discuss How to register new gTLD names in 2019 (and actually sell them).

[Brands.International]

How to register new gTLD names in 2019
(and actually sell them).

This is written particularly for new domain investors - I hope it will save you some money
It is only my personal opinion, and I might be wrong (of course). So here we go:
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1. Register 1 word domain name, in most cases try to avoid 2 word domain names ​

Example of 1 word domain name: holy.life. Example of 2 word domain name: myholy.life or ourholy.life.
Why? Because chances of selling 2 word domain name in new gTLD space is very small (consult namebio.com). Do not think you can outsmart someone with your word1word2.gTLD combo...in most cases you will not outsmart anyone, and usually you will be dropping such names after 1 year. There are exceptions from this rule of course, but safest bet is to simply avoid it, particularly when you just start with domain investing.

2. Register names with not many alternatives in new gTLD space​

This simply means, that end users can not find alternatives for your name in other new gTLD extension, for reg fee.(use uniregistry.com to check that). Particularly when you ignore point no.1 and register 2 word domain name, you will usually find that your string exists in dozens of other new gTLD extensions...and is available to be registered by anyone for reg fee. This subsequently means you will have no leverage when it comes to negotiations with end users.To learn exactly what "alternatives in new gTLD space" means, read this new gTLD appraisal thread here.

3. Register names with large pools of potential end users.​

You can have perfect new gTLD name, but if there are only few suitable end users who can use your name, it will usually take long time to sell it. If you register name where millions of potential end users exist (so something pretty broad and generic), you will be getting much more offers, and you will be able to close much more sales.

4. To be first is not always better...sometimes it is better to be second.​

When registering new gTLD names, consider this: when extension is brand new, there is almost zero awareness about it among end users (unless there is a huge marketing campaign for it you know about).
It can take years for awareness to be created. This also means that for many extensions there is almost 0 aftermarket in early times. Usually only fellow domain investors. This is natural - if something is very new, almost no one knows about it. So if you want to be first to get best names, fine, but budget for your investments accordingly - it is not wise to expect that you will buy something totally new for USD 10, and you will be able to flip it to end user for USD 10k. It happens, but rarely. There are many experienced new gTLD domain investors, who simply wait for drops after 1st year and pick up some very nice names. But this wisdom comes with years of investing experience and is not something what can be intuitively understood, at least from what I see.

5. Make sure renewals of your domain names are sustainable.​

Second most important thing in new gTLD domain investment (after quality of the name) - make sure you understand renewal fees for your domain names. In order for you to be in a long term game, renewal fees of your domain names must be sustainable (aka low). Otherwise you will be dropping almost all of your names after 1 year, and all your effort will be wasted.

6. Make proper landers for your names​

Do not just let your domain names without proper landing pages. Do not be lazy and immediately prepare landers for them. Imo best option is undeveloped.com atm, but many good alternatives are available as well.
Some old school domainers are used to the fact that they were contacted by people who found their contact details in WHOIS database - this is not possible anymore, as due to GDPR legislation most records from WHOIS database are now masked. This also means that when you have new gTLD domain name, your details will be masked in most cases (again, there are few exceptions from this rule, but do not rely on them),. Buyers thus have no way how to contact you. Clear landing pages are a must in 2019.

7. Do not follow the herd.​

Just because all people at Namepros are registering .panda (just an example), it does not mean you also need to register .panda...Most people are not profitable and are actually loosing lot of money - so if you will do the same thing as most people, you will have the same results as most people....

When you follow the herd, it is not only that competition is huge, but you will end up registering nonsense word1 word2 names, in times where there is no aftermarket created yet, when you do not know if there are some renewal promotions in future, when major domain selling sites not yet support that extension, and when there is no awareness yet among end users. Likely result of your action: you will drop your names prior first renewal round. This is happening since 2014 in many forms and shapes, still it seems like most people like to repeat those mistakes happily again and again.

You need to find your niche/extensions/areas of expertise and go from there. The most lucrative way is still to buy new gTLD names from fellow domain investors, but almost no one is doing it, except few people. Typical newbie new gTLD domain "investor" will rather spend USD 10 on 200 bad names and will not sell even 1 of them, prior dropping them all, then to pay USD 2000 for 1 great name which can sell for great profit. Which leads to:

8. Get 2-3 good names instead of 200-300 bad names (which you will drop anyway).​

Buy only quality new gTLD names, as only highest quality sells in 2019. And you know that you have great new gTLD domain name, if you have a good feeling renewing it 9 years in advance.This should be always your test: am I confident enought for this name, so I have no problem to pay years in advance for it's renewal fees? Now to critics which would tell you that you are blocking unnecessarily your capital by paying renewals in advance, I would like to remind:
a) renew your name years in advance if there is a great renewal promotion (you can save sometimes 90% of total cost, as some renewal promotions for new gTLDs are simply amazing)
b) when you renew your new gTLD name 9 years in advance, it tells your potential buyers something about your commitment....in my experience, it is much easier to negotiate if your name is renewed like that.

Buyers are not stupid: they will check everything possible about you and your names, and in most cases they are simply waiting if the name does not expire/if you do not drop it . But when we are in 2019 and your name is renewed until 2027, this waiting game is simply over for them, and they need to approach you if they want the name. But to play this game, you really need to have good new gTLD names.

9. Get to social media and make lot of connections.
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Do not be a secret seller. Have your portfolio clearly visible to anyone, and go to Twitter, Linkedin, Instagram, Youtube and Facebook at least. People with most success have great online presence, and professionally looking marketplaces.

10. Price your domain names as a pro, do not be a chicken
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Look, if you price your domains with $120 price tag (for example), this will result in following: you will sell your best domains quickly for low price (and when you report it, fellow domain investors will say Congrats congrats, congrats, and you will feel great as super-seller), but at the same time you will be left with portfolio of bad domain names, which no one wants even for this low price tag. This is sure way to poor financial status and poverty. You do not want that. New gTLD names are very unique, as they are are pure phrases without any suffix, and are therefore also geo neutral. They have great value, and this value grows in time.
If you have great new gTLD name, renew it for years in advance, and do not let it go for cheap - as one day you might retire on it...

11. Bonus point - do not listen to "voices of past" with "only .com is an good investment" mantra
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This is already past us and so not 2019 - luckily we see this nonsense less and less ...

What is your opinion when it comes to new gTLDs registrations ? ​

 

[Bob Hawkes]

You make good points @Grego85 . While dropcatch in the new gTLDs is not as formalized it is happening much more than even a year ago. I now routinely check any potential acquisition's prior registration history and most of the names I am interested in have recently been dropped and mamy I drop are being picked up quickly. Partly as a consequence I am lately straying to less registered ngTLDs where sometimes great matches go unnoticed. Thanks for your post.
Bob

 

[Brands.International]

See your prior praise below Bob, maybe you should have said you are not convinced earlier on in this thread instead of praise the sale and what the seller saw in this?

If you were "frequently and consistently emphasized how critical it is to look at renewal costs" then you and lolwarrior wouldn't be praising this sale now and saying it is just a different investment style as opposed to an obviously bad idea.

Let me ask you this, if someone you know walks into a casino, bets $10,000 on red and walks out with twice as much money do you pat them on the back and tell them what a good idea it was, or would you do what a true friend would do, and tell them they are wasting their money may they have a gambling problem?

@johnnie018 Bob is very correct. The name was reported, because it recently sold. No other hidden & sinister intentions are behind it. It does not mean we personally praise high renewal style of investment. But some people invest like that, they have every right to do so, and just because you do not understand exactly what is the though process behind many new gTLD investments, it does not entitle you to call such investments "dumb idea". But you will do that anyway, or you will call them fake, so it does not matter really what I will write to you, I guess

To understand how I personally think about investments in new gTLD names, you can read this appraisal thread here (warning: it is long, and you will probably not be very happy with it, because I always consider renewal fee of new gTLD name in the analysis I do):

https://www.namepros.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-my-new-gtld-domain-advice-thread.1083962/

But again, just because I think something, it does not mean much, honestly - I might be wrong, plus some people will have very different investment styles (for example, they can be more rich, or more poor, so they will look at let say USD 10 000 in a different way). It is not a political correctnes, it is a fact.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

This morning I read an insightful post by well known and successful domain investor @Page Howe on why he invests in Emoji domains (pointing out as well that is only a small part of his total domain portfolio).

He said the following that resonated with me and apply as well to new gTLD domain investing as well.

"to make money in domains you have to buy when something isn't popular"​

I believe that because new gTLDs are currently unpopular among many domain investors they may represent an investment opportunity. But read on...

Now just because they may represent an investment opportunity does not mean that they necessarily are good investments. Any domain investment is speculative to some degree and I think it is fair to say that new gTLDs are more speculative than say single or double word .com domains or short numbered domains, for example.

As in conventional investing, when we make investments we should use as much data as possible to inform our decisions, be alert to changes, and make sure that the investment is consistent with our own investment risk tolerance and time horizon (among other things). Also there should be appropriate potential reward when significant speculative domain risk is taken.

I think it is also important to realize that success with a particular niche may depend on the approaches and skills of the person investing in the niche. For example I would be a terrible investor in 6N .com because I only know the market for them in a general sense, have no specific connections in those markets, and I am not personally enthusiastic about them.

That point also resonated with me after reading the Emoji post. I think they may be sound investments, but for those who are passionate about their future. The same is true for new extensions. Don't even consider investing in them if you are not passionate about them.

You can read his full post at the following niche and it is worthwhile for any domain investor, even if you feel sure you don't like emoji domains.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/whatever-happened-to-emoji-domains.1112459/page-3#post-7127691

Bob

 

[Brands.International]

One of the most important points to be made.

Good combos did get overlooked, that is where it starts, and it ends with being as fast as possible at drop catching. The drop for ngtlds is quickly becoming more competitive and names continue to be reserved by registries after deletion. It only gets harder and harder to add the good ones, but it is still doable. I will continue to stockpile as long as I can.

I partly agree and partly disagree.

I agree that competition is getting much harder between domain investors. For example, me with my 1k+ something new gTLD domain names I am only very small fish in the pool of new gTLD investors. There are guys who are having 5-10 thousands of excellent new gTLD names, and even much more in some occasions, and are still registering and dropcatching actively. They do it silently, no public discussions or presence, just building patiently their portfolios.

In addition, I am having difficult time to dropcatch some good names in recent months, no idea if some group of people is faster, or if people are just not dropping that much their good names. I would bet it is that latter guess.

Now I partly disagree with statement that registries are reserving everything. There are particular registries and extensions where registries were and still are actually very generious when it comes to domain investors - in some cases I could not believe it. So it really varies among tens of different new gTLD registries and hundreds of different new gTLD extensions, and I am not going to promote or depromote anyone here as it is very complex topic - we all need to do our own research.

Btw,@Grego85 you have probably best collection of .network names I have seen so far in private hands, it is amazing! Congrats

 

[oldtimer]

This morning I read an insightful post by well known and successful domain investor @Page Howe on why he invests in Emoji domains (pointing out as well that is only a small part of his total domain portfolio).

He said the following that resonated with me and apply as well to new gTLD domain investing as well.

"to make money in domains you have to buy when something isn't popular"​

I believe that because new gTLDs are currently unpopular among many domain investors they may represent an investment opportunity. But read on...

Now just because they may represent an investment opportunity does not mean that they necessarily are good investments. Any domain investment is speculative to some degree and I think it is fair to say that new gTLDs are more speculative than say single or double word .com domains or short numbered domains, for example.

As in conventional investing, when we make investments we should use as much data as possible to inform our decisions, be alert to changes, and make sure that the investment is consistent with our own investment risk tolerance and time horizon (among other things). Also there should be appropriate potential reward when significant speculative domain risk is taken.

I think it is also important to realize that success with a particular niche may depend on the approaches and skills of the person investing in the niche. For example I would be a terrible investor in 6N .com because I only know the market for them in a general sense, have no specific connections in those markets, and I am not personally enthusiastic about them.

That point also resonated with me after reading the Emoji post. I think they may be sound investments, but for those who are passionate about their future. The same is true for new extensions. Don't even consider investing in them if you are not passionate about them.

You can read his full post at the following niche and it is worthwhile for any domain investor, even if you feel sure you don't like emoji domains.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/whatever-happened-to-emoji-domains.1112459/page-3#post-7127691

Bob

Very good points,

There are many different areas of domaining, best for everyone to pick a few that they are familiar with and actually enjoy being involved in. I believe that those who share the same interest in a certain area of domaining such as numerics, emojis, or New gTLDs have the right to be enthusiastic about the domains that they own and this should not be seen by others as a threat to their choice of domains. IMO

 

[Bob Hawkes]

And I meant to point out that if you do decide ngTLDs are a good investment choice for you, that @lolwarrior 10 points at the start of this thread is a good place to start! In my opinion points 1,2,3 5 and 6 are particularly important, and of course the match of the word with the extension.

Bob

 

[Brands.International]

This morning I read an insightful post by well known and successful domain investor @Page Howe on why he invests in Emoji domains (pointing out as well that is only a small part of his total domain portfolio).

He said the following that resonated with me and apply as well to new gTLD domain investing as well.

"to make money in domains you have to buy when something isn't popular"​

I believe that because new gTLDs are currently unpopular among many domain investors they may represent an investment opportunity. But read on...

Now just because they may represent an investment opportunity does not mean that they necessarily are good investments. Any domain investment is speculative to some degree and I think it is fair to say that new gTLDs are more speculative than say single or double word .com domains or short numbered domains, for example.

As in conventional investing, when we make investments we should use as much data as possible to inform our decisions, be alert to changes, and make sure that the investment is consistent with our own investment risk tolerance and time horizon (among other things). Also there should be appropriate potential reward when significant speculative domain risk is taken.

I think it is also important to realize that success with a particular niche may depend on the approaches and skills of the person investing in the niche. For example I would be a terrible investor in 6N .com because I only know the market for them in a general sense, have no specific connections in those markets, and I am not personally enthusiastic about them.

That point also resonated with me after reading the Emoji post. I think they may be sound investments, but for those who are passionate about their future. The same is true for new extensions. Don't even consider investing in them if you are not passionate about them.

You can read his full post at the following niche and it is worthwhile for any domain investor, even if you feel sure you don't like emoji domains.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/whatever-happened-to-emoji-domains.1112459/page-3#post-7127691

Bob

I totally agree. At the end it is all about passion and knowledge...if someone invest in something they do not understand or they do not like much, results are usually pretty poor.

Btw, I do not understand one thing, can someone explain me? Why some .com investors are so unhappy when it comes to new gTLDs? Have someone ever seen me, or any other new gTLD investor to JUMP to .com discussions, spreading any hate towards .com names? I mean, I do not invest in .com, which means I am sincerely and totally not interested in that extension, and I do not follow it at all, while I fully understand and respect that many people invest only in .com and to nothing else....

....so why some .com investors follow new gTLDs that much, if they do not invest in them, and are trying to give us "advices" ? Even in 2019 it is still happening, although I have to admitt it is much less then 2 years ago

 

[JB Lions]

He said the following that resonated with me and apply as well to new gTLD domain investing as well.

"to make money in domains you have to buy when something isn't popular"​

I believe that because new gTLDs are currently unpopular among many domain investors they may represent an investment opportunity. But read on...

There is also another thread going thru all the problems with emoji domains. Some things just never get popular.

new gTLDS are also unpopular with startups and such. Anytime numbers are posted, they're picking them around 2%. These extensions are pushed by registrars right at checkout. Other new gtld fans have pointed out startups using bad/ridiculous .coms. That's actually a point against new gtlds, that a company would rather go with that, than a new gtld.

What year are we in now with these? 5 or something? There should be higher numbers all the way around.

Overall numbers are down for the year already.

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While I'm here:

11. Bonus point - do not listen to "voices of past" with "only .com is an good investment" mantra

I think you should just stick to the new gtld stuff, adding in .com isn't helping you. People that are going all in with new gtlds, will never become a voice of the past, they'll become a story people point to in the future. A bad investment story. If somebody is a voice of the past, that means they're still here, probably have some experience. Much better to listen to them, then somebody who can't even decide what names to renew, won't post their sales etc.

 

[Brands.International]

There is also another thread going thru all the problems with emoji domains. Some things just never get popular.

new gTLDS are also unpopular with startups and such. Anytime numbers are posted, they're picking them around 2%. These extensions are pushed by registrars right at checkout. Other new gtld fans have pointed out startups using bad/ridiculous .coms. That's actually a point against new gtlds, that a company would rather go with that, than a new gtld.

What year are we in now with these? 5 or something? There should be higher numbers all the way around.

Overall numbers are down for the year already.

@JB Lions thank you for contributing to this thread! Yes, it is now year 5 for new gTLDs, but I respectfully disagree with you that there should be higher numbers all the way around.

There was a lovely and informative (I hope) discussion particularly between you, me and @Bob Hawkes about new gTD numbers and statistics, those who are interested can read it here (particularly pages 3-5 were discussion-heavy)

https://www.namepros.com/threads/to...-are-you-guilty-of-any-of-them.1093240/page-3

I think we discussed using many examples how people can twist statistics in great length so it suits them, and it was just 9 months ago - I guess nothing much changed since then

 

[JB Lions]

@JB Lions thank you for contributing to this thread! Yes, it is now year 5 for new gTLDs, but I respectfully disagree with you that there should be higher numbers all the way around.

There was a lovely and informative (I hope) discussion particularly between you, me and @Bob Hawkes about new gTD numbers and statistics, those who are interested can read it here (particularly pages 3-5 were discussion-heavy)

https://www.namepros.com/threads/to...-are-you-guilty-of-any-of-them.1093240/page-3

I think we discussed using many examples how people can twist statistics in great length so it suits them, and it was just 9 months ago - I guess nothing much changed since then

Exactly, nothing has changed. Read the whole thread. That thread isn't a good look for new gtld fans either:

"Based on statistics provided by Bob, it seems that new gTLDs are 5 times less likely to sell in 2018 comparing to set of all domain names. "

Doesn't change the fact overall numbers are going down and startups just aren't picking them that much. 2% area is low. Ridiculously low.

 

[namemarket]

Some domainers are considerably over-pricing just like the registry has been doing for so long. For example, Recently I inquired about Stock.Trading and was quoted $1,000,000 but was expecting to pay no more than about $1,000. A few days later I noticed seller raised the BIN to $2,000,000 (that is not a misprint).

Hoping not to divert attention from the legitimate and valuable purposes of this thread, I did want to explain why I have decided to start giving posts like the following a dislike:



It has bothered me for some time when people flippantly toss around words like 'fake' or 'not legitimate sale' without a shred of evidence. In fact in cases such as this an overwhelming amount of evidence is to the contrary (i.e. that the sales are indeed authentic): NameBio and DNJournal listed, we know the end users, they have been interviewed at DNWire in two of the cases, we know the businesses operating at the sites, the registry confirmed/announced the sales, some of us have personally met both the buyers and reps. for the sellers.

So it's just a discussion forum, why does it bother me so much? Here are my reasons.

1. It hurts end users. As we all know discussion on NPs gets Google archived and appears high on search results in many cases. If you are part of an organization that paid a hefty fee for a domain name that someone claims the sale is fake, then people might come to believe it without realizing it is a post by a random anonymous individual. If they do believe it then it does real hurt to the organization. It is simply unfair. These are real people. I have met two of them. Language like the above is hurtful and it is wrong.
2. It internally may hurt end user organizations. Quite apart from external reputation, it may cause internal issues if anyone believes it. For example at least one of these names was bought by a consortium of business leaders.
3. It hurts domain sellers. Whether registry or domainers, when we falsely claim that sales are fake we hurt reputations of sellers and also faith in the industry overall. It hurts us all.
4. It unfairly harms respected sources of information. These sales were reported in NameBio, DNjournal and DNWire. If we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake to stay unchallenged we harm the legitimacy of highly respected information sources in our community. Have they ever made a mistake? Probably. They correct when evidence is provided.
5. It means that when there is real evidence of questionable sales, no one will listen. If there are dozens of claims of 'fake' without a shred of evidence offered, when later there is a case where a sale should legitimately be questioned we will all have tuned out the constant chatter of loosely thrown around fake sales. This is unfair to those who dig deeply into transactions, who do real research. It is unfair to them, to us.
6. It does harm to NamePros. I love NPs. It is a vibrant community of individuals who debate questions, help each other, provide technical help, buy/sell/give away domain names, provide help to those in need or starting out, and make us all better domainers. When we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake (or similarly unfair and unsubstantiated claims of business wrongdoing) to go unchallenged they hurt our community, they hurt all of the posts where the individual has taken the effort to give a researched, evidenced and balanced view.

It has bothered me for a long time, but I have decided to draw a line and say going forward I will give a dislike rating to such posts. The claims are often used against new gTLD sales, hence the relevance to this thread, but they are not only in new extensions.

I want to stress that this is not only about the individual whose post I used to illustrate this - when I see a claim of this type from any NP member I plan to simply post a dislike as my statement. As most of you know, in the past I have almost never used dislike and have given tens of thousands of authentic likes. When people have a new insight, clearly did research on something, share their technical background, are encouraging, and help in a number of other ways I legitimately like them.

I don't plan to debate the cited post or other cases where I decide they warrant a dislike. I have decided that the best way, in my opinion which is possibly wrong, is to refuse to engage in debate with those who throw around words like 'fake' because I feel that it helps encourage them and others in similar hurtful activity. My dislike is my simple statement.

Each of you have to make your personal decision. All I ask is that you carefully consider the 6 points I have raised above. Maybe also ask yourself this question. Your niece or nephew got their highest mark ever on a Math test. Do you immediately respond with "It must be a mistake." or "Oh, you must have cheated." I don't think so.. And I ask that we all carefully consider before we post claims of false or dishonest behaviour, the question do we really have any evidence? It hurts people and organizations. Really.

Thanks for reading this long post.

Bob

 

[namemarket]

Hoping not to divert attention from the legitimate and valuable purposes of this thread, I did want to explain why I have decided to start giving posts like the following a dislike:



It has bothered me for some time when people flippantly toss around words like 'fake' or 'not legitimate sale' without a shred of evidence. In fact in cases such as this an overwhelming amount of evidence is to the contrary (i.e. that the sales are indeed authentic): NameBio and DNJournal listed, we know the end users, they have been interviewed at DNWire in two of the cases, we know the businesses operating at the sites, the registry confirmed/announced the sales, some of us have personally met both the buyers and reps. for the sellers.

So it's just a discussion forum, why does it bother me so much? Here are my reasons.

1. It hurts end users. As we all know discussion on NPs gets Google archived and appears high on search results in many cases. If you are part of an organization that paid a hefty fee for a domain name that someone claims the sale is fake, then people might come to believe it without realizing it is a post by a random anonymous individual. If they do believe it then it does real hurt to the organization. It is simply unfair. These are real people. I have met two of them. Language like the above is hurtful and it is wrong.
2. It internally may hurt end user organizations. Quite apart from external reputation, it may cause internal issues if anyone believes it. For example at least one of these names was bought by a consortium of business leaders.
3. It hurts domain sellers. Whether registry or domainers, when we falsely claim that sales are fake we hurt reputations of sellers and also faith in the industry overall. It hurts us all.
4. It unfairly harms respected sources of information. These sales were reported in NameBio, DNjournal and DNWire. If we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake to stay unchallenged we harm the legitimacy of highly respected information sources in our community. Have they ever made a mistake? Probably. They correct when evidence is provided.
5. It means that when there is real evidence of questionable sales, no one will listen. If there are dozens of claims of 'fake' without a shred of evidence offered, when later there is a case where a sale should legitimately be questioned we will all have tuned out the constant chatter of loosely thrown around fake sales. This is unfair to those who dig deeply into transactions, who do real research. It is unfair to them, to us.
6. It does harm to NamePros. I love NPs. It is a vibrant community of individuals who debate questions, help each other, provide technical help, buy/sell/give away domain names, provide help to those in need or starting out, and make us all better domainers. When we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake (or similarly unfair and unsubstantiated claims of business wrongdoing) to go unchallenged they hurt our community, they hurt all of the posts where the individual has taken the effort to give a researched, evidenced and balanced view.

It has bothered me for a long time, but I have decided to draw a line and say going forward I will give a dislike rating to such posts. The claims are often used against new gTLD sales, hence the relevance to this thread, but they are not only in new extensions.

I want to stress that this is not only about the individual whose post I used to illustrate this - when I see a claim of this type from any NP member I plan to simply post a dislike as my statement. As most of you know, in the past I have almost never used dislike and have given tens of thousands of authentic likes. When people have a new insight, clearly did research on something, share their technical background, are encouraging, and help in a number of other ways I legitimately like them.

I don't plan to debate the cited post or other cases where I decide they warrant a dislike. I have decided that the best way, in my opinion which is possibly wrong, is to refuse to engage in debate with those who throw around words like 'fake' because I feel that it helps encourage them and others in similar hurtful activity. My dislike is my simple statement.

Each of you have to make your personal decision. All I ask is that you carefully consider the 6 points I have raised above. Maybe also ask yourself this question. Your niece or nephew got their highest mark ever on a Math test. Do you immediately respond with "It must be a mistake." or "Oh, you must have cheated." I don't think so.. And I ask that we all carefully consider before we post claims of false or dishonest behaviour, the question do we really have any evidence? It hurts people and organizations. Really.

Thanks for reading this long post.

Bob

Right you are Bob. When listening to the excellent DNWire podcasts you quickly realize the sales of Vacation.rentals $500,300 and Home.loans $500,000 are totally genuine. I don't understand why anyone would say or even think they were fake!

 

[JB Lions]

Right you are Bob. When listening to the excellent DNWire podcasts you quickly realize the sales of Vacation.rentals $500,300 and Home.loans $500,000 are totally genuine. I don't understand why anyone would say or even think they were fake!

I think they're real, I just always felt they were bad purchases. I think one even said he had no idea of the domain market, so he didn't have much of a clue on what these go for.

You would have ranked the same, with the same content on some hand reg .com. ShirleysHomeLoans.com. Google has no problem parsing keywords.

They're both dropping btw. vacation.rentals still hanging on, page 2. home.loans dropping, now page 10 for me on the main term. Even tried thru a proxy, same result.

 

[Brands.International]

Some domainers are considerably over-pricing just like the registry has been doing for so long. For example, Recently I inquired about Stock / Trading and was quoted $1,000,000 but was expecting to pay no more than about $1,000. A few days later I noticed seller raised the BIN to $2,000,000 (that is not a misprint).

@namemarket I have just checked details for this name...this new gTLD domain investor (I know him from other place on internet) :

FACT 1: got the name in 2016 and already renewed it until 2026. Means he is not into quick flip (most probably).

FACT 2: This is an amazing new gTLD name which he has secured early in the game, threfore it has only standard renewal attached to it.

Considering FACTS 1 and 2, what makes you believe he would be interested in offer of USD 1000?
I guess (I might be wrong, but I do not think so in this case) that he is focusing on end users (considering the pricing) and has no desire to flip for cheap money to another domain investor. Why should he really? For this renewal (seems like USD 14), he can easily keep this name for years, while USD 1000 is really very low for this quality. Just Imo.

 

[namemarket]

I think they're real, I just always felt they were bad purchases.....

Disagree, I think those 2 are easily worth those prices. In fact, I think they are low priced based on the potential value of owning a category killer domain with a good product/service website in the 2 lucrative fields. Listen to DNWire podcasts for more details on that.

Think about the fact the sale prices by comparison are not much more (or even less) than the home values of many domainers, with the domain having more long-term upside potential vs a house. Giant.com amazingly sold for 900k so why would vacation.rentals and home.loans be considered so excessive.

Never been a big buyer or supporter (but recently much more positive) of new tlds. I believe their slow sales can be heavily attributable to registrars holding back vast numbers of the best names and expecting very high sales. Probably most of the time when I look for a new tld it's sadly reserved by the registry.

 

[johnnie018]

"to make money in domains you have to buy when something isn't popular"​

I believe that because new gTLDs are currently unpopular among many domain investors they may represent an investment opportunity. But read on...

That is very messed up advice. You don't have to buy unpopular domains and buying them in unlikely to be a good idea..

 

[johnnie018]

Right you are Bob. When listening to the excellent DNWire podcasts you quickly realize the sales of Vacation.rentals $500,300 and Home.loans $500,000 are totally genuine. I don't understand why anyone would say or even think they were fake!

Only new tld investors think they are real, you want to believe it!

 

[Brands.International]

I think they're real, I just always felt they were bad purchases. I think one even said he had no idea of the domain market, so he didn't have much of a clue on what these go for.

You would have ranked the same, with the same content on some hand reg .com. ShirleysHomeLoans.com. Google has no problem parsing keywords.

They're both dropping btw. vacation.rentals still hanging on, page 2. home.loans dropping, now page 10 for me on the main term. Even tried thru a proxy, same result.

ShirleysHomeLoans.com ... truly an amazing idea to build large loan portal on a name like this, it certainly would rank well! And how memorable it is

Your advices are getting better and better @JB Lions ...

 

[johnnie018]

ShirleysHomeLoans.com ... truly an amazing idea to build large loan portal on a name like this, it certainly would rank well! And how memorable it is

Your advices are getting better and better @JB Lions ...

I think you've missed the point. They could have done just as well with an available name.

 

[Brands.International]

Exactly, nothing has changed. Read the whole thread. That thread isn't a good look for new gtld fans either:

"Based on statistics provided by Bob, it seems that new gTLDs are 5 times less likely to sell in 2018 comparing to set of all domain names. "

Doesn't change the fact overall numbers are going down and startups just aren't picking them that much. 2% area is low. Ridiculously low.

@JB Lions well, you quoted only half of the statement I wrote ...

Whole statement is following:

"CONCLUSION:
Based on statistics provided by Bob, it seems that new gTLDs are 5 times less likely to sell in 2018 comparing to set of all domain names. But ... WHEN they sell, they sell in average at 4 times of the average domain name price!"

So basically you quoted only red part, while you forgot (?) to quote the green part, which is an integral part of the whole statement... that's what some might call an "convenient selection of facts"

source: https://www.namepros.com/threads/to...ty-of-any-of-them.1093240/page-2#post-6830293

 

[johnnie018]

Looks like home.loans traffic is down 75% and vacation.rentals.com is down 96%. Of course this decline should have been obvious because it was only ranking due to the publicity from the domain sales.

 

[johnnie018]

@JB Lions well, you quoted only half of the statement I wrote ...

Whole statement is following:

"CONCLUSION:
Based on statistics provided by Bob, it seems that new gTLDs are 5 times less likely to sell in 2018 comparing to set of all domain names. But ... WHEN they sell, they sell in average at 4 times of the average domain name price!"

So basically you quoted only red part, while you forgot (?) to quote the green part, which is an integral part of the whole statement... that's what some might call an "convenient selection of facts"

You are playing with numbers because the average sale is badly is skewed by 3 x 500k (fake) sales.

This quote is more telling,

"ngTLD investing about 40% as lucrative as domain name investing in general."

 

[JB Lions]

ShirleysHomeLoans.com ... truly an amazing idea to build large loan portal on a name like this, it certainly would rank well! And how memorable it is

Your advices are getting better and better @JB Lions ...

Yep. They wouldn't have to waste money on commercials pointing out they're not on a .com, like they did. Instead of spending money advertising what the site is actually about.

@JB Lions well, you quoted only half of the statement I wrote ...

Whole statement is following:

"CONCLUSION:
Based on statistics provided by Bob, it seems that new gTLDs are 5 times less likely to sell in 2018 comparing to set of all domain names. But ... WHEN they sell, they sell in average at 4 times of the average domain name price!"

So basically you quoted only red part, while you forgot (?) to quote the green part, which is an integral part of the whole statement... that's what some might call an "convenient selection of facts"

source: https://www.namepros.com/threads/to...ty-of-any-of-them.1093240/page-2#post-6830293

Of course you just left out about the registry sales lifting that number up. Now, that's what I call convenient.

 

[JB Lions]

Disagree, I think those 2 are easily worth those prices. In fact, I think they are low priced based on the potential value of owning a category killer domain with a good product/service website in the 2 lucrative fields. Listen to DNWire podcasts for more details on that.

Think about the fact the sale prices by comparison are not much more (or even less) than the home values of many domainers, with the domain having more long-term upside potential vs a house. Giant.com amazingly sold for 900k so why would vacation.rentals and home.loans be considered so excessive.

Never been a big buyer or supporter (but recently much more positive) of new tlds. I believe their slow sales can be heavily attributable to registrars holding back vast numbers of the best names and expecting very high sales. Probably most of the time when I look for a new tld it's sadly reserved by the registry.

Category killer. It's like being excited about being a big fish in somebody's backyard pond.

About slow sales and such. There is that other problem.

Most of these extensions are niche, will never be development in big numbers.

The big selling point turned out to be a lie. People can't get their .com, with these new gtlds, end users can finally get a name.........except:

Registries keep the best ones, the domainers get the rest. Any obvious one that an end user would want, will still run into the same problems. Having to go thru a domainer to get it.

If I asked for a list of obvious names, how many would actually be there for somebody to register?

 

[johnnie018]

Disagree, I think those 2 are easily worth those prices. In fact, I think they are low priced based on the potential value of owning a category killer domain with a good product/service website in the 2 lucrative fields. Listen to DNWire podcasts for more details on that.

Think about the fact the sale prices by comparison are not much more (or even less) than the home values of many domainers, with the domain having more long-term upside potential vs a house. Giant.com amazingly sold for 900k so why would vacation.rentals and home.loans be considered so excessive.

Never been a big buyer or supporter (but recently much more positive) of new tlds. I believe their slow sales can be heavily attributable to registrars holding back vast numbers of the best names and expecting very high sales. Probably most of the time when I look for a new tld it's sadly reserved by the registry.

Ya should make an offer then with traffic on both sites now tanking badly.

What ye mean by Giant.com, you think 900k is low or high? Where was this sale announced?