Hyphens get no respect ...

[everify]

Hyphens get no respect ....

Why is something like QZX (.com, .net .org) worth more than something like G-R in the same extension (.com, .net .org) ? And yes, I have seen these undesirable 3 letter names transact, while the dash names do not.

There are 17,576 combos for the thre letters

There are 676 combos for the hyphen

Matching end users to a hyphen has got to be many times easier and more likely.

I know that there are issues with SEO and searches, but these issues don't really apply to acronyms that much, and in some cases could work the other way if branded properly.

I would think a hyphen would be worth roughly the same as the least desirable letters. Obviously I am way off the mark here, I just don't understand it.

This looks like a legacy issue. The problem is that with long standing sales data and so few transactions the values will likely remain depressed for many years.

 

[Pred]

I fully agree dude, we must be on the same planetary alignment dude,a as just posted this in other thread:

"I have just posted a thread about LL-L.com & L-LL.com and also about the not so humble '-' (dash)

Imho the most under-rated character in domaining. Read It Here

 

[Phronesis]

I think it comes down to marketing. It just doesn't sound as natural to say "visit A dash B dot com" as "visit ABC dot com".

 

[Pred]

I think it comes down to marketing. It just doesn't sound as natural to say "visit A dash B dot com" as "visit ABC dot com".

but they are 2 different things.

the example of ABC.com and A-B-C.com appeal to a company with the acronym ABC. They were BOTH regged in 1996 and both are being used by endusers btw

A-B would appeal to a company with acronym letters AB
ab.com belongs to a company and is developed and even if didnt have a company wrapped around it would go for 6-7 figures

A-B actually comes into it's own as the next best to AB
& as A-B (as in 'A to B') for a delivery, courier firm etc

Incidentally A-B.com doesn't resolve and is not for sale. A waste

 

[Kate]

I think it comes down to marketing. It just doesn't sound as natural to say "visit A dash B dot com" as "visit ABC dot com".

Not to mention that it's easier to type without hyphen. Also a very short name looks spoiled with one hyphen let alone two...

 

[ssamriga]

for the sake of my L-L-Ls I hope endusers start liking hyphens more
Also it is especially notable with Americans, they don't like hyphen, Germans for example like and use it a lot in domain names...

 

[everify]

Hyphen aversion is due to the domain wholesale market

I still believe much of the Hyphen aversion is due to the domain wholesale market rather than endusers. I have been doing searches of "L-L" and website after website comes up developed with the hyphens (it has been pulling up all kinds of hyphen names, not just three char) as part of the name. I actually believe the end users have been registering and developing these rather than going to the aftermarket to get their domain names.

 

[Pred]

Not to mention that it's easier to type without hyphen. Also a very short name looks spoiled with one hyphen let alone two...

see post 4, u2 are missing the point.

I still believe much of the Hyphen aversion is due to the domain wholesale market rather than endusers. I have been doing searches of "L-L" and website after website comes up developed with the hyphens (it has been pulling up all kinds of hyphen names, not just three char) as part of the name. I actually believe the end users have been registering and developing these rather than going to the aftermarket to get their domain names.

you are quite right. thats why 25% of L-L-L.com are developed sites, we know that for a fact. there have been wuite a few enduser sales lately because they can't be handregged, the same will happen with L-LL & LL-L.com

ultimately it doesn't matter what a percentage of domainers think, it is endusers that count, and sales of these 'tyrp' of domains will increase year on year :imho:

 

[vlad74]

what is the right name for "-": hyphen or dash?

 

[Wyatt]

what is the right name for "-": hyphen or dash?

Personally I say dash but I don't think there's really a "right name" for them.

 

[Pred]

Personally I say dash but I don't think there's really a "right name" for them.

same here

 

[Don_OKC]

what is the right name for "-": hyphen or dash?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen

I personally have found it much easier to say my ip address checker website My-i-p.com is "my dash i dash p dot com" than "my hyphen i hyphen p dot com" and folks seem to remember it better using dash. Even though dash is not correct they will hit the keyboard's hyphen key and everything works out in the end.

 

[Phronesis]

Please don't take offense but I get tongue tied even trying to read your website out loud, which goes back to what I was saying before. It's difficult to market names that don't just roll off the tongue. And I'm only speaking from experience (sig ). If it's SEO you're worried about, they are fine. But hyphens just don't sound natural when you say them. It's like pronouncing punctuation in a sentence. It's the same reason imo that 5L.com "brandables" like wuuku.com aren't the best choice. They don't pass the radio test unless you spell it out to your audience.

 

[Don_OKC]

I agree, you do get tongue-tied when speaking the hyphen and finger-tied when typing a hyphen on the keyboard. That is why I say (when spoken) the incorrect dash which seems a little softer on the ear and easier to remember. I also think (if possible) try to use letters which are located close to the keyboard's hyphen key (e.g. i-p, p-p, o-p, etc.) to prevent finger-tying.

Far as my 2 short L-LL domains, I bought them to save as possible future development and My-i-p.com was bought as the shortest, easy to remember name I could hand reg for development of an ip checker. These domains were not intended for domaining so the hyphens really did not bother myself.

One last thought, hyphens are best with dot coms. :imho:

 

[Shasta]

Hyphens get no respect ....The problem is that with long standing sales data and so few transactions the values will likely remain depressed....

Well then, we'll just have to help them get some respect by posting sales data more often...

77-0.com
$300
2008-03-05
SEDO.com

dg-k.com
$442
2008-02-21
SEDO.com

d8-0.com
$117
2008-02-13
SEDO.com

4-4.com
$2,494
2008-01-28
SEDO.com

5-o.com
$561
2007-12-24
SEDO.com

8-z.com  <-----2007
$1,005
2007-11-30
TDNAM.com

j-h.com
$2,450
2007-11-05   <-----2007
SEDO.com

0-5.com
$860
2007-10-20
SEDO.com

2-p.com
$489
2007-10-20

c-o.com
$3,200
2007-01-05   
Sedo

1-5.com
$993
2007-01-05
Sedo

5-5.com
$950
2007-01-05
Sedo

w-q.com
$1,032
2006-12-24
Sedo

a-22.com
$10
2006-11-28
Afternic Bazaar

i-23.com
$9
2006-11-23
Afternic Bazaar

dd-i.com
$95
2005-08-29
Afternic

8-m.com
$125
2005-07-27   <----2005
Afternic

z-n.com
$235
2005-06-20    <----2005
Afternic

5-b.com
$80
2005-04-19
Afternic

1-f.com
$503
2007-10-20
SEDO.com

v-w.com
$2,605
2007-10-11
SEDO.com

0-03.com
$77
2007-04-25
AfterNic

y-x.com
$2,200
2007-04-23
Sedo

4-5.com
$771
2007-04-06
Sedo

c-e.com
$1,250
2007-03-12
Sedo

5-h.com
$399
2007-02-25
Sedo

g-l.com
$2,015
2007-02-21
SnapNames

2-8.com
$1,300
2007-02-17
Sedo

5-f.com
$335
2007-02-13
Sedo


f-8.com
$492
2007-02-03
TDNAM

1-j.com
$326
2007-02-01
Sedo

5-z.com
$360
2007-01-24
Sedo

0-3.com
$720
2007-01-18
Sedo

e-na.com
$2,000
2007-01-17
BuyDomains


.................................................



GRAB BAB...

free-credit-report.com
$28,250
2007-10-31
drt auction

cash-station.com
$20,005
2006-12-11
TDNAM

coming-soon.com
$20,000
2007-12-12
SEDO.com

united-kingdom.com
$15,500
2007-03-21
DNF

assurance-sante.com
$13,566
2007-04-18
Sedo

e-partners.com
$12,088
2008-03-05
AfterNic.com

cheap-tickets.com
$10,000
2005-09-19
Afternic

medical-billing.com
$9,000
2006-12-20
Afternic

people-search.com
$5,600
2005-09-16
Afternic

dating-site.com
$5,320
2008-03-04
SEDO.com

ad-warese.com
$5,000
2006-12-29
Afternic

pm-global.com
$4,200
2005-03-24
Afternic

hotel-reservation.com
$4,080
2007-10-04
SEDO.com

thedavincicode-movie.com
$3,750
2005-05-10
Afternic

no-name.com
$3,688
2007-04-11
BuyDomain

bet-site.com
$3,500
2004-08-26
Afternic

xn--2z1b67o3qg.com
$3,500
2007-02-08
SnapNames

c-o.com
$3,200
2007-01-05

Sedo
xn--hxt033f.com
$3,188
2007-02-08

SnapNames
glimpse-indonesia.com
$3,165
2007-12-09

TDNAM.com
xn--cble-boa.com
$3,070
2007-02-08
SnapNames

algebra-online.com
$3,000
2004-09-13
Afternic

private-altersvorsorge.com
$2,993
2007-04-19
Sedo

work-at-home.com
$2,900
2006-12-13
SnapNames

automobile-insurance.com
$2,800
2006-11-25
BuyDomains

xn--fjqv0l.com
$2,703
2007-02-08

SnapNames
gps-tracking.com
$2,688
2008-01-09
AfterNic.com

assurance-de-personnes.com
$2,660
2007-03-08
Sedo

v-w.com
$2,605
2007-10-11
SEDO.com

no-dairy.com
$2,500
2005-11-21
Afternic

m-o-i.com
$2,500
2006-12-04
BuyDomains

c-m-m.com
$2,500
2007-03-21
BuyDomain

4-4.com
$2,494
2008-01-28
SEDO.com

max-well.com
$2,488
2007-02-28
BuyDomain

j-h.com
$2,450
2007-11-05
SEDO.com

auto-adrenalina.com
$2,405
2007-11-09
TDNAM.com

Note the difference in prices from 2005 - 2008.

UPDATED - Added domains with dashes over 4 characters in length at the bottom of the list.

 

[GreenGambler]

Personally I say dash but I don't think there's really a "right name" for them.

I refer to them as hyphens but say dash, if that makes sense.. lol

A--D.com is "A dash dash D .com" , not "A hyphen hyphen D .com"

But I call it a two letter double hyphentated domain name.


A hyphen is just another character on the keyboard. No harder to type than the number "0" and no harder to say than the letter "w". They are meant to represent a space, IMO.

 

[DnEbook]

I prefer the word dash , i just typed in j-o-b into google and got 888,000,000 results , then i typed in j-o-b.info (which i own) 953,000, strange sometimes higher results , but i think it shows that dash's get results

 

[Phronesis]

I prefer the word dash , i just typed in j-o-b into google and got 888,000,000 results , then i typed in j-o-b.info (which i own) 953,000, strange sometimes higher results , but i think it shows that dash's get results

The hyphen is invisible to Google. Ie, you get the exact same results with "job" as you do with "j-o-b".

 

[GreenGambler]

The hyphen is invisible to Google. Ie, you get the exact same results with "job" as you do with "j-o-b".

Hmm.. You would think the same about three letter double hyphens. I'm not saying reg them (at all), just looking into them.

However J--O--B only gets 324,000 results.

 

[buckshotdots]

People are VERY visual and an ad for 1-0-5.com is very easy to see/ understand/ remember IMO.

g-