I'm giving up a money-making secret

[Seabass]

I debated telling the whole NP crowd this but I can't see how it would cut me out of any earnings and I wanted to help other NP's make a little more cash in these rough times. So here it is :

I started fooling around with eBay and using their direct linking method began to add generic domains to each corresponding page that matched up with the product. No website creation is necessary....just use the direct link method in EPN.

Well.....after tinkering around with it using different verticals most of which don't work....I found something that does. Animal domains.....especially one word animal domains.

Now don't ask me why, but they convert to $$$ better than domain parking does with any parking company I've ever used. It literally is putting over $x,xxx more per month to the bottom line over and above what I was making in domain parking. And....they rarely buy anything related to the domain's subject matter.

It's unreal. The success may be tied somehow to folks looking for a deal, but it seems to work best with animal domains and I just can't figure out why.

Regarding other types of domains I have found about one in ten to fifteen do better at eBay than they do parked.

Try it for a month and see. Good luck.

* Ever notice Sendori sends every third visitor to eBay. Why is that? :hehe:

 

[PawnShopsNet]

Damn.......now I'm really confused. I can't even find that section in the TOS.

Go to your EPN account. Click programs. It's - eBay — Terms and Conditions

Why can't a person link to a domain being sold? I don't understand that rule.

Had some pulled last year for that. If they have changed it back I'm not aware of it as all the ones that are actively selling now most have stopped it and state that the link is not there because of listing rules. You can link to a page that further describes the item though.

 

[Seabass]

Go to your EPN account. Click programs. It's - eBay — Terms and Conditions

Thanks for that. I had not seen that. They should have these rules in one place but they are spread all around EPN.

So there are three sets of rules .....The Network Agreement, The eBay Partner Code of Conduct, and eBay Advertiser Terms and Conditions.

In the Network Agreement it says the definition of "Advertiser" is:

Advertiser - A company or individual that participates in the Network for the purposes of enabling Affiliates to promote such Advertiser's website and/or content. All Advertisers are subject to the prior approval of ePN. Advertisers do not have a direct contractual relationship related to the Network with Affiliates.

*** If the Advertiser is eBay than why does eBay need "prior approval" of ePN ? They'd be asking themselves for permission ***

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However, what you showed me.........eBay Advertiser Terms and Conditions says:

These Advertiser Terms and Conditions are part of the Network Agreement and will govern your participation in all Programs for websites that are operated either by eBay Inc. or eBay International AG (together referred to as "eBay" or the "Advertiser").

***It says in the eBay Advertiser Terms and Conditions that those conditions are part of the Network Agreement, so the definition of Advertiser from the Network Agreement applies to both sets of rules***

So.....this is very contradictory wording and very poorly written in this instance....IMHO.
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[ginggang]

My application got turned down so I can't give an answer

 

[Seabass]

My application got turned down so I can't give an answer

Did you show them some great domains?
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[ginggang]

Did you show them some great domains?
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Sorry I don't know what you mean ??

 

[Seabass]

Sorry I don't know what you mean ??

In your application did you list some of your domains you owned? And, if you did did you show them really good ones?

 

[ebatcave]

I only showed one and I just got accepted

 

[blaknite]

It's just a hunch, but I'm guessing if you have really great domains they won't can you. Great domains bring great customers.....usually.

Here is my $.02

I think this quote is pretty straight to the point. Its just like the arguments with arbitrage a year ago. Its not explicitly allowed and there aren't enough people abusing it for them to explicitly disallow it. As long as it stays under the wire they'll let it slip, but once it catches on the scammers will set in and things will go downhill. Then ebay will specifically nix the whole thing.

I don't think for a second that ebay would turn away the owner of digitalcameras.com if he/she was pointing it at their digital cameras list. Its when someone starts collecting traffic for an expired auto repair site and forwarding it to an ebay motors listing that confusion will arise. People will start to complain about the confusion, and then ebay will have no choice but to step in.

Sorry to say it sebass, but you should have kept this one under your hat.

 

[PawnShopsNet]

seabass,

It's really not contradictory. In every case you are the affiliate and eBay is the advertiser. The way it is worded is that EPN is acting in the same capacity as CJ was. They setup the wording in order to be flexible. The part I quoted is the rules you have to follow when you are in the eBay program (over all). Also there are rules for each eBay program under that. The over all controlling agreement is the EPN one then the agreement for you and eBay through EPN. Much like the way CJ was. You could be a member of CJ and not get into any of the advertiser's program. Same could happen here but doesn't. As it's setup and worded EPN could add additional programs for you to promote through them.

Sorry to say it sebass, but you should have kept this one under your hat.

Hate to bust your bubble but this was being done years ago. With the number of affiliates and the number of transaction it takes awhile for one of these to pop up on the radar. I guarantee you that a domain with a high enough traffic count will pop fairly quickly.

Also even if they are letting this slide (and I doubt it) why risk you EPN account for something that you don't have prior written permission. The agreement CLEARLY states that ANY method other than links on your web site must be approved. PERIOD.

As for Sendori being able to do it - simple eBay has signed up as an advertiser of theirs and pays for the traffic. EPN would not be involved in that at all. Same as eBay buy Adwords.

 

[cdboard]

I'm not sure why they would not want all those sales if the redirect is performing well and sending good/great ACRUs.......but I did see them nix affiliates last year that were doing $20,000 or more per month in commissions to the astonishment of the whole eBay affiliate industry. Top performers were supposedly nixed and accounts closed with little explanation.

I wonder if they were getting an unusually high percentage of income from ACRUs.

 

[Seabass]

Here is my $.02

I think this quote is pretty straight to the point. Its just like the arguments with arbitrage a year ago. Its not explicitly allowed and there aren't enough people abusing it for them to explicitly disallow it. As long as it stays under the wire they'll let it slip, but once it catches on the scammers will set in and things will go downhill. Then ebay will specifically nix the whole thing.

I don't think for a second that ebay would turn away the owner of digitalcameras.com if he/she was pointing it at their digital cameras list. Its when someone starts collecting traffic for an expired auto repair site and forwarding it to an ebay motors listing that confusion will arise. People will start to complain about the confusion, and then ebay will have no choice but to step in.

Sorry to say it sebass, but you should have kept this one under your hat.

Well......I think you are right. What is it they say, "No good deed goes unpunished"
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seabass,

It's really not contradictory. In every case you are the affiliate and eBay is the advertiser. The way it is worded is that EPN is acting in the same capacity as CJ was. They setup the wording in order to be flexible. The part I quoted is the rules you have to follow when you are in the eBay program (over all). Also there are rules for each eBay program under that. The over all controlling agreement is the EPN one then the agreement for you and eBay through EPN. Much like the way CJ was. You could be a member of CJ and not get into any of the advertiser's program. Same could happen here but doesn't. As it's setup and worded EPN could add additional programs for you to promote through them.


Hate to bust your bubble but this was being done years ago. With the number of affiliates and the number of transaction it takes awhile for one of these to pop up on the radar. I guarantee you that a domain with a high enough traffic count will pop fairly quickly.

Also even if they are letting this slide (and I doubt it) why risk you EPN account for something that you don't have prior written permission. The agreement CLEARLY states that ANY method other than links on your web site must be approved. PERIOD.

As for Sendori being able to do it - simple eBay has signed up as an advertiser of theirs and pays for the traffic. EPN would not be involved in that at all. Same as eBay buy Adwords.

It occurred to me that they did write it this way so as to be able to do anything they want.

I see it as contradictory.....but it does not matter. What matters is what you said in the last part...."ANY method other than links on your web site must be approved. PERIOD."

I called Sendori today and guess what......they don't work with domainers anymore or individual domain owners. They only work with registrars now. I pressed the eBay issue and he barely remembered it. I'm not sure how long he has been there.....but anyhow I hit a dead end there. I'm still going to look for a direct contact.

I asked a couple of questions on the forum about two weeks ago and eBay never answered them ........so I need to speak with them directly if that is even possible.

Your right ......it's not worth losing the account. I already got my BANS software fired back up today and started to look at it again. My belief is I can make just as much money with a BANS page ultimately, and maybe more.

I truly believe I hit a true cord with "Animal" domains b/c they are all doing so good, so consistently, whereas domains that have to do with Gold Coins, Antiques, etc...... domains you would think would work really well just DO NOT perform like Animal Domains.

Go figure! I'd really like to know why they make so much money. My only guess is that folks are relaxed and unassuming when they type in Chickens,com or Parrot,com (neither are mine).
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[NetOctave]

Whether it works or not is irrelevant to me....
But I appreciate you for sharing this with others...

 

[PawnShopsNet]

A possible reason is that the gold coin, antiques, etc domains would be visited by people more cautious as the dollar amount per transaction would be higher and being redirected straight to eBay smacks of a scam..... One of the reasons eBay/EPN doesn't want you doing it.

 

[Seabass]

A possible reason is that the gold coin, antiques, etc domains would be visited by people more cautious as the dollar amount per transaction would be higher and being redirected straight to eBay smacks of a scam..... One of the reasons eBay/EPN doesn't want you doing it.

Funny thing is that I was selling quite a few coins, rare baseball cards, several vehicles, a new 18 wheeler, a motorcycle, tons of clothes, probably 10 computers in the last two months, lots of high-end purses, concert tickets up to $2,000, and even Superbowl tickets, etc...... I have not had a single day since I started that I did not make money off the animal domains, but other domains have been hit and miss.....more miss than hit.

All well....off to BANS with those domains for now. After I get them up I will contact eBay.....if I ever find out how.

I'll let everyone know if it still works as well with the animal domains in BANS or WordPress or whatever other incarnation I come up with.
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Whether it works or not is irrelevant to me....
But I appreciate you for sharing this with others...

I appreciate the comment.
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[Jeffrey]

My EPN application was denied.

 

[onewordonly]

To the misinformed person going on about this been Cookie Stuffing, get your facts right and do some research as this is definitely not cookie stuffing. this is all about cookie stuffing (those evil toolbars).

 

[texasgamer]

what type of sites do I need to get accepted in EPN or Bans? Can someone pm me the names of the sites you used to get accepted?

 

[DubDubDubDot]

When you create those BANS pages, or other type of pages, you do have to have some content. eBay said last year that many affiliates sites were not "engaging enough" and closed all their accounts without any more explanation. After a firestorm of protest......they clarified what that meant a little. It took them like two weeks or month, I forget, to explain. By then everyone was livid.

EVERYONE was livid? No, the wannabie webmasters who can't produce their own site content were livid. I can understand why. These lazy fools thought they could buy a script, set it up and then sit back and do nothing. It worked for awhile, but then the house of cards fell and now they are still to this day crying like babies.

You think eBay or anyone else cares about them? The top 5% of affiliates in any program sends almost all of the sales. The irrelevant bottom 1% that got canned for having little to no "engaging" content don't mean anything to anyone. eBay doesn't care about them. No affiliate program does.

Running sites is hard work. There is no way around it. I am at my computer a minimum of 12 hours a day, nearly every day. There are times where I work for 24 hours straight. I once worked for 2 and a half days straight (without the use of drugs or caffeine or anything else).

I see so much laziness on the forums I can't believe it. Everyone thinking they can make easy money online. It's pathetic.

 

[Traveler]

what type of sites do I need to get accepted in EPN or Bans? Can someone pm me the names of the sites you used to get accepted?

BANS is a script that anyone can buy. Getting accepted to EPN is another story. From what I have seen lately, they are very picky about the new affiliates that are accepted. This is just my opinion, but what I think it takes to get accepted these days is to have a well established site that offers real content. Ebay listings should not be the primary purpose for the site, rather just an nice addition to a site that is already succesful.

 

[dbtbandit67]

EVERYONE was livid? No, the wannabie webmasters who can't produce their own site content were livid. I can understand why. These lazy fools thought they could buy a script, set it up and then sit back and do nothing. It worked for awhile, but then the house of cards fell and now they are still to this day crying like babies.

You think eBay or anyone else cares about them? The top 5% of affiliates in any program sends almost all of the sales. The irrelevant bottom 1% that got canned for having little to no "engaging" content don't mean anything to anyone. eBay doesn't care about them. No affiliate program does.

Running sites is hard work. There is no way around it. I am at my computer a minimum of 12 hours a day, nearly every day. There are times where I work for 24 hours straight. I once worked for 2 and a half days straight (without the use of drugs or caffeine or anything else).

I see so much laziness on the forums I can't believe it. Everyone thinking they can make easy money online. It's pathetic.

calm down, your remarks are uncalled for.

not everyone wants to get stuck writing content. and there's nothing wrong with coming up with ideas on how to earn money passively on your domains, either through parking or any other system that can be macro-managed.

it's not "pathetic" to come up with new ideas. when they dont workout just move on to the next one.