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I wanted to let everyone know who may not have received the email from GoDaddy yesterday about our stance on the price increase and how you can make your voice heard on the comments. The comment period is still open for another day. The proposed price increase would be 7% for 4 years.

Here is the public comment link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/com-amendment-3-2020-01-03-en

Here is the email we sent out.

ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business.
Let your voice be heard.

As a large domain portfolio holder, ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business. ICANN has proposed an amendment to the .COM registry agreement between itself and Verisign. The proposal would allow Verisign to increase the price of .COM by up to 7% every year for the next 4 years. Since 2018, we have been actively working to raise awareness around this issue, including when GoDaddy testified before Congress in July 2018. Even now, we’re continuing to have discussions, but ultimately, we are one company. Now is the time for ICANN to hear your voice. Please take a few minutes to let ICANN know how allowing this increase will impact you in the years to come. The public comment period is open until February 14th. To be heard, use ICANN’s form to submit your personalized comments. We value your business and vow to keep advocating on your behalf.
 
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"At this stage, .com should be $1,000 a year to hold."

PLEASE tell me from what dispensary you acquire your medical marijuana...I will be moving within walking distance immediately! :xf.smile:

edit: sorry, got so excited I forgot to activate the quote!
 
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Everything tech related has gone down over time why should domain renewals go up - which actually domain renewals too have gone down over the years. Why reverse that trend now?
 
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I have finally submitted my comment, and urge others to do so. @Sutruk has made good points in his post just above.

Who knows if it will have an impact on the decision. It was certainly disappointing how ICANN not only ignored but referred to as spam the huge number of comments left in the earlier discussion, but I wonder if this time might be different with it seems almost all of the registrars urging responses.

The essential issue as I see it is not that a .com registration is not worth 7% more, but rather the issue of whether Verisign, the caretaker but not the creator of the value of the .com TLD, deserve an increase when even their current price is so different than actual costs, and there was no competitive bid.

Bob
 
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Mailed them, remind you the price is for all, not just for domainer, it apply even to poor person from undeveloped country who have ambition to start something online or to use it improve the people life in his/her country.

The money we pay don't go to any non profit but for profit company, if they increase, they should justify it by open auction of who going to run the .com server not give the billion of dollars to one company without any fair market practice :) .
 
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Two easy ways to make sure your voice is heard are:

  1. The Internet Commerce Association has made submitting comments easy at https://www.internetcommerce.org/comment-com/
  2. Send an email directly to [email protected] with your thoughts on prices being raised.


email I sent 2 days ago:
[email protected]


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Everything tech related has gone down over time why should domain renewals go up - which actually even domain renewals have gone down too over the years. Why reverse that trend now?
Verisign already makes $1 billion in gross profit annually so the proposed .COM price increase is purely based on greed.

The current rate of $7.85 is already far more than justified. I am sure there are other companies quite happy to manage the monopoly of the .com Registry for way less than $7.85 per domain.

ICANN is supposed to govern the domain name system in the public interest. But it looks that $1 billion is not enough for Verisign.
 
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I wanted to let everyone know who may not have received the email from GoDaddy yesterday about our stance on the price increase and how you can make your voice heard on the comments. The comment period is still open for another day. The proposed price increase would be 7% for 4 years.

Here is the public comment link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/com-amendment-3-2020-01-03-en

Here is the email we sent out.

ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business.
Let your voice be heard.

As a large domain portfolio holder, ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business. ICANN has proposed an amendment to the .COM registry agreement between itself and Verisign. The proposal would allow Verisign to increase the price of .COM by up to 7% every year for the next 4 years. Since 2018, we have been actively working to raise awareness around this issue, including when GoDaddy testified before Congress in July 2018. Even now, we’re continuing to have discussions, but ultimately, we are one company. Now is the time for ICANN to hear your voice. Please take a few minutes to let ICANN know how allowing this increase will impact you in the years to come. The public comment period is open until February 14th. To be heard, use ICANN’s form to submit your personalized comments. We value your business and vow to keep advocating on your behalf.

Let's drop the pretense.

Is GoDaddy going to lead a class action lawsuit?
 
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Thank you Joe for creating the Thread. Only one day left.

Guys, I hope all of you comment against the increase of the .com Registry price.

At least if you don't want to pay more and more every year.
I think this is the least we can do.

https://www.internetcommerce.org/comment-com/

https://www.icann.org/public-comments/com-amendment-3-2020-01-03-en/mail_form

You just have to send an email to them.


Say that you are against the price increase and give some reasons.

No one other than Verisign want increases in .COM prices.
The current rate of $7.85 is already far more than justified.
Verisign is merely your manager of the .COM Registry – it has no business dictating the price.
ICANN is supposed to govern the domain name system in the public interest.
Verisign already makes $1 billion in gross profit annually so the proposed .COM price increase is purely based on greed.
Other registries have said that they could run the .COM contract for much less.

8,618 people have already sent an email to them.
 
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Stopping the price increases is not enough, the registry prices actually have to go down for .com

The original .com contract and its subsequent amendments have been conceived and implemented under dubious arrangements and are contrarary to the ICANN mission of protecting the public interest as there was no mechanism put into place to account for the almost doubling of the total number of .com domains in the past few years.

This whole situation has to be investigated as to how a few ICANN insiders and their friends have falsely justified the registry base price to begin with. In reality the registry price for .com at its current volume of registered domains should not be more than 2 or 3 dollars and would actually be more fair if it was at $1.95 .

With all the advancements in technology the cost of maintaining the .com registry does not justify the $7.85 price specially as the total number of .com domains keeps increasing steadily and so this makes this more like an arbitrary tax that is being forced on the registrants by the registry without providing anything of value and substance in return beyond their minimum requirements.

It seems that this whole thing is designed to serve the interest of a few ICANN insiders and their friends and not the interest of the registrants and the public at large.

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It’s really a supply and demand issue. Anyone when given the chance to own .com vs .whatever will almost always take it.
Agree Keith that it is highly desirable and many would want it. I think why so many feel that there is something wrong here is that it was not put out to any kind of tender or competitive bid, but simply extended.

Supply and demand could certainly support some significant rise in annual .com prices before much of a dent in registrations (not sure how much, maybe $25 or $30?). But if this was to be deliberately done, surely others should have been allowed to put in proposals? Where should that money have gone?

Possibly ironically, and perhaps relevant, a significant rise in .com and .org prices will benefit to some degree the general purpose country code and some of the new registries.

In the new gTLD situations the companies had to in general outbid each other, pay substantial fees to ICANN, and take the risk of starting something new and unproven. None of those applied to Verisign and .com, in my opinion.

Bob
 
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Over 70% comments @ ICANN are Copycat ... and it looks like they're doing their best to copy the most used template. Those who cannot express their minds in an unique/creative way cannot change anything.
Good point and those idiots might use that to say it was spam.

VERY IMPORTANT: Please no NOT copy a template when submitting your comments. In the past ICANN used that as an excuse to essentially ignore all comments. Please write your own comments in your own words.

Deadline is 6:59PM Eastern Time (in about 2.5 hours).


I like the idea of an increase. In fact, it should cost a fortune to hold an asset, where there’s only one in the world.

The problem with your argument is that a domain isn't uniquely an asset. It's also a means of communication and capacity to share speech/expression on a global scale. Pricing basic domains too high is akin to restricting free speech and the sharing and dissemination of ideas.

Combine that with the fact the purchase power of the average citizen is drastically difference around the world, by increasing the prices on what are supposed to be the original TLDs intended for ALL the citizens of the world, you are effectively decreasing the volume of the voices of those who need to be heard the most.

Indeed there's plenty of room for higher priced and exclusive domains .. that's effectively what the ngTLD program was created for. But it's a critical mistake to turn over what were the TLDs "of the people and the masses" into an elitist state where people have to pay more just to be heard. That goes against the very foundation and purpose of the Internet itself.


Yes it will render a lot worthless. It will kill most of liquidity of the mid and lower valued liquid domains. Domainers leave, legitimate private people leave, hobbyist leave. Small companies leave. Only tier one domains will survive but as the namespace shrinks they will drop big time in value just the same.

Stuff like that kills a namespace. But hey, you planted a seed for thought and I respect that. Would be a nice experiment and it could actually speed up the demise of the web as we know it which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

FYI .. the experiment's already been done .. several of the ngTLDs are hundreds even thousands of dollars per year. Some successful and some a total failure. I personally don't think the fact they are priced so high, or the fact some are somewhat restricted, is necessarily a bad thing. In fact .. I think there's a LOt of potential good that could come if done openly and properly. HOWEVER .. there needs to also be the basic TLDs for the people. Today in 2020 that's effectively .com .. more importantly .. Verisign was assigned stewardship of .com .. unlike all other ngTLD's, .com did not go through an application process ... as such it's completely wrong to assume Verisign should have the same rights to .com as other companies have to their own ngTLDs. .com is intended for the world .. as such it should be made available to as many people as possible, which means that ICANN should be doing everything in their power to keep .com prices as low as they possibly can so that everyone from all corners of the world can afford them!
 
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@Joe Styler

The email GoDaddy should have sent is an announcement of a class action lawsuit, with a link for financial contributions towards it.

Are you diffusing the outrage of this robbery?
 
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I have finally submitted my comment, and urge others to do so. @Sutruk has made good points in his post just above.

Who knows if it will have an impact on the decision. It was certainly disappointing how ICANN not only ignored but referred to as spam the huge number of comments left in the earlier discussion, but I wonder if this time might be different with it seems almost all of the registrars urging responses.

The essential issue as I see it is not that a .com registration is not worth 7% more, but rather the issue of whether Verisign, the caretaker but not the creator of the value of the .com TLD, deserve an increase when even their current price is so different than actual costs, and there was no competitive bid.

Bob
Thanks Bob. I knew you couldn't stand still on this matter. Every comment counts.
In fact, everybody in this forum should send an email and comment there.
At least if you have a .com
 
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I wanted to let everyone know who may not have received the email from GoDaddy yesterday about our stance on the price increase and how you can make your voice heard on the comments. The comment period is still open for another day. The proposed price increase would be 7% for 4 years.

Here is the public comment link: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/com-amendment-3-2020-01-03-en

Here is the email we sent out.

ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business.
Let your voice be heard.

As a large domain portfolio holder, ICANN has proposed changes that could significantly impact you and your business. ICANN has proposed an amendment to the .COM registry agreement between itself and Verisign. The proposal would allow Verisign to increase the price of .COM by up to 7% every year for the next 4 years. Since 2018, we have been actively working to raise awareness around this issue, including when GoDaddy testified before Congress in July 2018. Even now, we’re continuing to have discussions, but ultimately, we are one company. Now is the time for ICANN to hear your voice. Please take a few minutes to let ICANN know how allowing this increase will impact you in the years to come. The public comment period is open until February 14th. To be heard, use ICANN’s form to submit your personalized comments. We value your business and vow to keep advocating on your behalf.

@Joe Styler I scratch my head, because i find it hard for you to be able to be so concerned about ICANN and Verisign making a 7% pricing up adjustment to .com when your company charges $17.99 for a .com registration and renewal. i don't want to hear about any Domain Discount discount club that cost $89 a year, because the average consumer pays $17.99 for your .com product. do you care to elaborate on this ?
 
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My comments finally got posted ...


============ Submitted Comment ============

ICANN Proposed Amendment #3 is Censorship on the World, a Threat to Democracy and Strengthens a Monopoly


Dear Members, Board Members, Employees and Advisors of ICANN,

I write to you today in hopes to make you aware of the potential damage your Proposed Amendment #3 will do to the Internet Community as a whole, as well as to all the citizens of the world. Before doing so, I feel I need to quote something to serve as a reminder some of you seem to have forgotten:

"In performing its Mission, ICANN must operate in a manner consistent with these Bylaws for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole” - ICANN BYLAWS 1.2a (First Sentence)

While your proposal to allow the raising of .com pricing 31% from $7.85 USD to $10.26 USD might not seem like much, I specifically specified “USD” to stress the fact that for the majority of the people you are charged to represent, almost any price in “USD” is already a challenging sum to accrue.

Yet many people still pay what is a sizeable fee to them, because establishing themselves on a .com domain finally gives them a global voice, a planetary platform, a megaphone to the world; from which they can share information and ideas to improve their quality of life; or their political situation in the case of the oppressed or those who do not benefit from the same legal rights and freedoms of those in the nations where $7.85 seems insignificant; or even develop businesses from which the brightest entrepreneurs in the world can empower themselves to economic freedom for themselves, their families and communities while offering helpful goods and/or services to be benefited from by the rest of the world.

In fact, it would be wrong for me to even try to list all the possible ways in which a globally understood Domain Name can benefit an individual, a community, a society or even humanity as a whole. Such a list could never actually be complete specifically because of the grandiose scale of imagination and diversity of thought throughout our shared planet.

With regards to ANY increase in costs to .com domains, it is imperative that you understand that by allowing such increases to continue, you are removing the abilities of some to continue to have and share their voices, ideas and visions. What you would in fact be doing is censorship against the citizens of the world rather than helping those without a voice to finally have one. It would also be a threat to democracy in the cases where people struggle to share crucial information or their own ideas, and then go on to debate and challenge the status quo in hopes for something better.

The foundational premise of the internet is to help bring every citizen of the world together, as such we should be fighting to remove and reduce the barriers to access in each and every way possible, with one of the most notable being the cost of having a voice, the cost of being relevant, the cost of sharing an idea, information, a vision, a concept, a project or any of another countless things from which the rest of humanity can learn or grow from.

Beyond that, while clearly the pricing increases within Proposed Amendment #3 will be harmful to the people you are pledge to serve and protect, the “Internet Community” is still in growth. Also to be considered are not just the people currently with a .com domain who might no longer be able to afford the current global recognition thanks to having a .com domain; but also those who at $7.85 per year are already priced out of having such a voice. By implementing Proposed Amendment #3 you are effectively ignoring the voices of those who are currently unheard; of those who for whom having a global voice isn’t even possible now. By allowing the increasing of prices you would be diminishing their voices even more, sadly rendering them effectively meaningless because nobody will ever get a chance to listen to what they have to say.

With private enterprise creating and operating ngTLD registries, I personally don’t mind them seeing them used and even priced based on different priorities. Some of such TLDs have great potential to improve the Internet.

HOWEVER .. It should be very clear that there be a foundation of the Domain System and a minimum catalogue of TLDs available to anyone and everyone, regardless of race, location and fiscal capacity. By far the biggest and most significant of such TLDs is the .com TLD, of which there is currently no match and no realistic alternative.

While the current partially private structure within which the .com TLD is set up indeed has certain basic costs that cannot be ignored; the current .com steward, Verisign, is one of the most profitable companies in the world when it comes cost:profit and employees:profit ratios. The term “Cash Cow” is one regularly used when discussing the fiscal strength and success of Verisign. While all companies should strive to remain profitable, in this specific case it needs to be VERY clear that any unreasonable profits made by verisign, comes at the cost of censorship upon the least fortunate people in the world. Please do not forget that fact, and do not ignore your mandate to serve the ENTIRE global community.

ICANN should not and cannot simply ignore the facts and numbers, as those numbers prove that there is zero necessity or need to increase prices and therefore further incapacitate a larger portion of global citizens from acquiring a .com domain, one of the strongest globally recognised platforms in human history.

Furthermore, not only should any potential .com pricing increases be removed from Proposed Amendment #3, but if indeed ICANN were truly concerned with ALL the people they are mandated to represent, they should end the monopolistic and anti-competitive nature of the .com TLD and open the .com registry to actual competition via a bidding process.

This is not to say that the secure and stable history of the .com TLD under Verisign’s stewardship should be completely dismissed, nor that it shouldn’t even be given a premium versus other potential bidders. But without any real competition and a complete and fully transparent costing analysis of the operations of the .com registry, ANY increase in pricing in any way given the ever continuing reductions in technology costs is quite simply absurd.

In the end I implore you to think of the millions and eventually potentially billions of people that WILL BE harmed if .com domains allowed to go up in price … and remember that it’s those very billions of people that ICANN is supposed to represent.

Thank you for time and giving these comments the full consideration they deserve. If you have any questions or would like any clarifications, please do not hesitate to reach out.
 
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@Joe Styler Why doesn't Godaddy throw a lawsuit on this case? As the largest revenue source for both ICANN and Verisign there is surely a case to be made.

Sure, comments are good. That is they create a "feel good" moment, but anyone believing ICANN will listen to the comments is kidding themselves.
 
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Thanks Bob. I knew you couldn't stand still on this matter. Every comment counts.
In fact, everybody in this forum should send an email and comment there.
At least if you have a .com

Just did
 
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Making comments and sending emails is just a waste of time, these people are going to keep doing what they do until they are stopped by a higher force.

So if you are going to send any emails I would suggest sending it to those who have the authority to hold those ICANN insiders legally accountable for racketeering.

IMO
Making comments and sending emails is just a waste of time, these people are going to keep doing what they do until they are stopped by a higher force.

So if you are going to send any emails I would suggest sending it to those who have the authority to hold those ICANN insiders legally accountable for racketeering.

IMO
Thank you for the advice.
at least I do something even if the effect is small, or not at all.
compared to me just shut up and not do something.
 
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If godaddy protests it’s because they want to keep low prices for their bottom line. More registrations equal more revenue.

At this stage, .com should be $1,000 a year to hold. It would actually build the internet enduser base and create real content. The days of holding loads of domains hostage should come to an end imo.

your jokes are always the best
 
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