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How to register new gTLD names in 2019 (and actually sell them).

Labeled as discuss in gTLD Discussion, started by lolwarrior, Feb 18, 2019

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  1. Ostrados

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    I use this tool to find cheapest registrar for any extension:
    https://www.domcomp.com

    I use 8 different registrars. it is not very hard to manage them because I use an organised excel sheeh with all my domains with all info (aqusition price, renewal price, selling price, registrar, expiry date, unlock date, checkbox for marketplaces where domain is listed)
     
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  2. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes formerly MetBob NameTalent VIP Gold Account Trusted Blogger

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    A few ideas re getting good renewal rates on ntLDs (or anything really)::

    I agree with @Ostrados re DomComp.I presume most on this list know of it, but I always check TLD-list as well to find lowest current registration, transfer and renewal rates. They have some registrars not on DomComp

    Use TLD-List for Historical Rates
    One of the reasons I prefer TLD-list to DomComp (but use both regularly) is that if you scroll to bottom of page for an extension it will show you the historical prices. While past does not always predict future, if an extension has gone up and down in renewals, and it is near the top now, if you can wait for a better rate it might be rewarded.

    Look at Registrars Not Listed in DomComp and TLD-List
    Note that neither TLD-list nor DomComp include some registrars with good prices like West.xyz so you will have to search those rates individually.

    Determine Wholesale Prices As Part of Evaluation of Deals
    Neither DomComp nor TLD-list include the rates at Domain Cost Club, so if you have a membership, or considering one, there be sure to check their transparent pricing on their website. As DCC show wholesale pricing (the price to registrars) I find this page of prices on registration and renewal helpful even if you never plan to pay for their service. If for example they show that $5.00 is the wholesale cost and someone has a promotion at $2.50 that is a good deal and I should take it. If however, they tell me wholesale is $5..00 but the best anyone else is offering is $9.00 maybe if I wait I can get a better deal.

    NameStat Shows Rates Too
    Another way to find different registrar pricing in one place is to use NameStat for the extension, and on the right they state the rates for a long list of registrars including Domain Cost Club. Note that NameStat have three tabs one for register, transfer and renew so you can check all there. NameStat is particularly helpful for those who concentrate in just a few extensions.

    Read the Emails From Your Registrar!
    Finding the multi-year rates is a challenge as they come and go and in general don't show up on TLD-list or DomComp. Read the emails your registrar send you (yes, really!) as they may alert you to deals. For example Domain Cost Club just emailed members with multi-year deals (I think you need to be getting them at time of registration) on 9 popular new extensions. For example you can register a .space for 10 years for $49 or for 3 years for $15.

    Check Multi-Year Rates At Registration
    When you first register always check what the rates are for multiple years. I sometimes find there are deals that show up that way that don't seem to be announced.

    Multi Year Rates Announced Outside Domain Community
    Some extensions periodically have good 5 (and or 10) year rates. For example a deal on .tech seems to come and go. Do Google search as often these are promoted in the tech and not the domain community.

    Say Goodbye And Be Your Own Drop Catch Agent
    Got a name you really like but can't find a renewal you want? Let it go, but watch it. Four of the domains I have now I decided even though I liked them, not enough to pay $15 to $30 for another year. They had super reduced first year rates. So I let them go. Then as the expiry period approached I repeatedly checked their availability. Two of the 4 I was able to get back at the low first year rate. I became my own drop catch agent. Yes, you don't get them all back, but the world if full of domains to handle - having no particular domain is essential to your success.

    Be Alert to Time Sensitive Deals
    Not as many as for first year registrations, but occasionally find some. One reason I deal with 9 different registrars is that they all tell me about deals they have.

    Even after all of that, some domains will never be reduced. For example Google seem to be firm in holding renewals at around the $12 mark (although wholesale a bit less). Also, since they abandoned the discounting the former FFM extensions seem firm at registrations and renewals around the same figure.

    Bob
     
  3. oldtimer

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    Very helpful information, I just have one suggestion:

    It might be better to refer to new extensions with their official name which is “New gTLDs” , the term nTLD was unfortunately coined by the naysayers who started calling the new extensions “Novelty TLDs” which at the time was meant to make them look less serious than the legacy extensions. Although it might've lost it's original meaning over time. IMO
     
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  4. oldtimer

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    I didn't know you had so many New gTLDs , it's good to see that you are able to keep your renewals under control, from your experience which New gTLDs do you believe have the best potential for future sales (or development) and are you getting any traffic on any of your domains.
     
  5. Brands.International

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    @Bob Hawkes this is an amazing post, thank you! I do really continue to be learning here, for example I had no idea that TLD-list has this Historical Rates feature. And it is exactly as you have explained, that once we see a history of various promotions for particular new gTLD extension, it indicates that the probabilities are high that some promotions will be there in future as well.

    With all of your other points I agree 100% as well - this is exactly what people should consider if they want to make some good investment decision.

    Btw, just from the pure number of variables and advices in this thread we can see that investing in new gTLDs is pretty complex topic, but also very interesting :)
     
  6. Brands.International

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    @oldtimer for your question, sure, some of the new gTLDs are getting hundreds of visitors per month (I have few of them), while average new gTLD name I own gets maybe 10-20 visits. I have no idea from where the traffic comes from (it can be also bots in large part, who knows), and I am not interested in monetizing the traffic - most of my domains are parked in secure undeveloped.com landers (no banners, no redirects, nothing, just a pure "for sale" landers)

    If you ask about best potential for future sales: there are more then 700 of new gTLD extensions, I picked around 20 which suits me well and I have larger group of names in them (I considered their potential for future sales, but also many many other aspects, most of them described in this thread). Some other new gTLD investors are heavily invested in some others extensions. It is very individual. In addition, I think it is more about the quality of the domain name combo (how left goes semantically with right in your domain name), then the extension itself. But of course, if you check my portfolio, you will see exactly what I think has potential, otherwise (naturally) I would not have purchased those names at first place.
     
  7. oldtimer

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    Just registered NewgTLD.club for $1.99 (there is a flash sale at Godaddy for some of the New gTLDs right now) this is my first .club domain (as far as I can recall) , I am considering a few other ones too.
     
  8. ThatNameGuy

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    Marek...i agree with most everything you're saying but my portfolio consists of about 50% .coms and the other 50% ngTLD's . Of late, other than accumulating about 50 .homes names, I've been adding to specific .com portfolios that I've created. I absolutely luv your #7 point "Do not follow the heard". Most true entrepreneurs I know learn from the heard, then strike out on their own. For example, I've learned a lot from NamePros, and a lot at NamesCon. Regardless of whether you own a small boutique portfolio, or thousands of domains, there's good money to be made either way "if" done right. This is the way it works in the business world, and it works the same way in the domain world.

    Finally, I actually want to thank my critics, for if I'd have listened to them I wouldn't be here today:xf.frown: Naming businesses is what I've done all my life, and like a fine single malt, some of us keep getting better with age.:xf.wink:
     
  9. johnnie018

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    Eventually they’ll come at you for the real renewal rate or higher, which will makes these names even more marginal. Give it 3-5 years and the discounts will be limited to fresh reges.
     
  10. Bob Hawkes

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    I believe you may well be right. As use and interest in ngTLDs increase in coming years I think that we will see fewer promotions on multi-year and renewal rates. This is one reason to lock in renewals for multiple years in advance when you are sure of quality of the name and have opportunities to renew at reasonable rates. Also, as @lolwarrior pointed out earlier it also shows you are confident in name and places you in a stronger bargaining position when you sell the domain name. Thanks for your contribution.
    Bob
     
  11. oldtimer

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    One thing is for sure, you have to get the absolute best keyword / extension combinations that are out there in order to stand above all the other choices that are available to the end users, although there are two things that are working against domainers, one is that the best choices are owned or reserved by the registry and the other is the very high renewal rates for the top domains. Faced with these obstacles which in my opinion were originally designed to discourage hording of domains the best strategy might be to be very selective and try to find the keyword / extension combinations that perhaps have been overlooked by the registry and others, in such an environment it will be very hard to create large portfolios of high quality domains, so regardless of registration and renewal costs you have to be careful what domains you add to your portfolio as to not delude its quality. IMO
     
  12. johnnie018

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    It will be due to registries needing to become profitable, most of them will get bought out by people who just want to maximize revenue, stripping costs out and giving up on growth like .mobi, .biz and others have.
     
  13. johnnie018

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    Or alternatively say “no” to the whole area. 99% think they have the best names. 0% actually do because the registry kept them.
     
  14. oldtimer

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    delude = dilute

    My mind is not as sharp as you youngins, especially early in the morning. :)
     
  15. Brands.International

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    That is actually not a bad one :)
     
  16. Brands.International

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    Rich I absolutely love .homes extension (as a real estate agent myself). There were few very good and smart regs I saw in .homes thread here on Namepros for standard renewals, while also some questionable regs were done there imo by people.

    I already have some very good real estate names in .property and .sale (and those are honestly more then enough for me, I am satisfied), so I did not study much .homes extension in detail, but i think it is high quality extension which makes TONS of semantic sense, and I wish all of those who made wise investments in this extension good luck and great sales :)

    In my opinion, if you have really good .homes names, do not try to flip immediately...wait a bit, it wil only grow in value.
     
  17. businesses

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    all good new gtld drops with standard renewal fees nowr are reserved by Donuts Registry

    so do not drop your good new gs sell them on $0 auction on the Namepros
     
  18. Bob Hawkes

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    I had thought I read somewhere that there was a set number of premium designated domain names allowed. Can someone ICANN informed (I have tried searching their new gTLD sections) confirm for me if that is indeed the case and ideally what the number is if it is true.

    So I presume if this is right....
    it means either they were not at the limit, or they need to remove some that were previously premium?

    Thanks a lot for any clarification as I have wondered about it.

    The idea of giving them away to others in a good suggestion, thank you @businesses. In fact if there were a single section just for that would be a helpful way to organize it at NPs. I guess already free stuff section, wonder about a more specific free new gTLD about to expire.

    Bob
     
  19. Bob Hawkes

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    Hoping not to divert attention from the legitimate and valuable purposes of this thread, I did want to explain why I have decided to start giving posts like the following a dislike:

    It has bothered me for some time when people flippantly toss around words like 'fake' or 'not legitimate sale' without a shred of evidence. In fact in cases such as this an overwhelming amount of evidence is to the contrary (i.e. that the sales are indeed authentic): NameBio and DNJournal listed, we know the end users, they have been interviewed at DNWire in two of the cases, we know the businesses operating at the sites, the registry confirmed/announced the sales, some of us have personally met both the buyers and reps. for the sellers.

    So it's just a discussion forum, why does it bother me so much? Here are my reasons.
    1. It hurts end users. As we all know discussion on NPs gets Google archived and appears high on search results in many cases. If you are part of an organization that paid a hefty fee for a domain name that someone claims the sale is fake, then people might come to believe it without realizing it is a post by a random anonymous individual. If they do believe it then it does real hurt to the organization. It is simply unfair. These are real people. I have met two of them. Language like the above is hurtful and it is wrong.
    2. It internally may hurt end user organizations. Quite apart from external reputation, it may cause internal issues if anyone believes it. For example at least one of these names was bought by a consortium of business leaders.
    3. It hurts domain sellers. Whether registry or domainers, when we falsely claim that sales are fake we hurt reputations of sellers and also faith in the industry overall. It hurts us all.
    4. It unfairly harms respected sources of information. These sales were reported in NameBio, DNjournal and DNWire. If we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake to stay unchallenged we harm the legitimacy of highly respected information sources in our community. Have they ever made a mistake? Probably. They correct when evidence is provided.
    5. It means that when there is real evidence of questionable sales, no one will listen. If there are dozens of claims of 'fake' without a shred of evidence offered, when later there is a case where a sale should legitimately be questioned we will all have tuned out the constant chatter of loosely thrown around fake sales. This is unfair to those who dig deeply into transactions, who do real research. It is unfair to them, to us.
    6. It does harm to NamePros. I love NPs. It is a vibrant community of individuals who debate questions, help each other, provide technical help, buy/sell/give away domain names, provide help to those in need or starting out, and make us all better domainers. When we allow unsubstantiated claims of fake (or similarly unfair and unsubstantiated claims of business wrongdoing) to go unchallenged they hurt our community, they hurt all of the posts where the individual has taken the effort to give a researched, evidenced and balanced view.
    It has bothered me for a long time, but I have decided to draw a line and say going forward I will give a dislike rating to such posts. The claims are often used against new gTLD sales, hence the relevance to this thread, but they are not only in new extensions.

    I want to stress that this is not only about the individual whose post I used to illustrate this - when I see a claim of this type from any NP member I plan to simply post a dislike as my statement. As most of you know, in the past I have almost never used dislike and have given tens of thousands of authentic likes. When people have a new insight, clearly did research on something, share their technical background, are encouraging, and help in a number of other ways I legitimately like them.

    I don't plan to debate the cited post or other cases where I decide they warrant a dislike. I have decided that the best way, in my opinion which is possibly wrong, is to refuse to engage in debate with those who throw around words like 'fake' because I feel that it helps encourage them and others in similar hurtful activity. My dislike is my simple statement.

    Each of you have to make your personal decision. All I ask is that you carefully consider the 6 points I have raised above. Maybe also ask yourself this question. Your niece or nephew got their highest mark ever on a Math test. Do you immediately respond with "It must be a mistake." or "Oh, you must have cheated." I don't think so.. And I ask that we all carefully consider before we post claims of false or dishonest behaviour, the question do we really have any evidence? It hurts people and organizations. Really.

    Thanks for reading this long post.

    Bob
     
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  20. oldtimer

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    https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/name-reservation-faqs-08aug14-en.pdf

    If you search the main site at icann.org (not the gTLD section) for Registry Reserved Names you will see the above link.
     
  21. Bob Hawkes

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    Thank you very much and I learned a number of things from it. But that document is with respect to reserved names, not premium names, I think (although they do address can a reserved name become a premium name).

    Bob
     
  22. oldtimer

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    I believe that Premium Names is a made up term that is used by Registrars, that’s why there are no results when you search the New gTLD Guidelines for Premium Names.

    ICANN calls all the domains that are held back Reserved Names, although there are several different categories that fall under this term.

    This is my understanding from what I have read, there might be other interpretations that are different than mine.

    PS: I don't believe that there is a limit to the number of domains that can be held back as premiums as long as they are made available for people to register although probably at much higher prices as we have already seen, but to be sure you might want to ask one of the Registries.
     
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  23. johnnie018

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    Keep believing Bob, that is your choice, but don't peddle to others that these sales are legitimate. The reason for these sales, and other ones like Beauty.cc, is to get domainers registering domains.
     
  24. businesses

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    I can't sell new gs even for $0 :unsure:
     
  25. johnnie018

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    Have you tried paying people to take them?
     

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