strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[lennco]

This has been a really helpful section for domainers. I have learned a lot and was able to sell many domains using the methods in this section.

I just have one question. I have sent thousands of email through my domaining career and had only two complaints from contacted end users that my emails were spam. The first one resulted in loosing my domain from Godaddy and the other complaint was through Hostagtor which prohibited me from sending any more similar emails through their server.

The question is what email do you use to contact these end users and not getting banned? Do you use free email services like gmail, yahoo etc?.

Please help me as I am having trouble right now contacting these end users.

Thanks

1. Create a company name for yourself
2. Then reg that domain
3. Find a webhost
4. Then create a website or just a webpage with your company name
4. Signup with LuxSci and use their email IP's so you have a clean IP that is not on any blacklist
5. Create your own email address ie: Contact@yourdomain com and use Firefox Thunderbird for an email client.

Good luck

 

[fm1234]

posted by tonecas:

Well structured thinking as usual Frank.

Thank you!

I would however add talking with caution about search volume because in google it seems to be a mere indicator with lack of adherence to reality.

I'm not entirely clear what you mean here. Google's kw search data certainly has its shortcomings, but it is a broad-based metric -- any similar type of broad user behaviour data is going to have issues from time to time.

Of course, as I have said many times, search volume alone is not a sufficient value builder for a domain. However, it should be borne in mind that unlike PR, AdWords daily budgets, trend analysis, etc. the simple number represented by search volume is extremely easy for anyone to understand.

When I talk about search volume with prospects, I don't even get into broad vs. exact, global vs. local etc. I use the lowest verifiable number that is good enough to be used as a selling point, and if they have any questions they want to ask me, I usually point them away from our discussion to a third party site like Wikipedia, Google, etc. that has a page which answers their question if they want to learn about it.

If for no other reason that it's a verifiable figure that any idiot can understand, search volume is at least worth keeping in your FAB list (Features, Advantages, Benefits) when trying to demonstrate the value of your domain.


Frank

 

[tonecas]

what i mean with the search volume thing is that it is bogus. many times they seem simple throw away numbers by google. it is not only the fact the same numbers repeat over and over again (220k, 180k, 720, 2600,...) across different keywords. it is the lack of support in reality for those numbers. i had some domains ranking in the first positions of google and I have never came close to the numbers they suggest for traffic and the rule of thumb share that I would be supposedly having. far, far away. these numbers should be believable and real - after all they came from google itself. none-withstanding, marketeers, domainers and other people seem to believe in them. like the over-hyped PR thing. what many prospective buyers are interested in is what kind of traffic the domain you are selling is *actually* getting and they look at what they are *actually* spending on their advertising. many times they don't even bother with the traffic you are actually getting less what is the search volume for the keywords.

regards,
tonecas

 

[piero0074u]

Thanks for this information. You were really helpful with your post.

1. Create a company name for yourself
2. Then reg that domain
3. Find a webhost
4. Then create a website or just a webpage with your company name
4. Signup with LuxSci and use their email IP's so you have a clean IP that is not on any blacklist
5. Create your own email address ie: Contact@yourdomain com and use Firefox Thunderbird for an email client.

Good luck

 

[RGkiiing]

what do you think about buying names with zero results on google ad word. I know thats not the end all be all but when reasoning my price i usually say the google stats. I feel like i wouldnt have much to say except for "this name is easy to remember"

 

[tonecas]

what do you think about buying names with zero results on google ad word. I know thats not the end all be all but when reasoning my price i usually say the google stats. I feel like i wouldnt have much to say except for "this name is easy to remember"

domain names speak for themselves, that's my moto. why do you have to explain yourself (too much) when selling a domain to someone that showed interest in it? brandable names are very good to sell as they attract the best buyers. no need for stats.

regards,
tonecas

 

[RGkiiing]

domain names speak for themselves, that's my moto. why do you have to explain yourself (too much) when selling a domain to someone that showed interest in it? brandable names are very good to sell as they attract the best buyers. no need for stats.

regards,
tonecas

that makes sense but im talking about a name like newyorkfishing.com for example.. if that name has 0 google stats and 3+ drops would it make any sense to buy it

 

[tonecas]

i like it. you like it too. if someone else likes it too maybe it will be a end-user. and an end-user who likes a name will pay for it a good ROI. just don't think of big sums or getting rich. one play at a time. google stats are overated imho. the best info is CPC and competition. and even these don't count nothing on a bandable name.

regards,
tonecas

 

[infmoney]

Anyone here that is knowledgeable in selling keyword domains to endusers that won't mind reading a response I plan on using and helping me make it a bit better? Please Pm me.

Thanks

 

[domainerdon]

I have had some luck lately e-mailing end users, let me know if I can help
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[ibidu]

I have had some luck lately e-mailing end users, let me know if I can help
[email protected]

Great to hear that.

Have you done anything differently from what's been covered here before?

 

[lennco]

What has worked best for all of you as for Subject line in your emails?
Do you use,

1. Only the keywords of the domain? Domain Name
2. Only the full domain name? DomainName.com
3. The full domain name plus a notation? DomainName.com is For Sale
4. Something else?

Thanks

 

[fm1234]

posted by lennco:

What has worked best for all of you as for Subject line in your emails?
Do you use,

1. Only the keywords of the domain? Domain Name
2. Only the full domain name? DomainName.com
3. The full domain name plus a notation? DomainName.com is For Sale
4. Something else?

Everyone has his own approach, I imagine; that said, I would never put "For Sale" in the subject field of any message I hoped to actually get read.

The domain name itself also poses a problem: If the prospect has never heard of the domain, he has to have a higher level of interest than average to even open the mail.

Keywords can grab attention, and of course if you're selling a keyword domain, and the keywords aren't good enough to get someone who is in a business related to those keywords to open a message, then you may well have a crap domain. So that might be a good approach.

My own approach, in most cases, is to use the subject line to get attention and the opening paragraph of the mail to cement it in place. To that end, in the subject I use one of the domains that the prospect owns (bearing in mind that I try to target companies and individuals who own multiple related domains in my sales efforts.) eg. if he owns DomainName.com my subject line is "DomainName.com and related domains."

In the first paragraph of the message I establish that he owns DomainName.com and NamesOfDomains.net, demonstrate some basic level of knowledge about him/his company and draw the connection between his and my domains.

A lot of the domain spam that I get is obviously random whois pulls desperately trying to connect some domain that I own to the garbage the spammer is pushing. This is an example of a decent theoretical idea butchered by sloppy execution -- taking the time to qualify prospects pays you back in spades, and if you've done that, then you have a good idea how to address those prospects. My approach simply takes that reasonably good idea that the spammers screwed up, and put a professional spin on the execution.


Frank

 

[namemarket]

No matter how much you market and promote your names, success (except in comparatively rare cases) is based on it being a big numbers game combined with a degree of luck.

 

[Kate]

... and domain quality. Too many domainers are wasting their time trying to sell things nobody would ever want.

 

[bmugford]

... and domain quality. Too many domainers are wasting their time trying to sell things nobody would ever want.

Domain quality is the most important thing by far.
You can have the best negotiation skills in the world, but it will still be tough to move a complete pile of crap.

Brad

 

[lennco]

posted by lennco:
Everyone has his own approach, I imagine; that said, I would never put "For Sale" in the subject field of any message I hoped to actually get read.

Frank

I was just using "For Sale" as an example of a notation with a domain name.

You can use "is Available" and so on.

 

[Archangel]

I see every ".com is available" or ".com is for sale" as spam & delete it without ever even considering opening it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I was just using "For Sale" as an example of a notation with a domain name.

You can use "is Available" and so on.

 

[lennco]

I see every ".com is available" or ".com is for sale" as spam & delete it without ever even considering opening it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So what has worked best for you? The domains keywords or something else?

 

[infmoney]

I usually send my emails with "free money open!" :sold:

Mind sharing what you use Archangel? I have had equal success with "domain.com available for purchase" and just the keywords in the subject line.