discuss Help me not lose 2 domains .ca that i invest 1000 $

[Armageddon]

Recived a verofocation from CIRCA for 4 domain names .CA , but only two of them are important for me because i invest in them aprox 1000 USD

CIRCA verification is neccessary to meet the criteria for registration of .CA


I need some one from Canada who have trust in me & viceversa to make a legal partnership that is recognize by Government of Canada

Legal partnership is neccessary to prove i am the right to own .CA & is not mandatory to be for undetermined period of time , i think is possible only to pass this issue , some one who knows the rules

very well .


From customer support recived this link's as guide

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/h_wr00002.html


But because my english is poor in technical terms is very hard to me to understand what say on this pages


So who want to help me please send me a PM (special if you are a old member & have good reputation)


Kind regards,

Ovidiu


P.S. I speak with some people & say CIRCA make very very rare this type of verification & i guess some want to hurt me & want this two domains ( maybe a domainer ) that are important and make the compliant

say again i invest aprox 1000 USD & possible to be sell to a end buyer over 10000 USD ( even each )

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Here is the link to the Canadian presence requirements from CIRA and the various ways they can be met. I read this as to be met in order to register, not with possibility to meet after the fact (although I might be wrong)
https://cira.ca/policy/rules-and-procedures/canadian-presence-requirements-registrants

I don't know how quickly a partnership could be registered, but when I did a provincial one a couple of decades ago I seem to recall that between initial application, name search by third party that was required to process application, waiting for approval, and then final granting it was a few months.

Bob

 

[Bob Hawkes]

none of us is owner of .CA domains

I disagree. I would say "all of us are owners of .ca". Anyone who legally registered a .ca (i.e. met presence requirements) can without cost join CIRA after confirming residency and as such attend events, vote for board members or run for board positions, etc. The extension is literally owned by the people who legally register it. In many ways it is run like a strata or condominium council.
Bob

 

[rh2000]

Recived a verofocation from CIRCA for 4 domain names .CA , but only two of them are important for me because i invest in them aprox 1000 USD

CIRCA verification is neccessary to meet the criteria for registration of .CA


I need some one from Canada who have trust in me & viceversa to make a legal partnership that is recognize by Government of Canada

Legal partnership is neccessary to prove i am the right to own .CA & is not mandatory to be for undetermined period of time , i think is possible only to pass this issue , some one who knows the rules

very well .


From customer support recived this link's as guide

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/Home

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/h_wr00002.html


But because my english is poor in technical terms is very hard to me to understand what say on this pages


So who want to help me please send me a PM (special if you are a old member & have good reputation)


Kind regards,

Ovidiu


P.S. I speak with some people & say CIRCA make very very rare this type of verification & i guess some want to hurt me & want this two domains ( maybe a domainer ) that are important and make the compliant

say again i invest aprox 1000 USD & possible to be sell to a end buyer over 10000 USD ( even each )

Looks like you have to be a resident of Canada to own those domains. Just like when you own a .US domain you have to live in the United States. Try and talk to a domainer from Canada. Maybe they can help you. Good luck.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

Sorry .. looking at the posts here it looks like it's a very complicated situation. As most of you who follow my daily blog/lists at NameCult know, my life is a chaotic mess these days. I don't really have the ability to commit to looking into the legalities of this. Plus at this point it seems like it's too late.

I know I had a couple of .ca over the years, but I bought them more for person reasons or potential projects that I never did anything with (honestly not even sure if I have any now or not .. lol.

They must have been extremely good domains to say they are worth 10,000 ... I stay away from ccTLD's in general aside from the ones that were repurposed (.tv .co).



For many countries, they choose to be more open to make money. In theory I can understand all countries wanting to protect access to their digital branding. It's not good for domainers, but it is usually good for the general interest of the citizens (also help reduce international phishing, spam, fraud, etc).

It sucks that it happened, but it's most definitely a risk.

Good luck all the same!

Please let us know what happens.

Nope, it has nothing to do with money. People always find a way or another to actually circumvent the rules in place. The OP should have taken into consideration these limits which are in place before committing any money into these domains. He left himself open to this unfortunate, delicate ,and unenviable situation. The OP is implying that someone - presumably a Canadian - might have filled a complaint against him. Is it that easy with .CA domains? Assuming the names are taken away from the OP, what happens to them? Do they drop? Do they get auctioned?.

Good luck to the OP, for he will need it a lot as it appears.

 

[DomainGuy86]

If you look at all the North American domainers snapping up .cn (Chinese) domains during the gold rush...the protectionism doesn't make sense. With a population of only 33 million, you do a disservice to the regional market by shutting out foreign buyers.

 

[branding]

I don't think anyone will be able to help you at this point. In my experience the .ca registry has always been actively enforcing their local presence requirements.

For this exact reason I would not even concider registering one for personal use, let alone as an Investment. If you cannot legally own it it makes for a risky investment.

The same goes for .us although they hardly ever (to my knowledge) enforce the policy it would always be a huge factor of uncertainty. If you'd encounter a knowledgeable end-user you're screwed as soon as they file a complaint, which might very well have been the case in your situation.

I'm not 100% sure but I think they will delete the domain upon failure of verification of your credentials. Maybe you can partner up with someone who can legally own it and try a backorder of some sort although that probably would require a monetary incentive for your partner.

Maybe @MapleDots can shed some lights on the process once they have established it is an unrighteous registration?

I totally get why these rules are in place like @Ategy.com stated, it is to protect the rights of their own citizens which basically is one of the most important tasks of a registry running a ccTLD.

 

[Mikeyboy]

I believe they just eventually expire and dropped

 

[wwwweb]

Let's see in the future that , they find my other .ca i own . I don't think so!
But thanks again @MapleDots thanks for support & wish you best luck , with this answer i think you don't want to help me as i write to you on a convo on other forum

All the best to all!

the legal term of what you are asking
for is fraudulent conveyance.

Given Maples investment in the space, it would put a huge target on his back by doing so, a big reason why most people here really can’t help you. I suggest you find a lawyer in the region, who might be able to setup an agreement for you. There is no real quick fix for this.

 

[eurorealtor]

Lesson learned, before buying ccTLD, always check the rules of the country. And always tell your buyer about existing restriction, to avoid damage of your reputation.

 

[wwwweb]

Why? I see people from other countries, including Canadians, having premium names of my country even though it is not allowed and they dont live there. I believe no limit and it should be open game. Tell me believe, dont you have a domain with an extension that you are not supposed to have? That is why they have the companies that sign instead of the registrant.

Respectfully you need to understand the mandate of .ca, it’s not about selling a million registrations, and renewals to anyone willing to pay. They are the gatekeeper of creating trusted online URL’s for Canadians, and businesses that operate in that region. Simple as that, I wouldn’t take it in a form meaning to pick at anyone from any other Country, they are just staying true to their mandate, unlike others who kind of look the other way in a trade off for registrations.

I would recommend anyone who disagrees with their policy, to actually read their terms of registration, in which they clearly set out their registration terms. Also you have to click to accept the terms before you can even accept a domain into your account.

 

[cipcip]

It is funny how some people here are pointing fingers when someone register a .ca domain, but many of you have .nl domains, .de domains, .fr domains and others that require state or european presence.

I will personally report all of them that I see from here on, to the registry.

 

[Armageddon]

It is funny how some people here are pointing fingers when someone register a .ca domain, but many of you have .nl domains, .de domains, .fr domains and others that require state or european presence.

I will personally report all of them that I see from here on, to the registry.

I will report all 2.800.000 .ca domains
@cipcip no problem we are in a free world , thanks for help you & other's (@MapleDots , @MasterOfMyDomains etc..) here on forum

 

[MapleDots]

It is funny how some people here are pointing fingers when someone register a .ca domain, but many of you have .nl domains, .de domains, .fr domains and others that require state or european presence.

It's not about pointing fingers, it's about knowing the risk.
Like I said, I own a .us domain and if I get it taken away I knew the risk before I bought it.

That said.... if my .us was a direct match for a US business and they wanted it then I would be considered in the wrong and the company in the US would probably be in the right if they reported me.

With a .ca I have had a couple of occasions where I checked and someone from the States owned some prime ones without a legitimate claim. Now if I reported them they would probably lose them but it does not mean I would get them, it just means they would get released back into the system and the back order companies would snap them up. So basically there is no benefit to reporting anyone unless you want to be an a-hole about it.

 

[MapleDots]

Well said

No, not at all well said...

Reporting another domainer is just petty

We are all in the same business and no good can come if we start reporting each other.

 

[branding]

It is funny how some people here are pointing fingers when someone register a .ca domain, but many of you have .nl domains, .de domains, .fr domains and others that require state or european presence.

I will personally report all of them that I see from here on, to the registry.

No they don't. De requires a German postal address for the admin address only but allows any proxy, usually provided by the registrar.

.fr for is free for all, as is .nl.

 

[branding]

Yeh , most of them dropped restrictions

Maybe CIRA & Nexus should do the same because with so much newTLD this restrictions are pointless

Maybe. It would be good for us domainers. It really depends on the TLD imo, primarily used language and how well established and mature the namespace is.

Restrictions are good to protect local businesses and individuals though. There are always ways to legally circumvent theses if you want. Back in the day .nl was only open to be registered by local companies. I really wanted one so formed a company solely to be able to claim my name. How things have changed .

It's a complicated matter.

 

[branding]

@Backorder-ing.com

On a side note, love your website slogan And you're right, .us is way undervalued!

 

[branding]

, PLEASE show respect for your country USA & buy/register a .US (advertising)

To put this into perspective, there are 4.37M .nl domains registered on a population of 17M people.

There are 2.70M .us domains registered on a population of 308M people.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

No, not at all well said...

Reporting another domainer is just petty

We are all in the same business and no good can come if we start reporting each other.

Yep I know and that is the whole point of seeing this from the OP's view. This was actually directed to those who really believe the OP should take a loss and those who also believe that there should be restrictions for their own extension. I dont actually mean it and agree 100% to report any one for any domains they own, because I am all for open world with no restrictions. Actually, if I believed in this 100%, it would not take me any time to start from my country's extension and then you will see people flood this thread saying it happened to them with another extension

For your part, you actually offered excellent help to the OP if it is possible and great respect for you for that.

 

[Dorelu]

Rules are rules.
Helping one who (deliberately) didn't obey a rule is bad for integrity.
You're not losing 1k. That's the cost of learning from your mistake.

 

[Armageddon]

Can't you push them to a register that can set up a proxy/trustee registration service?

You would have pay a higher annual fee, but there are companies that provide this service. This way the names are still owned by you

Thanks for suggestion , but this is not possible

Once you recived complaint from CIRCA they will block to change registrant , transfer etc..so for others this must be a lesson & how to act in future

+ not to mention ( i don't read TOS of CIRCA ) but from my point of view is a abussive thing & they can do anything , basic none of us is owner of .CA domains

Problem is this domains i recived complaints , some one wants otherwise no problomes to reg. dot CA

But to avoid this type of situations must set ( where is possible ) 'Whois privacy under GDPR ' something like this..i have a domain , but not important that i set this option after recived emails from CIRCA

When i acquired domains in case this option was not available on DD

My only solution is as i say on my post , to have a legal partnership with a Canadian citizen

 

[NickB]

Thanks for the clarification, I would of offered to help but I'm in the UK.....

I hope you get this resolved and someone on here can help you.

 

[briguy]

The (dot)ca thread has some "legal" experienced members posting in it

https://www.namepros.com/threads/dot-ca-discussion-and-showcase.491396/page-173#post-7328789

Maybe members like @DomainRecap (first name that came to mind) might help

 

[Ategy]

Nope, it has nothing to do with money. People always find a way or another to actually circumvent the rules in place.

You're talking about 2 very different things.

You asked why outsiders have domains from your country, bearing in mind I don't know what country you're from, I was speaking in general, that definitely 100% some countries encourage outsiders to register domains so that they can make money (for multiple reasons, both legit and/or corruption depending on the country).

In fact .. some countries are extremely aggressive about it .. specifically look at re-purposed ccTLDs .. like .co, .tv, .io, .ai, .me etc .. there are others who also have no rules because they want outside money .. but they go unlucky with meaningless ccTLDs.

But also .. yes .. some people do circumvent rules. But what I was saying is that in some countries you don't need to circumvent the rules because it is either allowed, or even encouraged.

Unfortunately for @Backorder-ing.com .. that is not the case in Canada!

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

Foreign businesses who have legal operations in Canada are more than welcome to .ca domains as far as I know.

The issue is foreigners who have no intention of building a business, and while not the case with legitimate "domainers", for the most part the concern is fraud, spam, phishing and preventing ligitimate Canadians and Canadian businesses from obtaining the best and most relevant names possible for their business.

Yes I know I've actually made the case against domainers in general .. lol .. but those are the rules and why they are in place. That's why it's better to stay within your country's ccTLD, to invest in ccTLD's that are known to want foreign "DOMAIN REVENUE ONLY" investment, or generic TLD's ngTLD's or .com, .net, .org, .etc ...

The difference with Canada and a few select other nations, is that any potential external domain revenue is completely irrelevant to our economy. If anything, one could argue that the lack of availability of domains due to foreign domainers actually would hurt our economy more then the minor revenue of a few hundred thousand domains.

That's the big difference with Canada and countries like Montenegro, Tuvalu, BIOT (.io), Anguilla, Columbia, etc .. for those countries, the actual domain registration income is significant to them (with regards to the size of their economy) .. and as such they welcome the revenue as a means to enrich their people. Where as the potential foreign revenue for Canada would represent about 1/1,000,000th of our economy. I think it's cool some countries can take advantage of domains to help enrich their people ... but at the end of the day I understand why each country would want to maintain sovereignty over their domain space .. particularly those like Canada where our digital economy is a huge and vital part of our economy.

The other factor is that for many of these other countries, their official language is not English ... whereas domainers still tend to buy English domains .. so in reality, they aren't taking anything away from local businesses.

Even when it comes to domaining with .ca domains, at least (in theory) by only allowing Canadian domainers to buy .ca domains, the domaining revenue stays in Canada and the profits taxed by the Canadian Government.


All that said .. it really sucks @Backorder-ing.com stands to lose $1000! More than the domains, I really hope he find a way to at least get his money back.

You would be surprised to learn that many domainers and companies are actually translating the domains and registering them. I have seen this in country extensions and as well as even .com. So the game is a lot unfair and bigger than how .CA is doing things. Even if we take your argument that most of those countries dont speak English and thus no one is taking their names, dont we deserve to have English domains with our country extension? Or are we just confined to our local language only? See how it is all linked? The OP is clearly suspecting that someone is actually after his domains and I asked you earlier, what happens if the OP fails to show justifiable and convincing reason of why he should retain the ownership of the two domains? Are they locked forever? Do they drop get auctioned?