discuss IF YOU DONT OWN DOT COM YOU DONT HAVE MUCH!

[artstar]

Well after all the hype and hoopla and support ive had over the years trying to support other tlds its now time to admit, IF YOU DONT OWN THE DOT COM YOU DONT HAVE MUCH!

Dot com dot com dot com

No other will do, no other will take its place, no other has its value, no other has a chance against it!!!

I don't care if its now or 20 years from now if you don't own the dot com you are setting yourself up for a loss period end of story!

So to all you newbies, save your $$$$ now and buy or hand reg ONLY dot coms cause if you don't you will find you messed up bigtime!

 

[JB Lions]

Well that does it for me folks, it's been fun interacting with many of you. Hopefully I've been some help here at NP, although many of you know I do state my mind and stand my ground.

After my interaction with @JB Lions, now seeing that he has the ability to edit his quotes in my threads, I always quote him because he edits so much. Now I'm sure he has some type of connection with NP which I don't like, I've thought this before. This can't happen on a normal basis but I've seen it happen tonight. Sure he can edit his posts but not what I quote him on, I do it for a reason.

The quoted reflected domains such as; gettysburgtours.com and weddingonthebeach.com, were he advised they sold for XXXX. I bet they did...

I have no problem with abiding by rules, or being informed when I'm out of line but when threads, documented quotes are missing something isn't on the up and up. No alerts, this took place after I went back and read the threads.

I've also seen threads split up within a matter of minutes because of him, that's not normal either.

Mods please delete my account but give me a few mins. to stop the billing which I'm headed to do right now.

If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck then it's a duck!

Good luck to my fellow domainers and I'll see ya in another forum or might start my own. Best...

Instead of throwing this little tantrum and then the conspiracy stuff, you could have simply asked a mod or admin. No, I don't have magical mod powers where I went in and edited your posts......... it's how the forum software works. I actually don't like it myself. Let me give you a real example:

In the Political forum somebody posted some story about transgenders and bathrooms and linked to a news site. The problem was it was a 100% fake story, the site was fake. Front page was all Google ads, the About Us page, the guy said it was fake. I quoted that post and linked to information proving it was fake. I come back later and notice my quote changed. It's because they edited their post and that edit reflected in my quote. So it's the forum software.

Have no idea about threads split in minutes, what you're even talking about. And no, I have no pull, if I did a certain person here would be banned, rightfully so.

And why did I edit my post? Because I left it up long enough so you can see the names. Gave you a range, low x,xxx and that still wasn't good enough. Then I was thinking, why am I trying to prove something to a person that has a bunch of bad extensions and no sales. Late night posting.

Read the quote above @Brandingtheweb.com and tell me that I'm wrong, again.



Taken from the 1st prediction I made on NamePros:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/china-will-block-coms-for-a-competive-edge.913319/page-27

And I'm not sure why you keep posting to that thread, it just keeps reminding me how wrong you were. You said .com was going to be banned on a specific date. That date came and went and nothing happened, just like I and many others said would happen. I think you have specific keywords you like to search on, then copy and paste articles. In that thread, I actually gave you a more legit source, Internet Retailer. If something like that was going to happen, it would be there. Start using better sources. Bookmark it this time:

https://www.internetretailer.com/

Today's News:
http://ecommerce-news.internetretailer.com/nav/type/article/news/news/0?isort=date

 

[DomainVP]

I'm not sure why anyone would argue with argumentative gTLD believers.

Look at the wave of chip "experts" that were frozen in 'buy mode' and pretended to know everything about domain names because they took a few uneducated risks that luckily paid off...

That is until the chips started to collapse, and those 'experts' that got awarded advance "VIP" abdges for their """""CONTRIBUTIONS"""" are now nowhere to be found, and all of their predictions are in the toilet.

gTLD believers will find themselves in the same bucket soon enough.

If you are someone that likes new extensions, that's fantastic - but they will never stick. It's too much for the general population to handle, because at the end of the day the masses are stupid and they can't even discern from .net and .com.

.COM is solidified into the U.S. culture, and the .COM economy is too big to fail. That is not going to change, ever...

I'm not preaching, nor do I (or anyone else) need to defend the .COM namespace... but the writing is on the wall, and it was even before gTLDs were launched.

It's 2016, how the f*** are we still have this conversation after the numerous failed and blighted gTLD campaigns?!?!?!?!

Because of a few one off or promoted sales?!?!? Come on...

 

[Chris Rice]

In that thread, I actually gave you a more legit source, Internet Retailer. If something like that was going to happen, it would be there. Start using better sources. Bookmark it this time:

1. Did the Internet Retailer predict the "Draconian" laws of China?
- If so, why didn't you agree with me when I said that China's economy was faltering, and that they would increase censorship, control and anti-competitive policies?

QUESTION for @JB Lions

- Was @joro001 1 right when he said that 'prices and demand for more speculative .com/.net etc. in China' fell like I stone after I mentioned China's policies for non-approved TLDs?

 

[JB Lions]

1. Did the Internet Retailer predict the "Draconian" laws of China?
- If so, why didn't you agree with me when I said that China's economy was faltering, and that they would increase censorship, control and anti-competitive policies?

QUESTION for @JB Lions

- Was @joro001 1 right when he said that 'prices and demand for more speculative .com/.net etc. in China' fell like I stone after I mentioned China's policies for non-approved TLDs?

So you're actually taking credit for that, when it was just your basic pump and dump? Somehow all those Chinese read your post here and your post affected the market? Be serious.

The site has a search function, use it. Read.

You can read stuff like:

Parcel delivery in China surges in a sign of e-commerce growth

https://www.internetretailer.com/2016/05/19/parcel-delivery-china-surges-sign-e-commerce-growth

China:
http://ecommerce-news.internetretai...5&ts=custom&w=china&af=&method=and&isort=date

4 days ago, oh look, a .com

Tim Cahill’s CAHILLPLUS Fashion Range Launches in China on JD.com

You use bad sources in hoping somehow .com will falter and then your .xyz will take off. You're only fooling/hurting yourself.

Chinese web retailer JD.com books 15 million orders in a one-day sale

Lot of propaganda out there. I'm not sure how many other ways I can tell you to use better sources. You don't want too, that's pretty evident. If you're close minded, there really is no point is there.

 

[Chris Rice]

I'm not sure why anyone would argue with argumentative gTLD believers.

Look at the wave of chip "experts" that were frozen in 'buy mode' and pretended to know everything about domain names because they took a few uneducated risks that luckily paid off...

That is until the chips started to collapse, and those 'experts' that got awarded advance "VIP" abdges for their """""CONTRIBUTIONS"""" are now nowhere to be found, and all of their predictions are in the toilet.

gTLD believers will find themselves in the same bucket soon enough.

If you are someone that likes new extensions, that's fantastic - but they will never stick. It's too much for the general population to handle, because at the end of the day the masses are stupid and they can't even discern from .net and .com.

.COM is solidified into the U.S. culture, and the .COM economy is too big to fail. That is not going to change, ever...

I'm not preaching, nor do I (or anyone else) need to defend the .COM namespace... but the writing is on the wall, and it was even before gTLDs were launched.

It's 2016, how the f*** are we still have this conversation after the numerous failed and blighted gTLD campaigns?!?!?!?!

Because of a few one off or promoted sales?!?!? Come on...

Asia will play a larger role over Internet culture over the next decade @DomainVP, and FYI .com is not nearly as solid in emerging economies + China and India.

- The United States has an Internet population of only 300 million people.

- China has an Internet population of 700 million and a citizen count of almost 1.5 billion people who will eventually come online.

- India has the second largest internet population at about 400 to 600 million Internet users.

If Western society had enough Internet users to drive multi-million dollar startups to use junk .com's with typos and bad grammar, how much will the future multi-national companies from emerging economies have to pay for a .com when another 1 billion people come online?

The question is, will they?

As much as you'd like to fantasize the next decade will be nothing but .com's and ccTLD, it just doesn't make sense. There isn't enough .com's to go around and once the culture of 'ONLY .COM' cracks:

2nd-Tier, 3rd-Tier, 4th-Tier and for god-sakes, 5th-tier .com's will decrease in value.

If it's a terrible keyword combination in nGTLD, the .com equivalent will eventually decrease in value (significantly).

 

[Kate]

As much as you'd like to fantasize the next decade will be nothing but .com's and ccTLD, it just doesn't make sense.

But this is exactly what is happening. The trends are clear, if you can't acknowledge present reality you are going to have trouble predicting the future. BTW: the next decade begins in just 4 years, soon.
So what do you think will replace .de .fr .uk .pl .ph etc ?
Nations are increasingly asserting control over cyberspace (Russia and China in particular), so I would think they are interested in using their ccTLDs. You don't think so ?

Even if the new extensions were taking off, they would take forever to catch up with .com and ccTLDs. But it's not happening...
If you have worries about .com then do like me: invest in ccTLDs - but pick them carefully. For instance not .cn because it has a history of sudden policy changes and red tape.

In fact, all the stuff you are posting about China reminds us this is a whimsical market that we should stay away from. In fact, plenty of us don't care about China.

It is sad that the discussion is still the same as it was 10 years ago. Some even suggested that .com would be replaced by .mobi because of the Internet shifting to mobile It's the same type of hysteria with new extensions.

 

[Chris Rice]

Some even suggested that .com would be replaced by .mobi because of the Internet shifting to mobile

There is a different between .Mobi and recognizing that a multi-million dollar startup should not use a domain name w/dreadful misspells and bad grammer.

You are focused on sales, and .com's are selling, even junk .com's. So it's a Seller's Market.

When Wordpress launches .BLOG in November, it will be a boon for the notCOM industry (mass adoption is likely).

And the gap between 1st-Tier GTLDs and 2nd to 4th-Tier .COM will continue to shrink.

 

[Kate]

So what ? I must rebrand my business from .com/ccTLD to .blog ?
Why should I care as a domainer or end user ?

 

[Chris Rice]

So what ? I must rebrand my business from .com/ccTLD to .blog ?
Why should I care as a domainer or end user ?

No, it is just one of the many rocks that will be thrown at the '.COM only' mentality found in the United States.

Once the current unwavering belief in .COM starts to crack, the gap between 2nd to 5th-tier .COMs and 1st-Tier nGTLDs will start to close. And the will be more liquidity in the notCOM market.

There will be winners and losers, but .com junk domains will definitely be on the losing side.

QUESTION:
- How successful do you predict Wordpress will be at selling .BLOG addresses to their membership base? @Kate

 

[JB Lions]

No, it is just one of the many rocks that will be thrown at the '.COM only' mentality found in the United States.

Once the current unwavering belief in .COM starts to crack, the gap between 2nd to 5th-tier .COMs and 1st-Tier nGTLDs will start to close. And the will be more liquidity in the notCOM market.

Or most .blog will be reserved or snapped up my domainers like most extensions. Keywordblog.com type domains get helped out. .blog isn't cracking any .com. You can have a "blog" on any extension, the term is actually getting used less. You keep hoping for some kind of downfall of .com.

 

[Chris Rice]

Or most .blog will be reserved or snapped up my domainers like most extensions. Keywordblog.com type domains get helped out. .blog isn't cracking any .com. You can have a "blog" on any extension, the term is actually getting used less.

.BLOG is just 'one of the rocks' being thrown at the '.COM only' mentality found in the United States.

Wordpress won't break the .com monopoly on it's own, but as a collective effort, the 1,000 gtlds set to release in partnership with GoDaddy, Google Domains and in alignment with Wordpress, Amazon and more, will eventually crack and finally break the .com monopoly.

 

[JB Lions]

It's like throwing rocks (more like pebbles) at a mountain, they just bounce off.

I just noticed you have a join date of 2008, while I thought you were new.

Maybe domaining just isn't for you? If you've been doing this for 8 years with literally 0 sales, it's not happening. I can't be a pilot because I have issues with height/possible undiagnosed vertigo. I know you develop sites, have no idea how you're doing with them but maybe that's more your thing. Plenty of people make a good living doing that.

 

[Chris Rice]

It's like throwing rocks (more like pebbles) at a mountain, they just bounce off.

I just noticed you have a join date of 2008, while I thought you were new.

Maybe domaining just isn't for you? If you've been doing this for 8 years with literally 0 sales, it's not happening. I can't be a pilot because I have issues with height/possible undiagnosed vertigo. I know you develop sites, have no idea how you're doing with them but maybe that's more your thing. Plenty of people make a good living doing that.

Again, if a keyword combination looks terrible in nGTLD, it's equivalent in .COM will decrease in value (significantly). @JB Lions

Selling junk .com's is ongoing, but eventually companies will focus on actual value and the keywords they are using to represent their business. @Kate @DomainVP

Someday, junk .com's will be a thing of the past. This is the essence of "Value Investing". TAG: @mad409

 

[Kate]

No, it is just one of the many rocks that will be thrown at the '.COM only' mentality found in the United States.

I don't live in the US but in Europe, where ccTLDs are strong and .com prevalent. My own impression is that Europeans don't care about new extensions any more than Americans. Europeans usually have a strong bond with their own extensions. There is no such bond in the US toward .us. But even computer-illiterate Americans know that .ca is popular in Canada, and that .com is not the only extension.

- How successful do you predict Wordpress will be at selling .BLOG addresses to their membership base? @Kate

I dunno, I would like to have a look at the business model first. But I doubt that so many people are going to pay for .blog domains. Most blogs are low-key and unmonetized.
Many bloggers are using subdomains like wordpress or blogger, they wouldn't even pay $10 for a .com or another extension.
If they give .blog domains for free they could be more popular.

But it's always the same problem: consumers don't notice alternate extensions because they are seldom used for large-scale projects, for household names. They are buried deep in the serps. Millions of domains are registered in .biz/.info alone. But not many people want to own one. They don't take those extensions seriously and it's no different with the new strings. They must be used and advertised heavily by end users to make an impact. Otherwise it's almost as if they didn't exist. Even if I know that a .horse can be registered, does that mean I want one ? For a prank site maybe, but not for a real business.

Just ask normal people how they feel.

 

[Chris Rice]

I just noticed you have a join date of 2008, while I thought you were new.

Maybe domaining just isn't for you? If you've been doing this for 8 years with literally 0 sales, it's not happening. I can't be a pilot because I have issues with height/possible undiagnosed vertigo. I know you develop sites, have no idea how you're doing with them but maybe that's more your thing. Plenty of people make a good living doing that.

Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

Read here and consider a course in Critical Thinking @JB Lions

 

[dordomai]

Or most .blog will be reserved or snapped up my domainers like most extensions. Keywordblog.com type domains get helped out. .blog isn't cracking any .com. You can have a "blog" on any extension, the term is actually getting used less. You keep hoping for some kind of downfall of .com.

I think .blog is great but don't forget that everyone thought all mobile sites would go to .mobi and now they think all blogs will go to .blog

 

[Asfas1000]

.blog might be a success for the registry, but what's in it for a domainer ?

 

[Chris Rice]

I think .blog is great but don't forget that everyone thought all mobile sites would go to .mobi and now they think all blogs will go to .blog

It all comes down to being able to make accurate predictions. @dordomai I didn't think .mobi would be a hit at that time but I was interested in .TV

To answer @JB Lions 's side comment, I have paid attention to the domain industry for over 8 years but I only jumped in big (okay, not really big) after the announcement that Google was reorganizing under Alphabet abc.xyz. I didn't purchase that many at first and was actually more interested in domain hacks since abc.xyz is a domain hack. But just as I did with the stock market I started digging the net for information about Google, XYZ, GTLDs, ICANN and eventually found a direct connection to China.

At the same time, I am a subscriber of Geopolitical Futures and was actually sent the information ahead of time that the 'Draconian' regulations would be enforced and implemented in China (so it is actually laughable that people mocked me about having an 'Inside source' since I did have a source, and it was better than the NP China / Experts who were buying up .COM CHIPS at the time' @DomainVP ). The newsletter wasn't 100% about Internet censorship but it described how the Communist Party would consolidate power under President XI and take away freedom in order to suppress a possible rebellion in Western China.

This was in alignment with articles posted by Allegravita about China's Internet regulations and MIIT approval. I contacted the founder of Allegravita who didn't believe that .com would get blocked but he probably didn't foresee Disney getting kicked out of China either (not to mention the new problems facing Apple). Most domainers and businessmen are focused on: BUSINESS. But China is focused on stability at a time when business and the short-term future of their economy isn't good.

Control is the Communist Party's top priority. Business is only second, and when it comes to business, China focuses on promoting state-owned Enterprises and local conglomerates like Tincent, and taking market share from US companies like Amazon, Facebook, Google, etc. The 1st step is to block them from competing in their domestic market. The next step is to compete for International markets (starting to be released in the media now). You might not think this makes sense but I believe they will somehow use their state-approved TLD regulations to assist them in reaching their goals.

P.S. The website you gave me is useless @JB Lions
- Maybe it's good for a short-term .com trader, but it doesn't have any information I cannot find elsewhere.

TAG: @mad409 @rokaska7 @MasterOfMyDomains

 

[Chris Rice]

.blog might be a success for the registry, but what's in it for a domainer ?

The window for domainers to profit off GTLDs is closing. Prices are getting more expensive with each launch and a lot of the standard renewals have been taken back by registries and are now offered at Premium Prices.

The time to hand-reg in .XYZ was August (2015) to January (2016). Now it is time to hold, buy on the drops / aftermarket, or focus on web development. Good luck!

 

[JB Lions]

Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

Read here and consider a course in Critical Thinking @JB Lions

Yes, I know what that is, but in this case it's relevant.

You preface a lot of your posts with how good you think you are with research, how good you are at making predictions, many times referencing your past business and saying that you were successful with that. You do that because you're trying to setup, I was right about this over here (totally unrelated business), so therefore I'm right on this.

Did it again with your last post:

"It all comes down to being able to make accurate predictions."

But in this business, none of that is happening. The research is bad. Your predictions are off. If they were on point, it would have resulted in sales. That's a logical conclusion. 0 sales, what you're doing is obviously not working. That's up to you whether you want to change that or not. But, the results speak for themselves.

You study China all day long, using bad sources, when you should be studying sales. If you figure out what people actually want, invest in that, then maybe you'll start getting sales.