like wind power, hydropower, geothermal energy, tides, atom etc. etc. but why not just get the solar energy directly, since 1) we know how and 2) we can transport it and we can store it (so the arguments that there is no solar energy at night - are a bit naive...). I strongly believe solar is the best source of energy for the future world and I hope we keep moving in this direction...

 

[branding]

Unfortunately with the Pandemic the Environmental issues have kind of been pushed to the back burner

In the US maybe but over here in the EU the environmental issue has gone up on the agenda, specifically during the pandemic. CO2, NOx reduction. It gets pushed by the government big time.

Looking at solar energy, this has been booming business in 2020. Most companies installing them are booked for years.

There's a trend of people spending their money on home improvement, greener, more sustainable. People who are not financially suffering at the moment have extra money to spare. It's noticeable.

Personally, my house is almost 100% self sustainable. The environment is important to me. I was mocked in the early days for driving an electric car. Now all the cool club kids gather in line to buy a Tesla. So good things do come from all past efforts made by people and governments.

That being said, solar and wind energy isn't gonna cut it. For the time being my best bet is nuclear power, if we don't change our lifestyles enough there's no way a green alternative will fuel all our energy needs.

The only solution imo is simpler, sustainable smaller living. Less waste, buy more second hand. Buy wooden stuf instead of plastic crap. Give up on some luxury and focus on what's important. Don't throw stuff away, trade it, recycle it. Don't buy new stuff that you want, buy new stuff that you need. You don't need that iPhone. You don't need that new car. You don't need that new TV. You don't need that new pair of sneakers. You get the gist. In other words, stop consuming for the kicks, for the want, to feed the addiction.

Be gentle with mother earth people. Your kids will thank you for it.

 

[biggie]

We've all seen the "save the Earth" propaganda.

With keywords like below.

Sustainable/sustainability
Green
Eco
Carbon emissions
Carbon Neutral
green house gases
Global Warming
Pollution

Hi

IF, and that's a big if....

if you think it's propaganda
then, yes,
your denial of climate change predictions and/or lack of contributions either physically or mentality to help sustain the planet -
are the things that would make "save the earth" become a lie, in the future.

because, the future is judgement day
and from that point in time, only then, can you reflect to the past
to see how mother nature, has responded in return.

but another question might be
in this future
if, save the earth is a lie, then what kind of hu-mans will we be
what resources will we have left
what will be quality of drinking water, the lakes, streams, oceans, rivers and ponds
will it still rain where it used to rain, will sand blow in the wind, instead of willows?
what level of mutation will virus' have reached?
is there any oil left, have we dug out all the coal..... now what separates the land from the earth core
will it still turn like it used to?

puff, puff..... just saying
what's the chance of that happening, right?
but are you, yeah you, willing to bet your life and your grandchildren's' lives, by polluting the planet where one can breathe fresh air, and hopefully, one day....do so without having to wear a mask?

imo...

 

[Cannuck]

Is 'save the earth' a lie? (according science or Trump?)

The world's biggest C02 polluters - Top 10 -


China (10,357 million metric tons/year)

USA (5,414 million metric tons/year)

India (2,274 Million metric tons)

Russia (1,617 million metric tons/year)

Japan (1,237 million metric tons)

Germany (798 million metric tons/year)

Iran (648 million metric tons/year)

Saudi Arabia (601 million metric tons/year)

South Korea (592 million metric tons/year)

Canada (557 million metric tons/year)

...'nuff said, you decide.

https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/who-are-the-worlds-biggest-polluters-1.1572250802844?slide=1

 

[lock]

Back to the subject and hopefully the future of the Earth ?

The future depends on you.

 

[Cannuck]

Thanks for the question... To follow up, don't take my word for it. Educate yourself. If you conceive and believe, you can achieve. For me, freedom and independence is important. I also value my time, privacy and security. I made it my goal and came up with my own plan, it doesn't work for everyone. You have to be able to engineer (mechanical and electrical), fabricate, repair and harvest - agriculture and/or hunt and fish.

If you want to learn about our hidden history. . .

You will see that Nikola Tesla was merely a branch of the old world, sharing pieces of wisdom from a very peaceful time when the world functioned in a state of abundance, rather than contrived scarcity models like we have seen.

Our world once was electrified through the ether and we harvested the energy for electricity that way.

A deep rabbit hole for all you red-pillers.

Yup, that's when Tesla was shut down by JP Morgan, a globalist who was more concerned about profits and capitalism than sharing the abundance of science and nature.

 

[oldtimer]

The only solution imo is simpler, sustainable smaller living. Less waste, buy more second hand. Buy wooden stuf instead of plastic crap. Give up on some luxury and focus on what's important. Don't throw stuff away, trade it, recycle it. Don't buy new stuff that you want, buy new stuff that you need. You don't need that iPhone. You don't need that new car. You don't need that new TV. You don't need that new pair of sneakers. You get the gist. In other words, stop consuming for the kicks, for the want, to feed the addiction.

Be gentle with mother earth people. Your kids will thank you for it.

Those ideas make sense,

In another thread I had suggested to make everything such as homes, cars, appliances, furniture, and tools for example more sturdy so that they can be used by several generations at a time instead of lasting just for a very short time relatively, although people can still have jobs by remodeling and repairing those things. Also there should be some laws passed as far as how big of a home and how many cars each person can own and beyond a certain number and size people should be required to have a very good justification for it.

IMO

I'm a furniture restorer in my spare time and I like nothing better than returning an antique chair or table back to its best and save it from just beong burned or indeed being put into landfil.

Regards,

Reddstagg

That's very good that you restore furniture,

As I mentioned above if we can make things more sturdy and restore them so that they can be used by several generations over a long period of time that might help to prevent a lot of the natural resources from going to waste and to keep so much junk out of the landfills.

IMO

 

[branding]

Those ideas make sense,

In another thread I had suggested to make everything such as homes, cars, appliances, furniture, and tools for example more sturdy so that they can be used by several generations at a time instead of lasting just for a very short time relatively, although people can still have jobs by remodeling and repairing those things. Also there should be some laws passed as far as how big of a home and how many cars each person can own and beyond a certain number and size people should be required to have a very good justification for it.

IMO

Good thinking. If we would be willing/able to adjust our mindset to make this the norm that would have a huge impact. I guess we should be done with biggering about things that don't matter, are trivial, and join each other in the quest to make earth great again. Pun intended

 

[oldtimer]

Good thinking. If we would be willing/able to adjust our mindset to make this the norm that would have a huge impact. I guess we should be done with biggering about things that don't matter, are trivial, and join each other in the quest to make earth great again. Pun intended

I personally am not 100% committed to any of the existing parties or ideologies, my policy is to support anyone or any group that wants to do good for the Humanity and our Home Planet and to criticize those who want to continue following their fanatical and flawed agendas of the past regardless of which political or other affiliations they might have.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

So not really suppressed, but shelved or put on hold.

Whatever you like to call it, but it has caused us to fall behind in developing better and cleaner sources of energy by at least 50 years which would have made a big difference in preventing Global Warming and all the damage to the Environment that we are stuck with now.

IMO

 

[lock]

All the pollution won't destroy the earth it will just destroy ourselves the earth will just eventually move those elements back where it wants them.

 

[CraigD]

Those ideas make sense,

In another thread I had suggested to make everything such as homes, cars, appliances, furniture, and tools for example more sturdy so that they can be used by several generations at a time instead of lasting just for a very short time relatively, although people can still have jobs by remodeling and repairing those things. Also there should be some laws passed as far as how big of a home and how many cars each person can own and beyond a certain number and size people should be required to have a very good justification for it.

IMO



That's very good that you restore furniture,

As I mentioned above if we can make things more sturdy and restore them so that they can be used by several generations over a long period of time that might help to prevent a lot of the natural resources from going to waste and to keep so much junk out of the landfills.

IMO

I agree.

Half the problem today is that we live in a disposable society. People buy cheap rubbish and have to keep replacing it every few years. It ends up as landfill.

IKEA is a major problem, as is the apparel and textile industry.

I've always kept old hardware, tools, furniture etc. When it does breakdown, I spend a bit of time and/or money on repairs.

I buy clothes from op-shops when I can. Jeans, coats, shirts etc.

I've never owned a car. I catch public transport.

I have been living this way for over 30-years. I make very little difference, but I feel better about my 'footprint'.

 

[Alop]

Because of human nature we are the enemy to the Earth

 

[NickB]

Cold Fusion has some advantages over other energy sources if it can be made to be safe, but going with natural renewable choices such as solar and wind are probably going to become a more popular option in the immediate future specially when the new generation of more efficient batteries come to market soon that can make things run without any interruptions.

IMO

Have a read of this

https://www.powermag.com/fusion-energy-is-coming-and-maybe-sooner-than-you-think

It goes into Fusion development in quite a lot detail - it helped me understand the general principals and pro's and con's of it being a viable energy source - some of it got a bit to technical for me though

 

[Cannuck]

To address the main point: Is it a lie? Not a lie. But it wil take time, effort and a will to change our patterns and old habits die hard. There's an old saying, "You can't fight City Hall". That refers to the government. Now most governments of the world have joined forces to address the problem. But there remains a resistance. Some use the term Globalism to promote their propaganda and remain fixed in the old way of doing things - like major oil companies and food production consortiums aren't globalist?

I live off the grid, using wind and solar, and I have yet to kill a single bird, except to eat. I am not concerned about about lack of power or food and am not dependent on the government for protection.

 

[Compassion]

If you want to learn about our hidden history. . .

You will see that Nikola Tesla was merely a branch of the old world, sharing pieces of wisdom from a very peaceful time when the world functioned in a state of abundance, rather than contrived scarcity models like we have seen.

Our world is electrified through the ether and we harvested the energy for electricity that way.

A deep rabbit hole for all you red-pillers.

 

[Cannuck]

I used to think in terms of how I can help to save the planet. At that time, people were not very interested in the subject of the environment. However, in the process, I did mange to learn a thing or two. Still today, most are more concerned with making money than the future of the planet. Macro-economics and politics are intertwined. That's when leadership must have foresight and be educated on issues beyond their border and beyond the short-term. The current political situation and medical mess has distracted the masses and folks can't seem to break free. War is another. People are confused and scarcely know what to believe.

Now I think in terms of micro-economics, how I can provide for my family and myself within a community of like-minded, friendly people. I've worked long and hard to realize a sense of freedom and independence. It takes sacrifice, mental preparation and physical effort. It's not a competition. When I feel the time is ripe, and it will soon be, there will be a market for such ideas. Until then, I'll just keep living the dream, lol.

 

[Alop]

You guys are awesome

Here is a song on the topic : )

 

[eyedomainous]

ALL energy on the Earth comes from the Sun. ... I strongly believe solar is the best source of energy for the future world and I hope we keep moving in this direction...

I agree solar is the best energy source... when its beamed down from solar satellites, as solar panels are quite toxic to make and dispose of.

And while I really like your post, "ALL energy on the Earth" does NOT come from the sun;

- Tidal energy comes from the moon
- Energy from batteries comes from the chemical decay of materials
- Nuclear (energy) isotopes in earth's mantle are older than the sun
- Deep-sea volcanic (geothermal) vents power ecosystems independent of the sun
...

 

[oldtimer]

I'm not sure that anything of this importance can be supressed.

Perhaps shelved for the time being, or stopped because it was a dead-end.

Can you give any examples?

Believe it or not there were electric cars almost a 100 years ago, but the fossil fuel Industry somehow managed to suppress their advancement till very recently.

The oil companies and the politicians who have gotten rich for the past 100 years at the expense of ruining our Planet have known for a long time that there were other and better sources of energy that were cleaner and more efficient, but chose to go the easy way by burning coal, trees, and oil.

IMO