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I'm still holding several decent longtail VR names too... But honestly, not been much action over the last year and a half or so...

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some nice stuff... ps how is your other vr names offers or sales last year or two?
 
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some nice stuff... ps how is your other vr names offers or sales last year or two?
Occasional interest on some of my better names - Property VR / Fashion VR / etc. - but big swings and no hits in the last couple of years... :xf.frown:
 
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Where exactly did you see that Qualcomm holds the tm for XR?
I doubt it will stop anyone iit'sbecoming a catch-all term for the industry.
But lets discuss.
Observant and correct.
If you remember my rant on this issue about 3-4+ years ago, Qualcomm made application for a bunch of TM's in a very broad sense and I could not imagine seeing it being granted, outside of perhaps the graphic, which was as broad as the rest. And they did not have a product or service to actually pin it to.
They were not granted their reservation for the marks.
You do not need the TM to defend a mark in actual use for specific things in use if you can prove you did indeed use the term substantially first. Registration just makes it easier (basically a declaration). They control the space within it's true specific actual uses.
Apple is not going to use the term. I can see them using the term mixed reality and VR/AR. And anything they create along the way. Perhaps AROS or ROS.

So, HTC revealed it's device at CES and it indeed has branded the device with XR and as I said, it uses the Qualcomm XR2 Snapdragon SOC.
https://www.pocket-lint.com/ar-vr/news/htc/163855-htc-vive-xr-elite-headset-launch/

This whole thing about Apple naming it's HMD OS xros is several leaps of faith.
1st because the actual registration is one more of those broad grabs to include all things and if you take the time to look at them, most of the G&S are not even new media. This was going on when Qualcomm made it's initial application. Someone actually trying to steal the mark ahead of what would likely be used.
You have herd of domain squatter, well, these are TM squatters. Extortionist to be short and clear.
Likely Failed TM attorney's trying to make a few dollars from a company that does not want a extended court battle, and settle for money even knowing they would win.

So the applications for the xros was made by mostly Chinese co's as far as when I looked last, many months ago, but likely have grown in number. And the fella reporting for Bloomberg quoted someone who assumed it was Apple reg'n xros because they have had a shell co make applications in the past. But once again, if you look at the G&S it clearly is not Apple.

But since I am on the topic again, I do wonder if anyone out there that has now had years to figure out what exactly XR is, just tell me the difference between XR and VR/AR/MR

So, you are left with those co's who make HMD's with Qualcomm SOC's being the limit for 'hardware' branded with the XR term. And Meta is buying in because of a common interest and a Apple device looming on the landscape.
https://www.roadtovr.com/meta-qualcomm-xr-snapdragon-partnership-apple-silicon/

One could see this as evident and why John Carmac left. What choice does Meta they have ? They are not up to the task of designing their own... yet. So this partnership with Qualcomm is a must.
But how do they do an exclusive remains to be seen. Qualcomm will have to make Meta specialized SOC's.
So, they have 3 years to catch-up to where Apple starts.

All of this brings me back to a point I made earlier. What is Microsoft up to ? They also have the power with all to design and have special purpose SOC made for them for HOLOLENS. But will they ?
The new Intel attitude and US born production plant makes for some more good speculation.
And MS has been pretty quite on this stuff the last year++.

That's not going to stop software from using XR I don't think, but it could be a issue I guess if it is made for a device that runs on a non-qualcomm chipset. I am waiting to see if that one develops at some point.

While XR may be a term to some extent, it is up in the air how broad and deep it invades domains.
By it's original intent, it is to broad of definition to be anything specific. And there is it's problem with exception to Qualcomm's VR/AR/MR platform who was the first to apply for the TM and coin it's use in the real world.

So You can think of XR as the post that started this thread because it was Qualcomm's answer to Project Alloy from Intel which went down the tubes about 2 years after it's inception, just as Intel lost the cellular market to Qualcomm.

It does amaze me just how many monkey see monkey do reporting there are out there since the original story on XROS spread to all the alt media pages we all read. And can legitimately be tied to that one flawed assumption made by someone reporting for Bloomberg. That kinda news sells to people who want to hear it, but where will they all be when everyone figures out it's not so.
It will just be forgotten as they sell you the next assumption and news you want to hear.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...HMD-and-5100-AR-Glasses-Solutions-at-CES-2023

We should all know this actual story within about 50 days.
After that,
I'm thinking Apple will announce a month before WWDC and release some 60 days later.
They have a dev program to kick-off. You are not likely to run Quest, Rift or Vive programs on a Apple HMD.
They did release the new Macbook Pro using the latest iteration of it's designed M2 Max
which should allow all the power needed for developing software for the new headset.
And, as I see it,
the new HOMEPOD is going to have the capacity to play a role with the new HMD. Enter John Carmac ?
 
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Wef terms xr 75 times in there report
 

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I am happy with xr growth as the umbrella term gone from no where to catching on i have had multiple offers over the last 12 months on xr names ranging from $10k to $20 k i am happy to wait
 
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I am happy with xr growth as the umbrella term gone from no where to catching on i have had multiple offers over the last 12 months on xr names ranging from $10k to $20 k i am happy to wait
That's what people are missing, while they are talking big offers are coming for XR names just diamond hands. 😂
I bought 7 more this week.

Again, nothing can stop any company not just apple from using XR for their device names operating system name or anything else.
 
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That's what people are missing, while they are talking big offers are coming for XR names just diamond hands. 😂
I bought 7 more this week.

Again, nothing can stop any company not just apple from using XR for their device names operating system name or anything else.
I look at it now that i am not here to convince anyone why they should go xr all i can say is i am happy that i went xr in 2016 and didn’t listen to all the negativity around it
 
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I look at it now that i am not here to convince anyone why they should go xr all i can say is i am happy that i went xr in 2016 and didn’t listen to all the negativity around it
I am not knocking XR, but I do hate to see a bunch of folks go overboard based on some facts that are not really there in reference to xros. Personally, while I know it will have a place in the alt media landscape, I can't determine how wide or deep it will be. That is something we will just have to see.
I gave the reasons why I do not expect to see Apple use the term, and they would be more likely to create their own. It's all speculation STILL ! but likely, not much longer.
And you should know by now that it is not how many times a term is used in web text or reports, it has a bunch more to do with search terms as far as valuation in the domain landscape.

To put it in better perspective, I would ask, do you search for a AUTOMOBILE or a SUV, Truck, EV etc ? Likely you get even more specific with terms than that. Just a example of broad and specific terms.
I might ask if 'XR Golf' would be a AR, VR or MR experience ?
I have a 'XR HMD' but it only does VR. Can I play XR Golf ?
That is how I envision this going forward. To each his own method. Mine is just an example.
I am saying think about how you apply the term.

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Apple's largest issue at this point is getting developers on board to start creating content.
Outside of existing 360/180/vr media content, they are starting from scratch.

And I think this release of Reality Pro HMD is clearly made for the DEV and priced to keep from devoting all their attention from being able to support a high number of sales for a HMD that practically has no content, giving it a bad public image.
Same thing Google 'tried' when it released GLASS, making them super expensive to limit sales to DEV's and it did not work. And Apple will have a subsequent release in 2024 more affordable and refined. Likely in time for the xmas 24 season. Apple AR 'glasses' are pretty far off, maybe as much as 4-5 more years.

I will say that I will likely be in line for one since I have been enrolled in the Apple Dev program since 2008 and the first release of the iPhone, even at a $3k price tag. I still have my original RIFT (kickstarter) and all the parts and box it came in. A piece of history now. Hey... it's 10 years old.
 
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I gave the reasons why I do not expect to see Apple use the term, and they would be more likely to create their own. It's all speculation STILL ! but likely, not much longer.
And you should know by now that it is not how many times a term is used in web text or reports, it has a bunch more to do with search terms as far as valuation in the domain landscape.

Apple will probably deem it as 'iVirtual' or 'Apple Reality' in the end, they've never been one to jump on the band wagon what everything is called, they like to be unique.

We all have our own views, i've given mine in the past, but I will say it again, I believe everything needs to be simplified for the customer and in my opinion any headset that can do both VR/AR is still a 'virtual reality' and that (in my opinion) is what everything will ultimately be called, something everyone is familiar with, something everyone knows what is and can marketed out without explanation.

I see the word 'metaverse' having a future too, as well as the word 'immersive'.

XR/AR etc (if have any long term future) will just be tech terms, ie:- people who work in these industries talking amongst themselves, i can't see these abbreviations on any packaging in shops.
 
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I am not knocking XR, but I do hate to see a bunch of folks go overboard based on some facts that are not really there in reference to xros. Personally, while I know it will have a place in the alt media landscape, I can't determine how wide or deep it will be. That is something we will just have to see.
I gave the reasons why I do not expect to see Apple use the term, and they would be more likely to create their own. It's all speculation STILL ! but likely, not much longer.
And you should know by now that it is not how many times a term is used in web text or reports, it has a bunch more to do with search terms as far as valuation in the domain landscape.

To put it in better perspective, I would ask, do you search for a AUTOMOBILE or a SUV, Truck, EV etc ? Likely you get even more specific with terms than that. Just a example of broad and specific terms.
I might ask if 'XR Golf' would be a AR, VR or MR experience ?
I have a 'XR HMD' but it only does VR. Can I play XR Golf ?
That is how I envision this going forward. To each his own method. Mine is just an example.
I am saying think about how you apply the term.

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Apple's largest issue at this point is getting developers on board to start creating content.
Outside of existing 360/180/vr media content, they are starting from scratch.

And I think this release of Reality Pro HMD is clearly made for the DEV and priced to keep from devoting all their attention from being able to support a high number of sales for a HMD that practically has no content, giving it a bad public image.
Same thing Google 'tried' when it released GLASS, making them super expensive to limit sales to DEV's and it did not work. And Apple will have a subsequent release in 2024 more affordable and refined. Likely in time for the xmas 24 season. Apple AR 'glasses' are pretty far off, maybe as much as 4-5 more years.

I will say that I will likely be in line for one since I have been enrolled in the Apple Dev program since 2008 and the first release of the iPhone, even at a $3k price tag. I still have my original RIFT (kickstarter) and all the parts and box it came in. A piece of history now. Hey... it's 10 years old.

Lets put things into perspective because it reminds me that years ago when people here said I'm hyping XR and only trying to shill XR names to investors or making investors losing money.
I think i have made more than 40k on XR names till this date (not by selling to investors)

About use cases, unless its a specific use case most companies will choose a broader name so they wont need to rebrand.
We are already seeing it with a lot of companies that rebranded from vr to xr +companies that are using xr in the first place.

About apple, who knows really what apple will do but in that specific case the reporter is one of the best sources about apple that was right about most of his takes in the past + he says that anonymous sources in the company approved the xros thing.
Well, of course these are not facts and anything can happen but we cant say its total bullshit as well.

In anycase i or any other of the investors that invest in XR did that because of apple.
 
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Well you have
webxr
openxr

Companies and sites like these ( wasn't even hard to look and i got bored and stopped in the middle)

xrtoday.com
learnxr.io
xrlabs.com
picoxr.com
vive.com - using vive xr elite
inceptionxr.com
byondxr.com
xra.org
euphoriaxr.com
radiusxr.com
mediview.com (called medviewxr)
triggerxr.com (a rebrand)
xrbootcamp.com
xrstudios.live
xrterra.com
xrguru.com
xrcouture.com
kaixr.com
xr-group.nl
So again, anything can happen but people need to research more i would say :ROFL:

Plus all the big companies embracing XR terminology so far.
 
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wow someone maybe here dropped tons of holo names ... I follow expireddomainsnet daily for years on vr holo crypto and few.more so I know

not good names so drop was good call... I'm not big on holo..think I made 3k on it... but do own a few ones:

holoarcades.com
holoblocks.com
holoconsole.com
holodeck.io
holodriver.com
hologram.one
hologramimage.com
holographicapp.com
holographicassistant.com
holographicavatar.com
holographicu.com
holographicxxx.com
holopixels.com
holoproducer.com
holoprogram.com
holoreader.com
holosoldier.com
 
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I am not knocking XR, but I do hate to see a bunch of folks go overboard based on some facts that are not really there in reference to xros. Personally, while I know it will have a place in the alt media landscape, I can't determine how wide or deep it will be. That is something we will just have to see.
I gave the reasons why I do not expect to see Apple use the term, and they would be more likely to create their own. It's all speculation STILL ! but likely, not much longer.
And you should know by now that it is not how many times a term is used in web text or reports, it has a bunch more to do with search terms as far as valuation in the domain landscape.

To put it in better perspective, I would ask, do you search for a AUTOMOBILE or a SUV, Truck, EV etc ? Likely you get even more specific with terms than that. Just a example of broad and specific terms.
I might ask if 'XR Golf' would be a AR, VR or MR experience ?
I have a 'XR HMD' but it only does VR. Can I play XR Golf ?
That is how I envision this going forward. To each his own method. Mine is just an example.
I am saying think about how you apply the term.

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Apple's largest issue at this point is getting developers on board to start creating content.
Outside of existing 360/180/vr media content, they are starting from scratch.

And I think this release of Reality Pro HMD is clearly made for the DEV and priced to keep from devoting all their attention from being able to support a high number of sales for a HMD that practically has no content, giving it a bad public image.
Same thing Google 'tried' when it released GLASS, making them super expensive to limit sales to DEV's and it did not work. And Apple will have a subsequent release in 2024 more affordable and refined. Likely in time for the xmas 24 season. Apple AR 'glasses' are pretty far off, maybe as much as 4-5 more years.

I will say that I will likely be in line for one since I have been enrolled in the Apple Dev program since 2008 and the first release of the iPhone, even at a $3k price tag. I still have my original RIFT (kickstarter) and all the parts and box it came in. A piece of history now. Hey... it's 10 years old.
Time reveals all and one day we will have the answer to our questions wish all the best here and make money from years of hodling and discussing the future of reality
 
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wow someone maybe here dropped tons of holo names ... I follow expireddomainsnet daily for years on vr holo crypto and few.more so I know

not good names so drop was good call... I'm not big on holo..think I made 3k on it... but do own a few ones:

holoarcades.com
holoblocks.com
holoconsole.com
holodeck.io
holodriver.com
hologram.one
hologramimage.com
holographicapp.com
holographicassistant.com
holographicavatar.com
holographicu.com
holographicxxx.com
holopixels.com
holoproducer.com
holoprogram.com
holoreader.com
holosoldier.com
Wow i think a lot of hopes were held with microsoft and the hololens still own a few but cheers for posting interesting
 
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yea even on namebio holo show mega hard sales... I guess we all dying to know how virtual world will play out with names and all but it sucks to wait another 10 years to get a final answer and definite winner. even what seems to work now or be hot may be totally trashed in final outcomes. bit like 1000 crypto coins and maybe 1 left down the road.
 
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yea even on namebio holo show mega hard sales... I guess we all dying to know how virtual world will play out with names and all but it sucks to wait another 10 years to get a final answer and definite winner. even what seems to work now or be hot may be totally trashed in final outcomes. bit like 1000 crypto coins and maybe 1 left down the road.
I really doubt you will ever have a one takes all.
I see it as ever changing.
So, I could say one takes 'most' for a while. That may put it in perspective.
And while holo seems a bit lame at the moment, MS is not asleep at the wheel, I'm sure. They are the ones that will kick that one up for the most part. But I don't see it for a couple of years anyway.
Perhaps they will surprise me, OR we have true AR glasses in the market.

Interesting compilation of Apple Rumor mill stuff....
https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/23/apple-reality-pro-headset-features-details/
 
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I really doubt you will ever have a one takes all.
I see it as ever changing.
So, I could say one takes 'most' for a while. That may put it in perspective.
And while holo seems a bit lame at the moment, MS is not asleep at the wheel, I'm sure. They are the ones that will kick that one up for the most part. But I don't see it for a couple of years anyway.
Perhaps they will surprise me, OR we have true AR glasses in the market.

Interesting compilation of Apple Rumor mill stuff....
https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/23/apple-reality-pro-headset-features-details/
$3,000 will be the sticking point i understand the costs will come down overtime much like cell phones in the early days but $3k in an economy where thousands of jobs going daily should be rough
 
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Plus here in Australia that cost because of the dollar could be $4 to $4.5 K oz crazy stuff
 
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$3,000 will be the sticking point i understand the costs will come down overtime much like cell phones in the early days but $3k in an economy where thousands of jobs going daily should be rough
Yea, that is right.
But as I was pointing out earlier, they really do not want to sell amass right now.
They need the limited supply they will have for a demand like you can imagine, to be more for the developers to write the stuff we all want to enjoy. The price is inflated intentionally and artificially as I see it.

Apple has already admitted as much that a second lighter and cheaper version is right behind it.
Do not assume it is a lesser feature/performance.
From the rumor link I posted above, if true, shows this thing (reality Pro) has a aluminum body. And I would guess that is more for heat dissipation, and that tells me that it really does not have the fully intended SOC ready at launch time. They have been at this for so long, I can only imagine that the second version was coming together a bit faster than expected. I seen a rumor mill post some time ago that stated the second iteration actually has a higher res display. Hard to know what to believe for sure on this, but you can see what I'm thinking anyway.

I'm kinda thinking this second version will be priced half as much and actually be better.
 
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We all knew this was coming as it has been tested small scale beta a few times...
But it looks like the first version Alfa for Meta anyway.
https://about.fb.com/news/2023/01/nba-games-in-vr-on-quest/

'Content'
But still far from generating names demand. This sub-niche is not for anyone but the 'big boys' I guess.
You know sports leagues are not interested in small licensing deals. They favor bidding wars for a few large players.
 
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Sony reportedly cut production and slashed sales projections of the PSVR 2. Then they denied cutting production but didn't say whether sales projections had been lowered.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-order-disappointment-leads-to-production-cut
https://www.roadtovr.com/report-sony-psvr-2-preorder-sales/
I think they are responding to the YOY sales for VR being down. But I conclude those are preliminary numbers and may not be as bad as originally thought. But down some is likely.
There has been so much hype about Apple, I think there is a segment holding out for it.

But hey, worldwide the economy is in a bind. Those of us in the US are not feeling that as much as most.
And you have this thing with Sony liking to sell-out with it's initial batch to make free headlines.

Hard to say what is in their thinking, but probably some combination of the above.

I see meta lowered the price of Quest Pro which it just released.
https://mixed-news.com/en/meta-has-just-released-quest-pro-and-is-already-lowering-the-price/
I believe that unit was designed for enterprise with consumer crossover.
But, it's not just Lucy with some 'spainin to do... (to shareholders)
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/01/met...ality-labs-in-2022-after-metaverse-pivot.html
And it looks like they have, as their stock is doing well after the news.

So, we are all nervous over potential bad news for the industry, but I don't see anything yet that is detrimental.
Think of it as growing pains before a new much better generation of products is released.
 
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