discuss Help me not lose 2 domains .ca that i invest 1000 $

[Armageddon]

Recived a verofocation from CIRCA for 4 domain names .CA , but only two of them are important for me because i invest in them aprox 1000 USD

CIRCA verification is neccessary to meet the criteria for registration of .CA


I need some one from Canada who have trust in me & viceversa to make a legal partnership that is recognize by Government of Canada

Legal partnership is neccessary to prove i am the right to own .CA & is not mandatory to be for undetermined period of time , i think is possible only to pass this issue , some one who knows the rules

very well .


From customer support recived this link's as guide

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/h_wr00002.html


But because my english is poor in technical terms is very hard to me to understand what say on this pages


So who want to help me please send me a PM (special if you are a old member & have good reputation)


Kind regards,

Ovidiu


P.S. I speak with some people & say CIRCA make very very rare this type of verification & i guess some want to hurt me & want this two domains ( maybe a domainer ) that are important and make the compliant

say again i invest aprox 1000 USD & possible to be sell to a end buyer over 10000 USD ( even each )

 

[Armageddon]

I do not have any knowledge of the .ca extension and its policies, but @MapleDots come to my mind with that extension and may be he could add some further value to this thread.

I speak with him

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

If you look at all the North American domainers snapping up .cn (Chinese) domains during the gold rush...the protectionism doesn't make sense. With a population of only 33 million, you do a disservice to the regional market by shutting out foreign buyers.

Well said.

 

[Armageddon]

For the moment i wait a answer from a member of domainer community

 

[Armageddon]

Foreign businesses who have legal operations in Canada are more than welcome to .ca domains as far as I know.

The issue is foreigners who have no intention of building a business, and while not the case with legitimate "domainers", for the most part the concern is fraud, spam, phishing and preventing ligitimate Canadians and Canadian businesses from obtaining the best and most relevant names possible for their business.

Yes I know I've actually made the case against domainers in general .. lol .. but those are the rules and why they are in place. That's why it's better to stay within your country's ccTLD, to invest in ccTLD's that are known to want foreign "DOMAIN REVENUE ONLY" investment, or generic TLD's ngTLD's or .com, .net, .org, .etc ...

The difference with Canada and a few select other nations, is that any potential external domain revenue is completely irrelevant to our economy. If anything, one could argue that the lack of availability of domains due to foreign domainers actually would hurt our economy more then the minor revenue of a few hundred thousand domains.

That's the big difference with Canada and countries like Montenegro, Tuvalu, BIOT (.io), Anguilla, Columbia, etc .. for those countries, the actual domain registration income is significant to them (with regards to the size of their economy) .. and as such they welcome the revenue as a means to enrich their people. Where as the potential foreign revenue for Canada would represent about 1/1,000,000th of our economy. I think it's cool some countries can take advantage of domains to help enrich their people ... but at the end of the day I understand why each country would want to maintain sovereignty over their domain space .. particularly those like Canada where our digital economy is a huge and vital part of our economy.

The other factor is that for many of these other countries, their official language is not English ... whereas domainers still tend to buy English domains .. so in reality, they aren't taking anything away from local businesses.

Even when it comes to domaining with .ca domains, at least (in theory) by only allowing Canadian domainers to buy .ca domains, the domaining revenue stays in Canada and the profits taxed by the Canadian Government.


All that said .. it really sucks @Backorder-ing.com stands to lose $1000! More than the domains, I really hope he find a way to at least get his money back.

Person who make this complain against me not want domains for is business , want for his purpose - to sell and make big money & probably is a domainer as is a very high possibility not be a Canadian citizen mister @Ategy.com , but i thank you , you share to us from your experince

 

[Armageddon]

Thank you so much for that @wwwweb

I have been trying to tell that to @Backorder-ing.com
He has asked me to provide passport and other legal documents. I basically told him I own over a thousand domains and I cannot put my business into jeopardy.

Now what @Backorder-ing.com does not know is that like a lot of domainers I am actually a CIRA member. I would help him if I could but I already mentioned to him that it is similar to fraud.

I genuinely do not know how to help him without committing perjury. If I could think of a way around it I would but in this case I think he should contact cira and throw himself at their mercy and ask if he can transfer the domain to a canadian. Being up front is sometimes the best policy and might just work. Now if he gets the OK for that I will gladly accept his domains into my account and hold them for him. I will even pay his renewal charges and he can pay me back when he sells them. That is the extend of what I can offer.

With that, I wish him lots of luck.

PS. As far as risk goes, @Backorder-ing.com there is none, I am a man of my word and if I say the domains will remain yours you can take that to the bank. I have bought tens of thousands of dollars in domains from namepros members with verbal handshakes.

One of the reason i thank you for support!
And also say to you few options so i will be glad if you will answer to that convo on other forum

 

[branding]

If he gave the domains for free to someone just to hold for him for no consideration all the time being the actual owner that would be as illegal as the fraudulent conveyances mentioned above. Think, mob owned casinos run by a squeaky clean front man.

^ this. As far as I know they don't allow trustee service either. It would be a way to circumvent the rules, nonetheless not allowed.

 

[DomainGuy86]

Yeah...you agreed to the terms/contract. However, under Canadian contract law you need competency/capacity which arguably is not present here--resulting in a monetary loss which also undermines the original consideration ($1,000 for a domain which you understood would have no restrictions).
That may be grounds for a 'failure of consideration' and discharge by frustration.

Now that's a considerable amount of money which you never intended to get trapped into a precarious situation, let alone seized. I would say you have a shot at a refund--especially if lawyers involved but then your money goes to fees + potentially being barred from registrar. Not a lot of good options.

Best you can hope for is a slap on the wrist, "don't do it again""-type situation.

 

[xynames]

How was he led to believe that the domains were not restricted to Canadian national buyers? In fact he appears to state the opposite - that the seller was a good person and did not mislead him.

 

[cipcip]

No they don't. De requires a German postal address for the admin address only but allows any proxy, usually provided by the registrar.

.fr for is free for all, as is .nl.

Nl has requirements, check dynadot page.
Fr, re, yt, wf at last on internet.bs has requirements.

Anyway, those were just examples

 

[Armageddon]

As a matter of fact, none of the above seem to have restrictions anymore. I know of .pt but if my memory serves right they also dropped the restrictions.

Yeh , most of them dropped restrictions

Maybe CIRA & Nexus should do the same because with so much newTLD this restrictions are pointless

 

[branding]

Sorry. Accidental double post

 

[The Durfer]

i tried the same thing last year but was asking before I did it if someone from Canada would partner with me. I think since you went ahead and took the risk you were already deciding yourself win or loss without someone else. So what you need to do is get your money back which would be a legal issue and you need a lawyer not a domainer. ty.

 

[Armageddon]

' i think it is far more likely this came up because it was listed on domain marketplace and standard CIRA checks'
Nope! if it was , should check other .ca i own aslo put in marketplace well know ( can CIRA tell me/find what .ca i own ? - NO !)- but they didn't only for this 4 ( 2 of them are decoy - not important )
Maybe if they come with a official statement here on NP & say was standard check
A lesson ? @Bob Hawkes - of course , i learn my lesson

 

[topdom]

Find a trustable person at NP who is from Canada. Make sure you are trustable also. Make an agreement with him/her this way:
-Admin email belongs to you
-The rest of the contact info belongs to him/her.
-Offer some percentage of ownership, or percentage of a sale price. Promise to sell if there is an offer in
some range.

I'm not saying it would work. But I don't see any reason why it shouldn't.

 

[JordanH]

Totally against this. As a fellow Canadian myself, if you are not a Canadian or have a legal business in Canada, you should not be buying .ca domains. Hope you lose the .ca domains you invested so much in for trying to get around the rules.