opinion Is it time to sell, buy or hold LLLL.coms?

[Arpit131]

Seeing the recent rise in values of LLLL.com domains, here is a question that I think some of the others would also be having :

Is it the right time to flip your already owned LLLL.com at this price?
Or
Hold it for future so as to have a higher ROI?
Or
Buy it at this price because you think it is going to sell for even higher prices in the near or far future?

Your opinions about their pricing lately??

 

[DomainVP]

I can't imagine that ordinary domainers (like us, or our Chinese counterparts) are buying these domains. The price point is prohibitive for pure speculation, especially on the average domainer's budget. Domainer frenzy (ie the blind following the blind) may have explained the dramatic 2007 price hike, around the time of the buyout. But cannot explain this one.

Who is buying these domains now? The answer to that question will shed a lot of light on where prices are most likely to go from here.

It's definitely domainer driven.

Domainers are paying these prices; check the threads of any 4L auction here. I just saw one for $900+, nothing special about it besides the fact that they considered it a 'premium pinyin domain'.

I offloaded mine a few months ago at $300 - $500 each. Those buyers now need to either hold or make a profit, in most cases it's to make a profit... so the prices rise... then those buyers need to either hold or make a profit... and so the prices rise...

If I'm buying a domain at $900 you better be darn sure I'm expecting some kind of $10k+ return at the least.

The thing is... there isn't much end user buying going on, and if there is they are paying a small margin more than what the current prices are.

It's a bit fishy when you can pick up a 4L with a vowel for $100, but one without is $900, the expense is disproportionate to the volume. Don't get me wrong, I 'get' where all this is coming from, but when the flipping stops and the end user sales don't support the buys... it's going to be a rude awakening.

I know it's not what 4L people want to hear, but it is my opinion - right or wrong.

 

[Shams]

Don't get me wrong, I 'get' where all this is coming from, but when the flipping stops and the end user sales don't support the buys... it's going to be a rude awakening..

I'm totally agree with you. In 4L sale huge risk is involved but its risk which every domainer willing to take. Like Domainers did in 3L.

 

[krx]

It's definitely domainer driven.

Domainers are paying these prices; check the threads of any 4L auction here. I just saw one for $900+, nothing special about it besides the fact that they considered it a 'premium pinyin domain'.

I'm not convinced that what's happening here at namepros is indicative of what's happening in the larger market. I think you are seeing domainers following the trend. But I'm not sure they started the trend or are the main force keeping it going. All the emails that are going to holders of Chinese premium LLLL.coms are from Chinese buyers who are looking to vacuum them up in large quantities. I believe most of the sales being reported on LLLLsales.com are also from Chinese buyers. Maybe these are just our Chinese domainer counterparts, but maybe not. Maybe there is a bigger play being made. Until we can establish who is buying them, not here on namepros but out there in the larger market, we won't really know whether this is just a bubble that is going to burst or a true, sustainable, market shift.

 

[21x20]

When people talk about China, they just talk about China and don't usually reference that it's just a group of 1,400,000,000 people. I referenced this in a 6N thread... But when you consider the size of the audience, the supply of 4L is still very small.

I offloaded mine a few months ago at $300 - $500 each. Those buyers now need to either hold or make a profit, in most cases it's to make a profit... so the prices rise... then those buyers need to either hold or make a profit... and so the prices rise...

If I'm buying a domain at $900 you better be darn sure I'm expecting some kind of $10k+ return at the least.

This is sorta 6 of one and half dozen of another. If you sold them and then were able to put that money into something that you feel will rise in value at an equally high rate as you've seen before, then you've done well. That's the name of the buy low, sell high game.

Is it just $900 for a single name that you expect 1000% return? Or is it just anytime you invest $900 in anything, be it one or a group of names you expect 1000% return?

When I get an offer on a name, I weigh the offer against what I would do with the money. Is the offer worth taking the time find something else to re-invest -- can I find something that's a good enough deal to make it worth while. If I can't answer yes, I tend to not do the deal... Unless I'm looking to splurge on something, which has happened.

 

[main]

Simply because there are 3 options: Prices continue going up, prices stabilize, or prices go down. 2/3 those options don't make me money.

One has to assess the likelihood of each scenario.

 

[ramkumaritrvs]

If you have 5+ then sell few and save few

 

[ODST.com]

Let's all take into consideration the law of supply and demand here. Demand is rising while supply has and will remain constant for all time and eternity.

 

[gladdy]

On Godaddy, there is only ~230 chinese premiums left, where BIN price is lower than $2K
two days ago there was ~270 of them.

 

[Asfas1000]

One has to assess the likelihood of each scenario.

Exactly, and also the likely profit / loss.

 

[OIOF71]

I am broker in china.

LLLLs.com (exclude u,o,i,e,a,v) are about 1,000 USD over
I think the price will go to 2,000 USD.

You can check the price thru this website (chaomi.cc)
ps. USD = RMB / 6

 

[NPer]

I am broker in china.

LLLLs.com (exclude u,o,i,e,a,v) are about 1,000 USD over
I think the price will go to 2,000 USD.

You can check the price thru this website (chaomi.cc)
ps. USD = RMB / 6

The supply is running out. Once sold, they are gone-and hoarded.

$2k for a rare piece of the internet is... bargain pricing.

There are some who are voicing their concerns around their budget and why they cannot consider spending even a tiny fraction of $2k on rare and sought-after LLLL.com investments... but that only applies to them and certainly does not reflect other peoples' budgets and the quality of investments that others are accustomed to IMO.

 

[krx]

I am broker in china.

LLLLs.com (exclude u,o,i,e,a,v) are about 1,000 USD over
I think the price will go to 2,000 USD.

You can check the price thru this website (chaomi.cc)
ps. USD = RMB / 6

Do you have any insight into who is buying up all these domains? Is it a lot of individual domain speculators or mostly just a few larger operations?

 

[OIOF71]

1.who buy those LLLL names?
- Domain reselling companies in china. 5~20 workers in a company send spam offer(under $500) email to all of you everyday.
2. why chinese company need LLLL name?
- chinese company name is very long, so they use it for acronym.
3. why they don't like vowels and v ?
- most of first letter of noun is consonant and chinese type v as umlaut u.
4. why they like number?
- easy to remember and similar pronunciation (1688 = alibaba)
5. who buy number?
- china casino company buying number domains (4645.com) - illeagl in china. so they have server in philppine.
- check 69999.com . (0=nothing, 4=death / 6=need,8=rich,9=long life)

 

[Genius327]

1.who buy those LLLL names?
- Domain reselling companies in china. 5~20 workers in a company send spam offer(under $500) email to all of you everyday.
2. why chinese company need LLLL name?
- chinese company name is very long, so they use it for acronym.
3. why they don't like vowels and v ?
- most of first letter of noun is consonant and chinese type v as umlaut u.
4. why they like number?
- easy to remember and similar pronunciation (1688 = alibaba)
5. who buy number?
- china casino company buying number domains (4645.com) - illeagl in china. so they have server in philppine.
- check 69999.com . (0=nothing, 4=death / 6=need,8=rich,9=long life)

Thank you for your time for explaining everything!

Couple of questions on which I believe you can shed on light on :

1. Do you think Chinese will eventually start buying all LLLL.com with the vowels as the supply for Chinese premium LLLL.com becomes less everyday?

2. And do you have any investing strategies of your own with the current market situation which you can share with us? In other words, are you looking to buy something in particular which you think will increase in value in China in some time?

3. Where do you see Chinese premium LLLL.coms' value in 1 year?

Thanks,
Shahil

 

[ResoluteDomains]

..............
4. why they like number?
- easy to remember and similar pronunciation (1688 = alibaba)
...........

THANKS! for those answers! For #4, is there a site that can do a good job translating the Chinese company name into a numeric value? For example, we enter "alibaba" and it spits out "1688".

 

[Genius327]

THANKS! for those answers! For #4, is there a site that can do a good job translating the Chinese company name into a numeric value? For example, we enter "alibaba" and it spits out "1688".

That might not be possible at all because number pronunciations are limited so everything cannot be pronounced in numbers, but you can do it the other way around. Simply go to Google translate and write 1 6 8 8 (with spaces) and listen to the Chinese translation. Ha!

It sounds more like yolubaba :D

Edit: actually 2 6 8 8 is more like it. :P

 

[yes ofcourse]

My honest opinion.

There are 456976 possible combinations. Who knows how many owners and who knows what are their interests. Include demand/sale of all other domains, which influence the price of 4L.com and you get yourself in a position, where you can not make any productive analysis. It would be pure specualation.

But two things are certain:

1. Prices will change.
2. Prices will either go up, or down, there is no third way.

So, if I would hold any 4l.com I would rather go in developing action scenarious for plan a (prices going up) or plan b (prices going down). I think this would save you much more time and energy

 

[ResoluteDomains]

That might not be possible at all because number pronunciations are limited so everything cannot be pronounced in numbers, but you can do it the other way around. Simply go to Google translate and write 1 6 8 8 (with spaces) and listen to the Chinese translation. Ha!

It sounds more like yolubaba :D

Edit: actually 2 6 8 8 is more like it. :P

haha! thanks! thats cool!

 

[djum]

When I get an offer on a name, I weigh the offer against what I would do with the money. Is the offer worth taking the time find something else to re-invest -- can I find something that's a good enough deal to make it worth while. If I can't answer yes, I tend to not do the deal... Unless I'm looking to splurge on something, which has happened.

I make money on the buy.
That's when I setup my selling price and potential ROI.
Then, when I get offer I check it with the current market and if it's within the range I sell.
No need to think much, just stick to your plan.
All the thinking happens when you develop investment plan.

 

[OIOF71]

Thank you for your time for explaining everything!

Couple of questions on which I believe you can shed on light on :

1. Do you think Chinese will eventually start buying all LLLL.com with the vowels as the supply for Chinese premium LLLL.com becomes less everyday?

-> I don't think so. except cvcv, vcvc

2. And do you have any investing strategies of your own with the current market situation which you can share with us? In other words, are you looking to buy something in particular which you think will increase in value in China in some time?

-> Registeration domain for targeting china market was finished at 2004~2008. I think.
About only 3 types (.com , .cc, .cn.)
I believe domain market size should follow websites numbers' growth.
China will be big market in Asia, even though govn't has regulation (like blocking facebook, google, youtube.. in china)
I am not investor. I am just broker, even though I started registering domain name at 1997
I suggest you having india domain name (.in) and india pronunciation language (.com) from now on.

3. Where do you see Chinese premium LLLL.coms' value in 1 year?

-> I don't know what is premium or not.
When china company buy LLLL.com, they also expend lots of advertisment fee for acknowledge LLLL as their service. Rich china people like to buy keyword domain name like che.com (car) , fang.com (realeste) than LLLL.com
I guess chinese reseller will sell LLLL.com(without a,e,i,o,u,v) to their client (5k~10k) after 1 year.

Thx

 

[OIOF71]

THANKS! for those answers! For #4, is there a site that can do a good job translating the Chinese company name into a numeric value? For example, we enter "alibaba" and it spits out "1688".

1 is better than 2.
1 (yi or yao) and 6 (lyo) similar to 要 （need）
1688 : need x2 rich x2

-- Number ----
065 forgive me
56 无聊
52094 我爱你到死
065 原谅我
58 晚安
52406 我爱死你了
06537 你惹我生气
74 KISS
53406 我想死你了
066 你来了
90 go
53550 我想吻吻你
07382 你欺善怕恶
147 一世情
53719 我深情依旧
07414 你去试一试
168 一路发
53770 我想亲亲你
0748 你去死吧
etc...

--- 4 Letter (excluding a,e,i,o,u,v) ---
mfbj.com 免费、买房、美肤、美孚/北京、搬家、保健、白酒
Xfjj.com 幸福家居、先锋家居、家教、基金等
Lfjj.com 丽芙家居等家居类，以及基金类
nyyh.com 农业银行 南粤银行 农业一号等
ypLx.com 游谱旅行，刚获千万投资，留学等
hmsx.com 惠买生鲜，黑马生鲜等
znyf.com 智能优房 药房等
khyg.com 葵花阳光，农业类终端 **易购
Lsgf.com 零食工坊，零食大终端，数千店面
fndz.com 蜂鸟定制，飞牛定制，飞鸟定制等
xynz.com 地名加农庄，农业类农资
yajf.com 云岸金服等，雅安地名，jf家纺等
cxht.com 海淘类
hrwt.com 海润万通企业，涉及地产房产传媒
yisg.com 易收购等
yezg.com 育儿中国，誉恩中国


Thanks to old people who made difficult chinese letter
hehe.

 

[Ted.T]

1 is better than 2.
1 (yi or yao) and 6 (lyo) similar to 要 （need）
1688 : need x2 rich x2

-- Number ----
065 forgive me
56 无聊
52094 我爱你到死
065 原谅我
58 晚安
52406 我爱死你了
06537 你惹我生气
74 KISS
53406 我想死你了
066 你来了
90 go
53550 我想吻吻你
07382 你欺善怕恶
147 一世情
53719 我深情依旧
07414 你去试一试
168 一路发
53770 我想亲亲你
0748 你去死吧
etc...

--- 4 Letter (excluding a,e,i,o,u,v) ---
mfbj.com 免费、买房、美肤、美孚/北京、搬家、保健、白酒
Xfjj.com 幸福家居、先锋家居、家教、基金等
Lfjj.com 丽芙家居等家居类，以及基金类
nyyh.com 农业银行 南粤银行 农业一号等
ypLx.com 游谱旅行，刚获千万投资，留学等
hmsx.com 惠买生鲜，黑马生鲜等
znyf.com 智能优房 药房等
khyg.com 葵花阳光，农业类终端 **易购
Lsgf.com 零食工坊，零食大终端，数千店面
fndz.com 蜂鸟定制，飞牛定制，飞鸟定制等
xynz.com 地名加农庄，农业类农资
yajf.com 云岸金服等，雅安地名，jf家纺等
cxht.com 海淘类
hrwt.com 海润万通企业，涉及地产房产传媒
yisg.com 易收购等
yezg.com 育儿中国，誉恩中国


Thanks to old people who made difficult chinese letter
hehe.

I see some vowels here. Are YA, YI and YE considered good combinations?

 

[BrandChimp]

Wait another 6 months

 

[OIOF71]

I see some vowels here. Are YA, YI and YE considered good combinations?

51 = wo yao ( I need)
51 + noun .... good combination
ex) 51job.com

 

[BrandChimp]

1 is better than 2.
1 (yi or yao) and 6 (lyo) similar to 要 （need）
1688 : need x2 rich x2

-- Number ----
065 forgive me
56 无聊
52094 我爱你到死
065 原谅我
58 晚安
52406 我爱死你了
06537 你惹我生气
74 KISS
53406 我想死你了
066 你来了
90 go
53550 我想吻吻你
07382 你欺善怕恶
147 一世情
53719 我深情依旧
07414 你去试一试
168 一路发
53770 我想亲亲你
0748 你去死吧
etc...

--- 4 Letter (excluding a,e,i,o,u,v) ---
mfbj.com 免费、买房、美肤、美孚/北京、搬家、保健、白酒
Xfjj.com 幸福家居、先锋家居、家教、基金等
Lfjj.com 丽芙家居等家居类，以及基金类
nyyh.com 农业银行 南粤银行 农业一号等
ypLx.com 游谱旅行，刚获千万投资，留学等
hmsx.com 惠买生鲜，黑马生鲜等
znyf.com 智能优房 药房等
khyg.com 葵花阳光，农业类终端 **易购
Lsgf.com 零食工坊，零食大终端，数千店面
fndz.com 蜂鸟定制，飞牛定制，飞鸟定制等
xynz.com 地名加农庄，农业类农资
yajf.com 云岸金服等，雅安地名，jf家纺等
cxht.com 海淘类
hrwt.com 海润万通企业，涉及地产房产传媒
yisg.com 易收购等
yezg.com 育儿中国，誉恩中国


Thanks to old people who made difficult chinese letter
hehe.

1 is better than 2 but is 11 better than 22?