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Is GW Bush A Nixon Clone?

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President George Bush's claims about what will happen if we pull out of Iraq is almost word-for-word identical to Richard Nixon's speech explaining why we must not pull out of Vietnam.

A "precipitate withdrawal" would result in a bloodbath, destabilization of Southeast Asia, would embolden our enemies and result in more war not less, Nixon said. And that is what Bush is saying, if you substitute "Middle East" for "Southeast Asia."

Nixon succeeded not in winning the war in Vietnam, but in prolonging it until 21,000 more young Americans died in the jungles and rice paddies. Then we withdrew, and none of Nixon's predictions came true.

To draw a further parallel, we got into the Vietnam War because the people who put us there: (1) didn't know the history; (2) didn't speak the language; (3) didn't understand the culture; and (4) arrogantly assumed that American firepower and technology could overcome any and all obstacles.

The Vietnamese were able to defeat us, despite our superiority in firepower and technology, because it was their country and we were foreign invaders. The people were on their side, not ours. They knew they could wear us down. They were willing to lose millions of people, and we weren't.

The current president, who really does seem to occupy a state of denial, has always refused to accept the fact that most of the opposition to our occupation of Iraq is simply Iraqis who don't want foreigners occupying their country. He has always tried to blame the resistance on outsiders โ€“ al-Qaeda or Iran or Syria. There are some outsiders in Iraq, but they wouldn't survive two days if it were not for the American occupation.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese355.html

To be honest, I've always been something of a Nixon fan.. not too keen on Dubya tho.
 
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History repeats itself...
Wars are often made of lies and manipulation and the US is no exception.
Yesterday it was the Gulf of Tonkin incident, later it was the so-called WMDs.
The same old tricks always work ;)
 
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there is no US president in history that you can compare with Bush. if there is anybody in history that you want to compare him with it could be king george...with the exception of the taxation w/out representation issue...and those funky wig they used to wear back then....
 
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Nixon didn't send anyone to Vietnam (he wasn't President!), I believe JFK sent the original lot over.

But yes, I can see parallels. i.e. He'll be ridiculed for the rest of his life.
 
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To quote the article:
A "precipitate withdrawal" would result in a bloodbath, destabilization of Southeast Asia, would embolden our enemies and result in more war not less, Nixon said.

And that is exactly what happened. Millions were murdered by the Communists
is Cambodia.

Vietnam was a war started by Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson.
And after losing thousand of American lives, the Democrats decided they
didn't want us to fight it anymore. The Vietnam war was not Nixon's war.

In Iraq, just like in Vietnam, the Democrats betrayed our soldiers after voting
to send them off to war. Most Democratic leaders now sound like
propaganda ministers for Al Queda. They encourage our enemies to
keep on fighting by promising them victory when the Democrats come
to power. The Democrats want to return to power so much that they
are willing to sacrifice American safety and lives to do so.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man and we were on the side of the angels
when we invaded Iraq.
 
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I can see your points, as well as those of the "Democrats".. however, if we look beyond those in government, I think we would find overwhelmingly that the average American also wants to see an end to the bloodshed in Iraq, not to mention the average Iraqi citizen.

I personally believe we had no business invading Iraq in the first place, angels or no. IMO, we've succeeded in only destabilizing the entire region and bringing untold complications to the story. I don't feel our continued involvement in Iraq can do anything but more harm. When we leave, whenever we leave, various nefarious factions will ooze in to fill the vacuum we've created and things will go back to the way they were before we got there, or worse. We, as in Vietnam, miscalculated and it's time to cut our losses. Throwing more bodies into the breech won't solve the cultural or political problems we've brought to the fore.

I don't like the fact that we've publicized a timetable for withdrawal but what other solutions are there other than another unsuccessful 20 yr war we cannot win?




dna said:
To quote the article:
A "precipitate withdrawal" would result in a bloodbath, destabilization of Southeast Asia, would embolden our enemies and result in more war not less, Nixon said.

And that is exactly what happened. Millions were murdered by the Communists
is Cambodia.

Vietnam was a war started by Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson.
And after losing thousand of American lives, the Democrats decided they
didn't want us to fight it anymore. The Vietnam war was not Nixon's war.

In Iraq, just like in Vietnam, the Democrats betrayed our soldiers after voting
to send them off to war. Most Democratic leaders now sound like
propaganda ministers for Al Queda. They encourage our enemies to
keep on fighting by promising them victory when the Democrats come
to power. The Democrats want to return to power so much that they
are willing to sacrifice American safety and lives to do so.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man and we were on the side of the angels
when we invaded Iraq.
 
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dna said:
To quote the article:

And that is exactly what happened. Millions were murdered by the Communists
is Cambodia.

Vietnam was a war started by Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson.
And after losing thousand of American lives, the Democrats decided they
didn't want us to fight it anymore. The Vietnam war was not Nixon's war.

In Iraq, just like in Vietnam, the Democrats betrayed our soldiers after voting
to send them off to war. Most Democratic leaders now sound like
propaganda ministers for Al Queda. They encourage our enemies to
keep on fighting by promising them victory when the Democrats come
to power. The Democrats want to return to power so much that they
are willing to sacrifice American safety and lives to do so.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man and we were on the side of the angels
when we invaded Iraq.


Democrats and 90% of the nation (except me and a handfull of 'unpatriotic traitors') approved the war because they were scared sh!tless from the of false evidence presented by the whitehouse. We invaded iraq under false pretenses and created more enemies than we had to begin with. There were WMD's in Iraq, Al Qaeda was not in iraq... not only that, but circumstances surrounding 9/11 have come under question these days...


Power corrupts. I am comforted in the idea that maybe one day all corrupt leaders will stand naked in front God; explaining how they justified evil actions and began senseless wars in His name.
 
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I don't think so but the parallels are striking.
 
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