I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

[12no3]

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned


good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

 

[LucidDomains]

Go do the research on that, it's actually very backwards.

The gist of what I got from reading fallout threads was that David & Shane had a lot to say about Shane Cultra and sponsorships and representations that were going on.

It seems that the credibility of the forum cam into question, and that was a problem.

Dig through some threads if they still exist.

I've had a pretty good experience here, and none of this would ever happen if I was doing a deal like this, but what I'm seeing is a lot of bandwagon behavior and people making assumptions of credibility when glass houses are abundant.

There have been a lot of questionable threads in the past started by either of them which had nothing to do with Shane Cultra.

I will trust in NamePros decision as they have all the facts and I would be just speculating based on limited information.

 

[deez007]

@12no3

I have to give full credit to you for having the temperament and tolerance to have actually been fair and given Shane more than 20 days to get back to you before resorting to posting a thread here.

That says a lot about your character mate, so well done for that. I think it's highly commendable.

I'm glad you were able to at least recover some of your domains and that you've also taken this as a valuable lesson.

All the best with your future deals, I'm sure you wont be in a situation like this again.

If you are going to use Paypal again, (for smaller amounts) it's a good idea to send the buyer a Paypal invoice and have them pay on the invoice instead of just sending you a PayPal payment. One the invoice you can clearly state the terms and conditions of the sale. One them should be: This sale is for (domainname.com) and will be pushed from: (Registrar) Account/Username to the following account: (Buyers account details). Once the domain has been pushed and accepted by the seller into the respective account NO CHARGEBACKS / DISPUTES will be permitted or tolerated.

 

[LucidDomains]

WTF I just missed the OP pictures.

Who the f*ck uses an email like this to do legitimate business?

Show attachment 47379

This should scream scammer to anyone...right? OP what that holy f*ck were you thinking. You should have run a mile when you saw this...

How many people here would use an email address like this in a $6K deal?

I just be interested to know. Maybe I'm the only person thinking WTF when I see an email address like this.

 

[Jv1999]

So West.xyz says they're accredited by ICANN, which means they HAVE TO allow transfers out, right? https://www.west.xyz/en/services/transfer/

I dunno ...

 

[deez007]

EDIT:

So I initially complimented the OP for his patience...

But now! - I found this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shane...Bellone-Launches-Fish-Stick-Shane-Bel-1304961

The Op says on this thread that his transaction happened on 2016/09

Why is then that ripoffreport complained was posted on 2016/05 and it's the exact word for word copy of what the OP posted here?

 

[anantj]

EDIT:

So I initially complimented the OP for his patience...

But now! - I found this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shane...Bellone-Launches-Fish-Stick-Shane-Bel-1304961

The Op says on this thread that his transaction happened on 2016/09

Why is then that ripoffreport complained was posted on 2016/05 and it's the exact word for word copy of what the OP posted here?

Where?

 

[kriss05]

They are unrelated I think.

 

[deez007]

Where?

Check the link I provided

 

[deez007]

Oppps Sorry my bad.. see my comment below..

 

[deez007]

OH SHOOOT

SORRY FOLKS!!!

MY BAD...... I was getting OP's thread mixed up with the blogpost here:
http://shanebellonesucks.blogspot.co.za/

Sorry folks.....MY BAD

 

[anantj]

OH SHOOOT

SORRY FOLKS!!!

MY BAD...... I was getting OP's thread mixed up with the blogpost here:
http://shanebellonesucks.blogspot.co.za/

Sorry folks.....MY BAD

Thanks for the clarification. You had me confused there for a moment

 

[deez007]

EDIT:

So I initially complimented the OP for his patience...

But now! - I found this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shane...Bellone-Launches-Fish-Stick-Shane-Bel-1304961

The Op says on this thread that his transaction happened on 2016/09

Why is then that ripoffreport complained was posted on 2016/05 and it's the exact word for word copy of what the OP posted here?

Appologies for this post folks.....I had the http://shanebellonesucks.blogspot.co.za/ open at the same time and confused the Op's thread with the the blogspot story then when I saw the same story on ripoff report I though it was the OP's story..

Applogies for this..,

My initial comments about the Op showing sound character for actually having the patience and giving Shane 20 days to respond before resorting to posting a thread here is highly commendable... still stands!..

 

[DomainVP]

I don't have to be a hobbyist to have restrictions. You're increasingly getting irrational.

Hey, if you want to use your wifes PayPal because you have restrictions on yours you sound like a hobbyist.

That's just me. I don't have to use anyones PayPal but my own, as irrational as that may be.

Where has he said he's a professional domainer?

You run/founded a registrar... sounds non-amateurish (aka professional) to me friend.

By your statement, Hanlon's razor

You are going to throw Hanlon's razor around yet you don't consider a registrar founder a 'professional' and barely have your own PayPal... come on now. Prioritize.

You're increasingly performing ad-hominem attacks on the OP without even considering human error. And even if you do accept he committed an error, you're not willing to make allowances for that

The EXACT quote that you were responding to was this:

I'm 1000% sure that this is a case of OP bungling his affairs, because that's what it smells like.

Sounds like I made an allowance for his human error.

 

[anantj]

Hey, if you want to use your wifes PayPal because you have restrictions on yours you sound like a hobbyist.

Restrictions are on ALL accounts based in India. Not solely my account

You run/founded a registrar... sounds non-amateurish (aka professional) to me friend.

Running a registrar does not make him a professional domainer/domain investor

You are going to throw Hanlon's razor around yet you don't consider a registrar founder a 'professional' and barely have your own PayPal... come on now. Prioritize.

What? Not sure where you got I don't have my own paypal. Nor am I sure why you're connecting being a professional to being capable of erring.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Seller is always wrong by default in PayPal.
Never forget about that.

 

[aceeca]

Looking at the plain facts, the OP has been scammed and lost money. The only mistake OP did was not to check email during the time chargeback was made on Paypal.

If Shane is innocent as his minnows here claim to be why the freaking hell doesn't he respond to calls & WA messages ? Why????? Shane has time to update his twitter feed BUT no freaking time to respond to messages.

Attaching SCREENSHOTS of Shane's twitter feed

 

[DnFolk]

This is a clear cut fraud. I'm also added on that whatsapp group and know about it from OP when the scam happened. OP and so many others tried to contact Shane politely about it, gave so much time, many days, weeks but no response. I'm baffled to see that some people here are ranting on OP for silly irrelevant things and taking side of shane in spite of all obvious evident visible proof that how OP has been scammed by him.

PS one more lesson for us to not select paypal as payment method for large amount.

 

[dordomai]

deez007 said: ↑
EDIT:

So I initially complimented the OP for his patience...

But now! - I found this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shane...Bellone-Launches-Fish-Stick-Shane-Bel-1304961

The Op says on this thread that his transaction happened on 2016/09

Why is then that ripoffreport complained was posted on 2016/05 and it's the exact word for word copy of what the OP posted here?

this is unrelated to this discussion... has to do with Flippa.. I think last year some folks got angry because there were threads about Dicker and Flippa from Shane and that pissed some people off and they went on to create these ShaneSucks ShaneScam sites and entries as a revenge.

 

[slader23]

If Shane wasn't guilty he'd be making damn sure everyone here know that he is innocent. Hiding from the truth is a telltale sign of someone in the wrong. In business, reputation and being a man/woman of your word are paramount to having successful deals and relationships. The OP has provided all the evidence required to make a sound judgement and Shane, the opposition, has failed to defend himself fully knowing that the OP has created this thread. There are no two ways around this, if he is not defending himself with this thread out there for all domainers to see.....he is the one that is guilty and rightfully so.

The OP is a domainer that operates on a level much higher than most domainers replying on this thread and his post should be a lesson to all of us not just about when to/when not to use paypal but also the fact that shady actions are intolerable at every level of business. I mean seriously I can't believe someone had the audacity to say that to a millionaire a loss like this is forgettable....It doesn't matter how rich you are if you are present for all steps of a transaction be it selling a plane or selling replica mickey mouse watches on a street corner in mumbai, your going to be pissed if you get scammed by a buyer and make damn sure everyone knows about it, so they don't make the same mistake.


This thread is the product of Shane's actions don't forget that.

 

[Addison]

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