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[*AllThings.tv*]

I am sitting hear listening and reading all of the commentary related to the state of the economy, the financial and credit markets, and the weakened US dollar, and its a little disconcerting.

When I see how much people have lost in the stock market, it makes me feel better to think that some of my portfolio is invested in something I consider worth more than gold. Gold can appreciate but doesn't have the capability to generate recurring revenue like domain names (i.e. as developed websites).

After attending the 1st Annual Global.tv conference, I am excited about the fact that the .tv extension's growth continues to grow. More DOT TV investors, more offers, and more sales in 08 and on!

 

[mckennaronnie]

I am sitting hear listening and reading all of the commentary related to the state of the economy, the financial and credit markets, and the weakened US dollar, and its a little disconcerting.

When I see how much people have lost in the stock market, it makes me feel like better to think that some of my portfolio is invested in something I consider worth more than gold. Gold can appreciate but doesn't have the capability to generate recurring revenue like domain names.

After attending the 1st Annual Global.tv conference, I am excited about the fact that the .tv extension's growth continues to grow. More DOT TV investors, more offers, and more sales in 08 and on!

I feel the same.
So glad my investments were in top class .tv's as these are still showing great growth.
We will probably all have a tough period over the next year & offers may dry up for a while as endusers feel the pinch but stay strong, be brave and you will be paid well int he end. :tu:

I'm loving .tv life at the moment, been such an exciting period over the past year.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

I think its only going to get better for DOT TV. I see you wrote development time for DOT TVers in your signature...what prompted that? (just curious...its definitely true...I am looking into a few different options to push a few of my DOT TV names into development)

 

[snoop]

I wouldn't kid yourself that the domain market is doing any better, it is just illiquid and thus the declines aren't always as apparent. Try and sell some of your names and see just what the market is like. From what I can see of it the domain market generally is down a good 50% or so from the peak of last year and some of the most speculative areas are down more like 80%.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

I wouldn't kid yourself that the domain market is doing any better, it is just illiquid and thus the declines aren't always as apparent. Try and sell some of your names and see just what the market is like. From what I can see of it the domain market generally is down a good 50% or so from the peak of last year and some of the most speculative areas are down more like 80%.

You might want to start drinking the DOT TV kool aid, or just learn to develop those names you own.

The domain market (and DOT TV specifically) is ripe for developers like myself who know how to make orange juice from oranges.

On behalf of all developers, we thank you for supplying us with the names you discount at 80%. Like the others who haven't caught on, you will...and we will still welcome you with open arms.

 

[snoop]

You might want to start drinking the DOT TV kool aid, or just learn to develop those names you own.

The domain market (and DOT TV specifically) is ripe for developers like myself who know how to make orange juice from oranges.

On behalf of all developers, we thank you for supplying us with the names you discount at 80%. Like the others who haven't caught on, you will...and we will still welcome you with open arms.

Two post up you were describing .tv's as something comparable to gold (of which it is nothing like), now you seem to be agreeing that the market is well down? Let's be consisent, either you think the market is strong like gold or you think it has fallen heavily, it can't be both.

 

[MicroGuy]

 

[boboski]

I agree. Good domain names in general IMHO are the "secret" investments to wealth building. Dividends (ad revenue) on a $7 to $25 dollar a year investment. Wait til Google has its way on the mobile phone (I ordered my G1 phone lol) you will see more interest in web surfing via cellphones which will help us immensely. Hulu and Fancast are moving more viewers away from the TV to videos on the web anytime anywhere. Hold on to your good .tv's--don't sell cheap.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

Two post up you were describing .tv's as something comparable to gold (of which it is nothing like), now you seem to be agreeing that the market is well down? Let's be consisent, either you think the market is strong like gold or you think it has fallen heavily, it can't be both.

Hmm, looking for drama are we? I recognize that we are different breeds. You are a domainer and I am developer. I look at domain names with a completely different perspective than you. Whether you can fully comprehend the implications of this, it is a topic for another conversation (i.e. domainer vs. developer).

If you spent some time to carefully read my post and understand its point, you would realize that I value my DOT TV portfolio more than what a gold portfolio would be worth today had I bought it instead of my domain portfolio several years ago.

Even if the gold portfolio would potentially be worth significantly more today (due to appreciation), gold never will have the capability to generate recurring revenue like a seriously developed site (that doesn't depend strictly on PPC income).

I didn't create my DOT portfolio to sell. I put it together to develop. I am not trying to be like Rick Shwartz or the next self-made domainer millionire.

You stated the market isn't good for domain names, not me. I took your statistics as true. I don't mind buying your discounted names at 20% on the dollar and neither do the other DOT TV players. We are here for the long haul. When we have developed sites that throw off constant income with more domains lined up for development, you still will have a domain portfolio that you need to turnover to keep making money.

You have helped me to understand that some domainers will never GET DOT TV. I also want to thank you for helping me to come up with an idea for a T-shirt that I will wear to the 2nd ANNUAL GLOBAL.TV INTERNET EXPO next year in New York (I could get you a special invitation, but I bet you wouldn't come).

On the front, the shirt will have:

DOT TV (in huge letters)

On the back, it will say:

Domainers will never get it!

Think like a developer and not like a domainer and you may better understand why we have such passion and enthusiasm for the DOT TV brand. Even if you don't we still love you and we are all in this industry together. The better we do invidually, the better we do together. Your success doesn't make me less successful and vice versa.

 

[snoop]

This was your statement,

it makes me feel like better to think that some of my portfolio is invested in something I consider worth more than gold

....so not much point saying "I didn't create my DOT portfolio to sell." because you keep talking about the value of you portfolio.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

Again, snoop, no offense, but I was sharing my feelings.

it makes me feel like better to think that some of my portfolio is invested in something I consider worth more than gold.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Allthings

There are many here who completely understand what you are saying. Sadly, there are others who are still 'back in the day', still getting their kicks at Radio Shack, and assuming that the only way to get revenue from domain names is to buy typos and wait for the bad spellers to come and chuck them 2 cents a time.

In their world Cash is Cash from any angle - and creativity never gets its head through the door.

I firmly believe that the global conditions DO have a massive effect on the value of domains. However, for those with 'future proofed names' there is absolutely no chance they would sell them at a loss. They would most likely sell their furniture first!

A few days ago I offered a fellow NPer $20,000 for a name thinking the new economic conditions might have an effect on his decision making process. A few months ago I might have had a chance to get this name at that price. NOW, he dismissed my offer within minutes. He's aware of the mood of the times. And it looks very rosy.

That said, many names will certainly be sold off at discounts, MASSIVE discounts - and why? Because they are cr^p names, pure and simple, and the main players have matured to a level they are offloading their rubbish - or stuf they can't develop for a profit.

I personally spent most of yesterday letting loose over 200 names that come up for renewal in October. However, I also renewed over 200 other names - AND I'm still buying - but quality, not quantity, any longer.

I agree with the trolling member that some names will have reduced in value by over 80% - in fact I would go further - and suggest they have dropped in value by over 90%. This is not because the ,market is falling, but more to the fact that the quality threshold has risen completely as people understand what makes a good .TV or TV.com name.

In part, that improvement in attitude towards Tv names is down to the hard work of people like Allthings TV who have explained fully why some names ARE as valuable as gold - and why some are the lemons they always were!

 

[mckennaronnie]

We could go round in circles here AGAIN but to cut it short.

If you are a developer OR if you have bought .tv's for at least the next 3 years then the market worries dont matter as who cares if domain values are going down when your not selling??? Just gets boring. :bah:

Maybe it all comes down to: "Are you a domainer or a developer"

I'd guess NP .tv forum is split so we all see thing different. The domainers will never get .tv as its a extension meant to almost cut out the domainers profits.....................Infact:
I'm not going to bother finishing this write up as things will neber change.

My personal experience is that offers for my domains have went from low $xxxx to high $xx,xxx on average while other domain extensions have been seeing 20% declines or whatever its at now.
Maybe i've been lucky, maybe it due to the Geo market bucking the trend OR maybe i'm just a F@cking Genius! :lol:

If i was purely a domainer then i'd get out of .tv, maybe thats something some of you should consider (if you own prime Geo's then give me a PM before you get out :] )

Allthings & Jimbo: I'm with you, i get how you feel.

I dont need to jutify my plans to domainers as no domainers will be buying my domains.

I think its only going to get better for DOT TV. I see you wrote development time for DOT TVers in your signature...what prompted that?

I'll PM you later to explain it a little better, there is meaning behind it.

I fully believe .Tv's are for developers so its time to stop hanging around domainers forums as domainers wont ever pay the big bucks as they think of .tv domains differently than Endusers do.
So its time to turn Prime domains into Businesses or go after the endusers who will pay the big bucks.

For me the NP .tv domaining era is over.
It's time for me to turn the portfolio i've build up over the last year on NP into a business.

Thats me last post in this thread as i fully expect it to become another nightmare thread.

Cheers,
Ronnie

 

[hullswingerscom]

i think your a F@cking Genius ronnie

i booked a cottage at the weekend in devon...looking on the internet were to stay i was overwelmed with websites.

does the world need anymore geo sites,its all been done to death!

but i can wait 10 years or more like i allways said....
maybe then we will be all on a dot tv forum

 

[jeffoverman]

A very well discussed thread by allthings. He dosent form threads as much and enjoying reading his views.

I agree on ronnie and all things. Jimbo has it right on and I learned this back in January. I'm in the 7th inning, getting rid of the amounts of names and keeping my qualtity names for developments. Wish I had a development up by now but I don't. Pushed backed projects and people that know me know the challenges I had and surgery.

Snoop what is your deal? You continue to come in here and try to wreck each thread? All things and ronnie, John tv, Sanchay, up and coming members are seeing what all things is saying. Development. Took me 7 months realize that roughly.

This will be my last post as well.

 

[xman]

Really some good points I've been reading here.

I guess .TVers sees things differently from domainers. Whenever I regged any .TV I always ask myself...what can I do with this domain? and when I thought of an idea for development I will take it without hesitation.

I used to participate in the forums a lot but I prefer to observed now rather than engage in their arguments.

I really like being in the .TV section it seems to be more positive environment.

 

[MillersCrossing]

I didn't create my DOT portfolio to sell. I put it together to develop. I am not trying to be like Rick Shwartz or the next self-made domainer millionire.

Sorry Kevin, you may well be developing your portfolio as it currently stands, but to state the above is slightly misleading - you bought fast.tv for 6k and sold it for a dollar, amongst other steeply priced premiums during the 70% off period....including wanting to buy into IT.TV.that me and Tim owned in partnership and were looking to flip......that to me does not look like a good development plan.......

Bottom line, this forum was heavily slanted towards domaining over the last couple of years and recently has moved more towards forced and unforced development as domainers try and monetise their domains that are not selling on the open market or just love the name/s they own and want to develop......

Both domainers and developers are taking risk in return for possible reward and both should be encouraged upon the path they have chosen

 

[MicroGuy]

When I see how much people have lost in the stock market, it makes me feel better to think that some of my portfolio is invested in something I consider worth more than gold. Gold can appreciate but doesn't have the capability to generate recurring revenue like domain names (i.e. as developed websites).

It looks like offroad.tv ($5000/yr premium) is dropping. Will you be renewing that domain or was there too much gold in the bag?

 

[dcmike77]

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Bottom line, this forum was heavily slanted towards domaining over the last couple of years and recently has moved more towards forced and unforced development as domainers try and monetise their domains that are not selling on the open market or just love the name/s they own and want to develop......

Both domainers and developers are taking risk in return for possible reward and both should be encouraged upon the path they have chosen

Wow. Millers. Nicely said. Folks are focused on developing now out of necessity.


Besides who the hell thinks .tv is good for SEO???? If you're going to develope go with an extension that google likes. Localexpert brought up great arguments against .tv SEO in this great thread


-Mike

 

[mckennaronnie]

I said i wouldnt BUT i've been dragged back in.

1st thing i just want to point out that i always felt .tv was about development, i did think there were longterm investment opportunities & thats why i own too many domains to develop but i have not just claimed to be a developer as i cant sell.
Just wanted to confirm that so everyone knows where i'm coming from.

this forum was heavily slanted towards domaining over the last couple of years and recently has moved more towards forced and unforced development as domainers try and monetise their domains that are not selling on the open market or just love the name/s they own and want to develop......

Millers i do agree that many people who bough to flip but couldnt sell have suddently decided "I'm a Developer" but we both know thats not how it works. Every development is the exact same as opening a new business so do the same planning as you would if its was a shop, a pub or anything else. A great domain & a fancy looking site are not enough if you dont know how to get traffic or how to turn traffic into income, development is hard so treat it serious.
I'm not directing that comment to anyone in particular as i dont know everyones development plans, just looks to me that a big chunk of the forum call themselves developers now but have no sites or no solid business plans.

i think your a F@cking Genius ronnie

does the world need anymore geo sites,its all been done to death!

Hull's: I agree with your 1st statement
BUT saying Geo ha sbeen done to death so there is no need for new sites is stupid (with all due respect)
Thats just like saying the net has enough new sites so everyone DONT build anymore, there is enough porn in the world so pornstars all retire....etc
If we take that attitude then the internet will just stop progressing & stay at 2008 forever.

There is of course great competition for Geo sites but it is the same for every sector. It's all about coming up with the right plan rather than just buying a nice domain & setting up a site like many here so seem to think.

If you think the Geo market is too crowded then i'll take your Geo's off your hands??
I'm willing to bet you dont think it's that crowded.

Besides who the hell thinks .tv is good for SEO???? If you're going to develope go with an extension that google likes. Localexpert brought up great arguments against .tv SEO in this great thread

Local did bring up great points when he was originally convinced it was impossible to get a .tv to the 1st page on Google for a highly searched term.
If you follow the thread though then you will see George admit that it's not impossible like he 1st thought/claimed.
I dont think anyone here knows exactly how to crack google with a high search term on a .tv but others are doing it so saying Google wont rank .tv's well is wrong.
It's not that they wont rank, we just dont know how but thats not .tv's problem - Its ours.
In the end of that thread George came to the conclusion that the age of the domain is very important, i cant say if he is right or wrong but if he is right then the importance of that will fade away obviously as many .tv's are aged.

I think that is all i felt had to be said.

Night All,
Ronnie