Holo vs VR vs MR vs AR vs any other reality (All realities)

[VRdommy]

Intel Project Alloy - A Must Read
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3108...first-open-source-third-party-vr-headset.html

The pace of change with new VR product designs is about to increase exponentially.
And while this is one thing to move that along, it's not the only thing.

...MORE...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-project-alloy-vr-ar-merged-reality

 

[Elad n]

And I think you are just over thinking the need for it. And it's practical uses applied.
This is about names, not tech. I see nothing but consumer confusion.

I actually see a need, and the need is rising btw But we will know better soon.

WebXR replacing WebVR is a huge step

 

[VRdommy]

I actually see a need, and the need is rising btw But we will know better soon.

WebXR replacing WebVR is a huge step

The larger point is, that if I have to still state VR AR MR AI 4D
For you to understand what I'm talking about
Why do I need to use it at all ?

 

[Winfluence]

And I think you are just over thinking the need for it. And it's practical uses applied.
This is about names, not tech. I see nothing but consumer confusion.

Consumer usage probably wasn't the initial intent. It's an industry term right now. By that, I mean people who are using the term are using it to describe related industries. It's why it works beautifully for orgs and summits. It works beautifully as well for companies that cater to the industries. A casino that offers slots and poker in both AR(AKA MR) and VR could properly brand its self XR but they can't expect consumers to understand though.

In discussion among industry people it's likely common to say "an XR experience" bla blabla" refering to one in general. That is also a proper use.

A cloud company catering to XR works quite beautifully.

But as I've already previously, there are misuses of the term going on right now, just like when people say AR is VR.

Its established now that it's OK to refer to a 360 experience as VR since it uses a VR headset. This wasn't the case a couple years ago when people encouraged you to specify the difference, so times do change.

No crystal balls sir...

 

[Kingslayer]

I think that’s a problem for XR in that people don’t know what it actually stands for yet, is it ‘x’ as a variable? Extended? Extra? There needs to be a set term for it or it will confuse consumers should it ever be a consumer term someday.

Me personally i like it as a variable and like how you can put the V on top of the A to make an ‘X’ and that alone is why it ‘could’ have a future. Extended/Extra i don’t think it’s going to go anywhere

‘X’ and ‘extended’ doesn’t even make sense and that’s a problem as XR is mainly being promoted as ‘extended’ - There’s barely anything on twitter of xR being called xReality and as said i think that’s what it needs to be personally to have a future.

 

[Elad n]

I think that’s a problem for XR in that people don’t know what it actually stands for yet, is it ‘x’ as a variable? Extended? Extra? There needs to be a set term for it or it will confuse consumers should it ever be a consumer term someday.

Me personally i like it as a variable and like how you can put the V on top of the A to make an ‘X’ and that alone is why it ‘could’ have a future. Extended/Extra i don’t think it’s going to go anywhere

‘X’ and ‘extended’ doesn’t even make sense and that’s a problem as XR is mainly being promoted as ‘extended’ - There’s barely anything on twitter of xR being called xReality and as said i think that’s what it needs to be personally to have a future.

It will have a future as cross reality imo .

Things are moving pretty fast actually and as i mentioned before, WebXR will make it well known.

 

[Winfluence]

Do you want to really bring another stupid reality to the table? Come on now...

Cross Reality? Jesus....

 

[Winfluence]

Listen guys. XR as it's most excepted means X as a variable. Developers are the largest group of people using this term from my observation and they have the strongest influence. It's why there is still some resistance to Mixed Reality even though the term is thrown around everywhere by CEOs and journalists who mock their words.

X as a fucking variable. Non-consumer term. Once you digest these two important points all of your questions are answered.

 

[MetaverseBranding]

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/02/xr-a-new-way-to-consider-the-reality-continuum/

"To bet that one specific point on the continuum will “win” is a rather narrow vision of what the future may look like. To believe in XR — that a fundamental shift is occurring in the way people view, share, create and use media data — is far less risky. In fact, it is all but a forgone conclusion on what has been happening with accelerating speed over the past couple of years."

 

[Kingslayer]

WebXR will make it well known.

How will it though? I think you may be overrating WebXR just as people overrated WebVR.

Other than domainers (as it ‘may’ give relevance to virtual related domain names), no one is really interested in WebXR just as they wasn’t with WebVR, majority of people don't have any idea what it is!

I’ve used VR a few times and using the web to browse experiences is something I’ve never really done and i don't think needs to be done.

 

[Elad n]

How will it though? I think you may be overrating WebXR just as people overrated WebVR.

Other than domainers (as it ‘may’ give relevance to virtual related domain names), no one is really interested in WebXR just as they wasn’t with WebVR, majority of people don't have any idea what it is!

I’ve used VR a few times and using the web to browse experiences is something I’ve never really done and i don't think needs to be done.

Patience we will know more soon.

No one knows yet lol.

 

[Elad n]

Do you want to really bring another stupid reality to the table? Come on now...

Cross Reality? Jesus....

cross as X means cross platform lmao

 

[Winfluence]

cross as X means cross platform lmao

There's no need for more realities just to add to the confusion. Cross is even less popular than hyper reality. Leave it alone lol....just leave it alone!

 

[Elad n]

There's no need for more realities just to add to the confusion. Cross is even less popular than hyper reality. Leave it alone lol....just leave it alone!

Ok, u dont understand what i meant. Let it go then.

 

[Kingslayer]

Patience we will know more soon.

No one knows yet lol.

Sure, no one knows what’s going to happen, but we have all these things about now WebXR, ARKit, WindowsMR just to name a few and it's all going a bit nuts.

I think there comes to a point where the whole industry has to come together (for the good of the industry) and say enough is enough, end the and let’s simplify it all and call it what it is (VR and AR).

I know you won't agree with that investing in a new term a heavily (XR) along with MR and another one in volumetric recently, but you know that's my views.

I always have to explain what AR is to people, i won't even try attempt all this other stuff

 

[Winfluence]

How will it though? I think you may be overrating WebXR just as people overrated WebVR.

Other than domainers (as it ‘may’ give relevance to virtual related domain names), no one is really interested in WebXR just as they wasn’t with WebVR, majority of people don't have any idea what it is!

I’ve used VR a few times and using the web to browse experiences is something I’ve never really done and i don't think needs to be done.

No one knows what WebVR is? Devs know...even Devs who don't care about XR know what WebVR is. It's the core of VR online. Now that it's WebXR, this sends a very strong message to industry people that it's common place and accepted by the WORLD WIDE WEB CONSORTIUM.

There was a meeting with Apple, Google, Facebook and a host of other companies organized by the W3 and it was highly publicized... So much that even non-industry people picked up on the buzz. You are clearly out of the loop.

If someone doesn't think the changing of WebVR to WebXR is influential, validating the term (in addition to OpenXR) they are either ignorant or in complete denial.

 

[Kingslayer]

No one knows what WebVR is? Devs know...even Devs who don't care about XR know what WebVR is.

I'm talking about regular people, the none nerds, the one's who just use VR/AR to have fun!

These are the people who will be mainly buying into VR/AR and regular people don't care or want to be bored to death on all the technical stuff and with that i would guess most haven't even heard of WebVR/WebXR or even care about it.

 

[VRdommy]

XR is also AI and Haptics
But not all XR contains them.
So how can it be a variable for a reality except to fit someones need for it to do so.
That describes a problem.
For everyone is interpreting it for 'as needed'... what they need it to be.
So it's not being used by everyone the same.
That spells confusion.... oh... Confusion
Developers who use it for cross-platform interfaces certainly have a need for the term.
Everyone of those developers who went to a dev convention in the last 8 months where the term was pushed, have taken it on themselves to use it at random as needed for their need.
Not realizing what they have done is against their own best interest.
And that TM that describes what it is, is meaningless if it is not defended.. And will be (meaningless).
I thought the reason for the TM was to control the term so that it was used correctly.

Those that created the mess can fix the mess.
But I will continue to find more promising name investments than those with that term.
I have done very well with 4L's this year. Paid for all renewals and some pocket cash to vacation on.
Treated everyone at the local speakeasy to a XR (LOL) experience along with a few rounds of drinks.
But I will be happy to part with XRSmartGlasses when a XR buyer finds the market...LOL...
guess what... I don't care how he/she uses it !
I am about profits, and what's more important, that I have them.
Don't lose sight of the end game !

 

[Winfluence]

I also think it's understood that even the domainers investing in consumer keyword XR domains understand that XR isn't a consumer term yet, but are taking the risk anyway.

All this debating is pointless if the only argument against XR is that consumers won't get it. That's old news. The XR industry in general gets this, which is why you will continue to see new companies branding themselves as AR and VR...in addition to the few that will brand with XR.

But just like I said earlier, 2 to 3 years ago it was considered incorrect to call 360 experiences VR, but now it's common place...even within consumer marketing to call 360 "virtual reality", because it's easier for consumers to generalize. It's not impossible that XR could be that next generalization to spare consumers from having to keep up with all the R's. It could be a huge long shot and who knows... But for now, XR is strictly an industry term.

 

[Elad n]

XR is also AI and Haptics
But not all XR contains them.
So how can it be a variable for a reality except to fit someones need for it to do so.
That describes a problem.
For everyone is interpreting it for 'as needed'... what they need it to be.
So it's not being used by everyone the same.
That spells confusion.... oh... Confusion
Developers who use it for cross-platform interfaces certainly have a need for the term.
Everyone of those developers who went to a dev convention in the last 8 months where the term was pushed, have taken it on themselves to use it at random as needed for their need.
Not realizing what they have done is against their own best interest.
And that TM that describes what it is, is meaningless if it is not defended.. And will be.
I thought the reason for the TM was to control the term so that it was used correctly.

Those that created the mess can fix the mess.
But I will continue to find more promising name investments than those with that term.
I have done very well with 4L's this year. Paid for all renewals and some pocket cash to vacation on.
Treated everyone at the local speakeasy to a XR (LOL) experience along with a few rounds of drinks.
But I will be happy to part with XRSmartGlasses when a XR buyer finds the market...LOL...
guess what... I don't care how he/she uses it !
I am about profits, and what's more important, that I have them.
Don't lose sight of the end game !

Im about patience lol.

Reason for the TM was that no one else will get it and defend the term from others using it.

 

[Winfluence]

XR is also AI and Haptics
But not all XR contains them.
So how can it be a variable for a reality except to fit someones need for it to do so.
That describes a problem.
For everyone is interpreting it for 'as needed'... what they need it to be.
So it's not being used by everyone the same.
That spells confusion.... oh... Confusion
Developers who use it for cross-platform interfaces certainly have a need for the term.
Everyone of those developers who went to a dev convention in the last 8 months where the term was pushed, have taken it on themselves to use it at random as needed for their need.
Not realizing what they have done is against their own best interest.
And that TM that describes what it is, is meaningless if it is not defended.. And will be.
I thought the reason for the TM was to control the term so that it was used correctly.

Those that created the mess can fix the mess.
But I will continue to find more promising name investments than those with that term.
I have done very well with 4L's this year. Paid for all renewals and some pocket cash to vacation on.
Treated everyone at the local speakeasy to a XR (LOL) experience along with a few rounds of drinks.
But I will be happy to part with XRSmartGlasses when a XR buyer finds the market...LOL...
guess what... I don't care how he/she uses it !
I am about profits, and what's more important, that I have them.
Don't lose sight of the end game !

You seem to be stuck on the Extended Reality definition, because you keep thinking that theres some kind of rule requiring a tech to have either this or either that when it's actually more general and loose than that.

 

[Winfluence]

I also think it's understood that even the domainers investing in consumer keyword XR domains understand that XR isn't a consumer term yet, but are taking the risk anyway.

All this debating is pointless if the only argument against XR is that consumers won't get it. That's old news. The XR industry in general gets this, which is why you will continue to see new companies branding themselves as AR and VR...in addition to the few that will brand with XR.

But just like I said earlier, 2 to 3 years ago it was considered incorrect to call 360 experiences VR, but now it's common place...even within consumer marketing to call 360 "virtual reality", because it's easier for consumers to generalize. It's not impossible that XR could be that next generalization to spare consumers from having to keep up with all the R's. It could be a huge long shot and who knows... But for now, XR is strictly an industry term.

(Edited and corrected)

 

[Winfluence]

XR doesn't necessarily mean cross platform either. Could simply mean that you provide completely separate services or products on different platforms...

 

[Elad n]

XR doesn't necessarily mean cross platform either. Could simply mean that you provide completely separate services or products on different platforms...

Agreed

 

[VRdommy]

Look you guys can't even agree on what it means among yourselves so stop trying to convince me.
I know what I see. Confusion.
I was at one of those dev conferences that presented it. I know what I was told.
Someone better get control of what it means before anyone starts using it as their brand.

 

[Winfluence]

Look you guys can't even agree on what it means among yourselves so stop trying to convince me.
I know what I see. Confusion.
I was at one of those dev conferences that presented it. I know what I was told.
Someone better get control of what it means before anyone starts using it as their brand.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just trying to stop the spread of misinformation.