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I'm thinkiing...George W. Bush could be the unluckiest american president of them all...

100 days into his first term...9/11 happened.
The the War on Iraq.
The economy
then
Hurricane Katrina.

Bush may not be doing a good job...but I'm thinking this could be the best he can do...What do you think?
 
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The point is, that highly contraversial films like that don't get as far as they do, without having a large amount of truth in them

Not really, films don't really get anywhere with facts. The get somewhere because people want to watch them and in this case want to believe them.

Bush is indirectly related to Fema, but let me make a point here that continues to be overlooked. Check the news and history on this one. This was only the 2nd time in history Fema was live pre-storm. Ultimately, managing Fema now falls under the Department of Homeland Security and Michael Chertoff. Bush did appoint Chertoff (which I didn't agree with) and I think this disaster proves his incompetency for the position. This is the same response after a terror attack.

I think Chertoff needs to be removed. Fema has always had issues as there are still problems from when Andrew hit Florida 13 years ago. I think Chertoff just has made it that much worse. However, he's not the only one and it goes back to what I've said before, we failed at all levels of government.

CT, I know you told me to get my facts straight in the other thread but I'm sorry. A state has to request help before any action is taken by the US government, how ridiculous isn't that? How bad do things have to get? Did the US gov think the local authorities were going to figure this disaster out on their own?

I agree that this is a clusmy process but it has its reasons I suppose. The thing is the government can only do what it's allowed to do. States and local governments must declare that they need the help first and then federal steps in. Bush (to an extent) did what he could do in the situation by activating Fema early on but those 12 hours the mayor of NO wasted could have been better spent. He could have made plans to move at least some people out with those buses (800 buses x 60+ seats x 12 hours). There could have and should have been better planning for such a case - that would have saved the most lives but that also failed. This isn't all Bush's fault by any means and a lot of the responsibility rests on the local government's shoulder's IMHO. Why weren't there better plans instead of throwing up a hail mary with the superdome? That's a local government issue.

eeh?

This was sent to the President on the 28th of August

Disaster Relief Request

And as I said the State of Emergency was cleared 2 days before the storm. This doesn't mean much of anything really, she was asking for the assets that were put in place for the storm.

The interesting thing about this is the mayor didn't evacuate New Orleans until almost two days later... (See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina )
 
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I think it's unfair to leave out other things President Bush has done wrong during his presidency. We've been talking about his mishaps for the War in Iraq, economy, September 11th, and (for some) the hurricane.

But what about his abuse of religion in a secular government? He claims that he talked to God- no literally- talked to God.... before going to war with Iraq. He also tries to use HIS own religion to ban gay marriage and abortion.

And don't get me started on the Patriot Act. There hasn't been more abuse done to our rights since Abe Lincoln came in to office.
 
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movingconcierge said:
I would have kept our troops here...protecting our borders and our citizens. That would have saved a whole lotta loot and we'd be a little bit more secure...I think.

The problem is...after 9/11 Amercian's were screaming to retaliate. Bush responded and dispatched troops. Its too take to recall them now without some broken relationships with one of the richest oil country in the world.
 
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Unluckiest president nah he is simply the worst ;)

I think he was right going to war but looking back esp with the hurricane i think he's just an asshole, many times he's on TV smirking & bumbling on like an half wit...
 
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Colin Behr said:
3. Iraq. Bush invaded Iraq to get rid of WMD's, but where were they?

Ask Russia and France. Theres photos of their trucks at the sites removing what was there.

So we see the NO Mayor is brainless. Not only did he NOT force the people to leave, he also wanted Bush to come AND wanted him to go to work getting aid to the victims. If he is flying down to visit the Mayor how can he be in Washignton doing his job? NO's Mayor failed yet again.

If he wanted Bush to get aid there fast why did he ask him to visit? If he wanted Bush to visit why did he tell him to "get off his ass and get to work"?

Face it the Mayor failed. He had buses that could have removed MANY people yet they now sit in a flood.

Also FEMA cant do its job as it is set up. Why? Because as the man on TV said FEMA is set up to give people CASH to their bank accounts to help them. Most of the ones that didnt leave have NO bank accounts.

I put all the blame on the people that stayed when they were told to leave. If I was told by the news that a tornado was headed right for my town and the mayor told us to get out I sure the heck wouldnt stay.

I seen mothers on TV crying because they have no formula for their babies or food for their kids. These mothers are unfit because they left their kids in harms way. The state needs to take the kids off these parents NOW.
 
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Yes very good post here, I
I was thinking the same thing...
very true.
 
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-RJ- said:
How do you think Al Gore or John Kerry would have done handing the same situations? Probably safe to say we would not be in Iraq, but would anything else be different?
Kerry would have said, "I'm going to do something," and then two minutes later... "I'm not going to do anything"

-RJ- said:
Please keep your Bush-bashing to minimum.
:lol: Its ok, it happens.

B-)

-Steve
 
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Steve, just admit it - you love the Bush bashers ;)
 
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ZuraX said:
Ask Russia and France. Theres photos of their trucks at the sites removing what was there.


Can you please provide legitimate links and proof of these pictures.
 
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ZuraX said:
Ask Russia and France. Theres photos of their trucks at the sites removing what was there.

So we see the NO Mayor is brainless. Not only did he NOT force the people to leave, he also wanted Bush to come AND wanted him to go to work getting aid to the victims. If he is flying down to visit the Mayor how can he be in Washignton doing his job? NO's Mayor failed yet again.

If he wanted Bush to get aid there fast why did he ask him to visit? If he wanted Bush to visit why did he tell him to "get off his ass and get to work"?

Face it the Mayor failed. He had buses that could have removed MANY people yet they now sit in a flood.

Also FEMA cant do its job as it is set up. Why? Because as the man on TV said FEMA is set up to give people CASH to their bank accounts to help them. Most of the ones that didnt leave have NO bank accounts.

I put all the blame on the people that stayed when they were told to leave. If I was told by the news that a tornado was headed right for my town and the mayor told us to get out I sure the heck wouldnt stay.

I seen mothers on TV crying because they have no formula for their babies or food for their kids. These mothers are unfit because they left their kids in harms way. The state needs to take the kids off these parents NOW.


I am personally extremely disgusted at the last couple of comments that you made. Imagine that you had NO money apart from benefits because you couldn't find a job, its the end of the month and you have NO money left of your benefits from that month. Someone issues a warning that you should evacuate, but whats the chances of that if you have NO money?

87% of the poor people left were black, that is why so many black people remained in New Orleans. And you saying that the mothers were unfit to look after their own children is disgusting, perhaps you should really think about what you said.

In regards to the WMD in Iraq, I asked about WHERE they were? Not about speculation involving Russia and France. If you have ANY legit proof that Russia and France were supplying Iraq with nuclear weapons, then show me. Hell, France hardly any nuclear weapons, so I don't know how they would be supplying Iraq.
 
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I go back to the argument that show me absolute proof where WMDs were not in Iraq. I agree that there is speculation as to what happened to the weapons but the general fact is we still don't know either way for sure. Personally, I feel that they lie in Syria and no, I don't have a personal satellite pointed at the location.

Anybody remember the bombing runs of the Clinton era on Serbia? We had trouble taking out targets in an area the size of Ohio. Now we have Iraq and we can have faulty intelligence (and by we it's not just America) that creates false WMDs but we cannot have the same faulty intelligence fail to locate WMDs. Obviously, these weapons wouldn't have been stored and created in the open. Operations would have been conducted under various covers and our intelligence isn't what we thought it was clearly. Do the math.

This is, of course, putting aside the oil-for-food connections that I think make both Russia and France very suspect in any dealings with Iraq.

Kerry would have said, "I'm going to do something," and then two minutes later... "I'm not going to do anything"

The Kerry Response: I have a plan for the situation in the Gulf Coast.
The Gore Response: We're sending supplies down and since I created both the red cross and salvation army then things should go well.

Some articles for you guys to read:

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1472349/posts

May I note that these sources are every bit as "reputable" as many of the Moore films.

87% of the poor people left were black, that is why so many black people remained in New Orleans. And you saying that the mothers were unfit to look after their own children is disgusting, perhaps you should really think about what you said.

Given your location across the pond, I'll give you a little room. I can understand his comments in this matter because when you start looking at how many kids these people have the story changes a bit. There are certainly exceptions as there always are but when you have 3+ kids that you know you cannot support there is a problem. Even a wild animal knows by instinct the number of babies it can support. This applies to white, black, pink, gold and so on. I don't play the race card.

Even with that, I want someone to explain to me why the mayor didn't get off his *** and use the buses he had to get those people out. It's a known fact that NO has a large percent of the population under the poverty level and this should have been planned for. That's what I find so hypocritical about his rants against Bush. He failed as much as anyone else. Why didn't he delcare a mandatory evac when the governor of the state declared a state emergency? Why did he wait almost 2 days??
 
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CrazyTech what gets me is they showed people on the NEWS driving to NO with boats to help save people and they got shot at. These people dont want help they just want something to cry about.

I agree about the mayor, they showed well over 100 buses on TV sitting there in a flooded lot. Why didnt he use them?

I dont care how much cash you have. There is always a way to get somewhere. I myself do not have a car right now and I am broke. If they told me to get out I would start walking or calling people I know to ask for help getting out.

What gets me is they keep saying noone tried to help yet I keep seeig over and over again that the helpers are being shot at for trying to help.
 
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