I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

[12no3]

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned


good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

 

[ison]

He can take screenshots of PayPal activity... but can't reply to a dispute.

So silly...

To be perfectly honest, your aggressive vilification of the OP seems even sillier. You called his story B.S., you make speculative accusations, and you keep using the term B.S. Yet, you silently skirt around the massive, gaping holes in Shane's side of the story. Based on your last several comments, you sound very angry and personally invested in the matter.

 

[DomainVP]

gaping holes

Did you know that the full explanation by Shane to PayPal is available to OP in the dispute panel.

I wonder why OP didn't post that , because I would have if it contained 'lies'.

I am just looking forward to all the regular bandwagon bullies eating some humble pie. It's not even the claims, its the trash responses people regurgitate that make this forum less attractive to return to.

This actually is not all that implausible as you make it out. I use my Wife's Paypal to receive funds when my account crosses the limit or I don't have access to Paypal (due to login verification issues or other reasons). Her Paypal is tied to her e-mail ID that I don't check. It would be very easy for me to miss a dispute e-mail in this scenario. Not a made up scenario but real. Oh and yes, I did just get her to check all e-mails from Paypal in her account to make sure there weren't any disputed charges or refunds (phew)

Thats you. Would you expect this same behavior from someone who runs a registrar and spends 'millions' on transactions?

I think not.

Why do you have 'limits'? Maybe you are a domain hobbyist - and that's fine.

OP is a 'professional', and should manage his business affairs better - and that's the main point.

I'm 1000% sure that this is a case of OP bungling his affairs, because that's what it smells like.

angry and personally invested in the matter.

If you are wondering why I am so vocal about it, just go back to my first statement.

Look at all of these spineless jellyfish jumping on a bandwagon to dump on someone that has done more good than harm and was banned for speaking out more against NP policies than being 'shady'.

He doesn't need me to stick up for him, but what I will call out is the reemergence of the Namepros Nancy mentality where people would rather mob up and complain rather than use their damn head.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[mad409]

I don't know the OP, not sure about this millionaire stuff. But if so even they need something to do, maybe it's to continue domaining...

They didn't get their money by letting people screw them therefore if I were one I would let the dog out of the house too.

I'm still waiting on more details before I make judgement..

 

[Messiah]

Just because you have met or have done business with Shane doesn't mean that the other person is wrong.

Shane might have spoken about Adam, Flippa, NP policies or whatever, but that doesn't pass the judgement on the current situation until he comes himself and talks about it.

 

[anantj]

Thats you. Would you expect this same behavior from someone who runs a registrar and spends 'millions' on transactions?

I think not.

As a part of his business? No. I would not. As someone who's hobby is domaining and who has a multi-million dollar main business, maybe. Mistakes happen which the OP has owned up to it. Not sure if beating and belaboring his mistake again and again as the ultimate sin changes facts.

Btw, regarding your "That's you", the same response can be given to your earlier comment on how organized you are and how the OP is not and that makes him shady. That's you - who organizes e-mail. A lot of folks DON'T organize their e-mails or even check it regularly. That does not make them sinners and criminals.

Why do you have 'limits'? Maybe you are a domain hobbyist - and that's fine.

Country and government restrictions. Please see http://www.sendmoneytoindia.com/guide/paypal_india_and_its_recent_restrictions.php

I don't have to be a hobbyist to have restrictions. You're increasingly getting irrational.

OP is a 'professional', and should manage his business affairs better - and that's the main point.

Where has he said he's a professional domainer? And are you saying that NO professional in the history of time has ever been scammed? Or made a mistake? You're living in a different universe than me.

I'm 1000% sure that this is a case of OP bungling his affairs, because that's what it smells like.

That's you. Bungled is NOT equal to scamming. By your statement, Hanlon's razor applies perfectly here (in case you don't know - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor)

You're increasingly performing ad-hominem attacks on the OP without even considering human error. And even if you do accept he committed an error, you're not willing to make allowances for that

Edit: Minor corrections

 

[baseballworld]

Back in the good ole days we would solve this very easily.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/th...-and-oldies-you-get-the-idea.761952/page-1881

 

[NamesCost]

Not sure why people say innocent till proven guilty ... I think those people have never been accused.

In the real world the process is innocent till accused then guilty till proven innocent.

 

[LucidDomains]

WTF I just missed the OP pictures.

Who the fuck uses an email like this to do legitimate business?

This should scream scammer to anyone...right? OP what that holy fuck were you thinking. You should have run a mile when you saw this...

 

[Messiah]

WTF I just missed the OP pictures.

Who the f*ck uses an email like this to do legitimate business?

Show attachment 47379

This should scream scammer to anyone...right? OP what that holy f*ck were you thinking.

Easy...People do... Look at this post..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tabathaleg...mail-addresses?utm_term=.bx0zOgWar#.ojz6Zyn8x

 

[Jv1999]

WTF I just missed the OP pictures.

Who the f*ck uses an email like this to do legitimate business?

Show attachment 47379

This should scream scammer to anyone...right? OP what that holy f*ck were you thinking. You should have run a mile when you saw this...

It's just like reddit :D, only with $6k usd involved.

 

[LucidDomains]

Easy...People do... Look at this post..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tabathaleg...mail-addresses?utm_term=.bx0zOgWar#.ojz6Zyn8x

Teenage email addresses are one thing, but "throwaway124342532".

 

[gilescoley]

No I been against this label crap and from the beginning and wish it wasnt around cause it instills false confidence which any newbie with a checkbook or pure lucky sale can get in.

PRO members are the financial/famous leaders of the domain industry. VIPs are important/leading contributors of the community.

I think you are generalizing by bringing in the "PRO" aspect into the argument here, it has nothing to do with it, its about somebody being dishonest or shady..I see a lot more shady and scamming threads by regular members on here.

At the moment, we have only heard one side and people are passing judgement. People need to slow down and wait to see if you hear anything from Shane himself before making any decisions. I don't see any screenshots or proof of the dealings so its all just assumptions at the moment. I hope they can resolve the issue though, it doesn't reflect well on the industry.

 

[anantj]

Easy...People do... Look at this post..

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tabathaleg...mail-addresses?utm_term=.bx0zOgWar#.ojz6Zyn8x

I hope that was tongue in cheek as those are not real e-mail addresses. That entire post is a spoof/satire post.

 

[Messiah]

I hope that was tongue in cheek as those are not real e-mail addresses. That entire post is a spoof/satire post.

where was this mentioned as spoof/satire?

 

[DomainVP]

Just because you have met or have done business with Shane doesn't mean that the other person is wrong.

I base my opinion on what the OP has presented and Shanes answer which has been already reported.

The story and 'proof' by OP sounds weaker than a wet paper bag. I didn't even need to hear a response to it, I can read this trite and tell it's garbage.

So I can pass my own judgment based on experience and the evidence I have seen.

 

[anantj]

where was this mentioned as spoof/satire?

It's not explicitly mentioned. The e-mail addresses indicates this. Almost all e-mail addresses refer to something that each celebrity is (in)famous for. Most obvious being, Kate Middleton - Princessintraining@ or Emma Watson - Books_not_boys (which was the case for her character in Harry Potter).

Additionally, the link url is tabathaleggett/if-celebrities-had-teenage-email-addresses?utm_term=.cdKRewbKej#.rizJkD0Wk8

The "if" in the url is also a dead giveaway

 

[Messiah]

I base my opinion on what the OP has presented and Shanes answer which has been already reported.

The story and 'proof' by OP sounds weaker than a wet paper bag. I didn't even need to hear a response to it, I can read this trite and tell it's garbage.

So I can pass my own judgment based on experience and the evidence I have seen.

Well..of course you have your own experience and judgement on this.

But the thing that Shane doesn't answer is how was he able to transfer out 42 domains if this was the only problem for his PayPal dispute.

 

[LucidDomains]

Shane's answer was posted on...

http://www.this_username_was_banned/shane-bellone-is-not-a-scammer-dont-believe-everything-you-read/

Clearly NamePros management don't consider David Walker a respectable person of the community. That brings his credibility in question. Therefore I how can we believe anything from his blog.

Can either one of them come forward and post here?

P.S. I have nothing against David Walker, just calling as I see it.

 

[mad409]

I base my opinion on what the OP has presented and Shanes answer which has been already reported.

The story and 'proof' by OP sounds weaker than a wet paper bag. I didn't even need to hear a response to it, I can read this trite and tell it's garbage.

So I can pass my own judgment based on experience and the evidence I have seen.

Until you hear all the facts no one can be sure, I personally want to hear more from the other side of this..

 

[DomainVP]

Clearly NamePros management don't consider David Walker a respectable person of the community. That brings his credibility in question.

Go do the research on that, it's actually very backwards.

The gist of what I got from reading fallout threads was that David & Shane had a lot to say about Shane Cultra and sponsorships and representations that were going on.

It seems that the credibility of the forum cam into question, and that was a problem.

Dig through some threads if they still exist.

I've had a pretty good experience here, and none of this would ever happen if I was doing a deal like this, but what I'm seeing is a lot of bandwagon behavior and people making assumptions of credibility when glass houses are abundant.

Everyone can point fingers, yammer, and have a good old fashioned character lynching - it's typical here.

Good night, and good luck.