.tv Having your .tv realization moment...

[snoop]

A little story:

I remember when I was in my teens, in the early nineties, I was a huge Amiga fan. I used to buy all the magazines (probably spent $50 a month), oodled at the machines in the shops, think about buying every add on out there and would recommend the machine to friends. I was a fanatic, a one eyed supporter, loyal.

Around 1992-1993 I decided it was time to upgrade from my Amiga 500, a great machine but I wanted something better. If I remember rightly I was going to spent something like $1500 on a new Amiga 1200, it had a 20mb hard drive, I think was about 15mhz and 2 gb of ram. The machine wasn’t cheap and addons were somewhat limited and pricey. I was getting very close to buying one and living that dream was about to head to the shop. I was flicking through the computer section of the local newspaper. At that time you could get a 25mghz 486sx with 4mb of ram and a 80mb hard drive for about the same price.

That is when I had my realization moment.

“I’m getting less than half the machine for the same price”
“Wtf am I doing?”

Because I am a fan of something I’d buy a machine that most sane people would consider outdated and overpriced? Is that rational?

That was when I decided my misplaced sense of loyalty was costing me money and it was time to ditch that loyalty. The Amiga isn’t my best friend, my brother or an employer who has helped me out, it is freaking piece of machinery!

I headed out to the local shop and bought a PC, I never regretted it though to this day I still check out some of the Amiga sites online.

So the question is, how much is your loyalty to .tv costing your hip pocket? Are you making bad financial decision for emotional reasons? Do you see yourself as an unpaid .tv ambassador?

Reg fees at least double, poor performing tld, after 10 years it never quite turned out as expected….hmm is this the Amiga of the domain world?

 

[freedom30]

Eyedomainous the questions remain much the same, where is the ad network and if there is one why is there adwords ads on the site? What is novel about youtube videos on a site (every second .tv domainer tries this and calls it development). If this has never been done in the hotel industry before then I would question still whether it is of any significance. What is so impressive about an RSS feed and some youtube videos? The only impressive thing is that a hotel is running it, the site itself is completely unimpressive.

Regarding the originality if it is just on youtube then the content value is zero, I'm not even sure if some of this is even properly licensed, eg the NBA stuff. You can use fancy words about video clouds and aggregation but in reality we have pretty average site with some youtube videos.

Now I am an asshole for rubbishing what you've done, but the level of exaggeration is high, and all the false praise as though this is something revolutionary.......

As a general comment: I think the problem really is that the average .tv domainer who talks about development does nothing at all. Now we have someone who has done something, and actually got a user. Obviously that is miles ahead of most others, but it is still so very basic once you step out of the sphere of .tv domainers developing sites. I would describe it as a 1998 look and feel. I personally doubt this is going to take off, time will be the ultimate arbitrator of that though.

Hey Snoop,

"...all in all, your just another brick in the wall..."

Nobody here called you an a**hole on this forum but you in your own post blowing your own horn, and I don't consider you one, either.

You just don't "get it", that's all. Nothing to be ashamed of or beligerent about.

We appreciate your input and the more you post the clearer people reading it see the 20th century in you, and that is just a stone cold fact here.

Thanks for contributions as always and keep on keepin' on.

Peace out.

 

[snoop]

Nobody here called you an a**hole on this forum but you in your own post blowing your own horn, and I don't consider you one, either.

I didn't say anyone did, I said "Now I am an asshole for rubbishing what you've done, but the level of exaggeration is high, and all the false praise as though this is something revolutionary......."

ie what I've nice isn't a nice thing to say to someone who has built a site, but I see minimal value in what has been done, certainly it is not deserving of the applause it seem to be getting here, it is just a couple of steps up from what most here do after they speak of development. If their development efforts are 0/10 (ie do nothing) this is probably 3/10.

 

[freedom30]

ie what I've (said) isn't a nice thing to say to someone who has built a site, but I see minimal value in what has been done, certainly it is not deserving of the applause it seem to be getting here, it is just a couple of steps up from what most here do after they speak of development. If their development efforts are 0/10 (ie do nothing) this is probably 3/10.

...and I reiterate, the fox and the grapes...


One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour."
from The Fox and the Grapes an Aesop's Fable

You are 20th century to the max, bro.

"certainly it is not deserving of the applause it seem to be getting here"
I guess in the legend of your mind that you are...

ok, Doc, here goes:
clap, clap! Huzzah for Snoop! Hip, hip, huzzah!

 

[snoop]

"certainly it is not deserving of the applause it seem to be getting here"
I guess in the legend of your mind that you are...

My point is not that I can do better (I can't).

 

[Vito]

EyeDomainous,

Your Hotel concept is nothing short of brilliant.
Actually the idea seems very do-able even for me, lol
but your pitch, and follow thru are both truly inspirational.

Thank you for sharing what little you did share with us.

I wish you the best of luck on getting your idea/sites into the LA Hotel Association.
and if you need a Chicago connection to your Master Plan,
You can always count on Me and Freedom30!

PS,
Snoop, Just once can you come here into the .tv Forum and give someone a pat on the back.
EyeDomainous is actually doing something with .tv and giving us all...
not just a spark of his creativity, but a true flame up our A$$!

 

[snoop]

Snoop, Just once can you come here into the .tv Forum and give someone a pat on the back.
EyeDomainous is actually doing something with .tv and giving us all...
not just a spark of his creativity, but a true flame up our A$$!

Like I said, it is alot better than most, but hardly revolutionary and the claims being made are highly exaggerated.

It is very hard to pat someone on the back for something when it has been blown out of any sense of reality by the the owner and members here. eg I'm still waiting to hear about this ad network and wondering why in reality the site has adsense ads on it.

 

[eyedomainous]

Eyedomainous the questions remain much the same, where is the ad network and if there is one why is there adwords ads on the site? What is novel about youtube videos on a site (every second .tv domainer tries this and calls it development). If this has never been done in the hotel industry before then I would question still whether it is of any significance. What is so impressive about an RSS feed and some youtube videos? The only impressive thing is that a hotel is running it, the site itself is completely unimpressive.

Regarding the originality if it is just on youtube then the content value is zero, I'm not even sure if some of this is even properly licensed, eg the NBA stuff. You can use fancy words about video clouds and aggregation but in reality we have pretty average site with some youtube videos.

Now I am an asshole for rubbishing what you've done, but the level of exaggeration is high, and all the false praise as though this is something revolutionary.......

As a general comment: I think the problem really is that the average .tv domainer who talks about development does nothing at all. Now we have someone who has done something, and actually got a user. Obviously that is miles ahead of most others, but it is still so very basic once you step out of the sphere of .tv domainers developing sites. I would describe it as a 1998 look and feel. I personally doubt this is going to take off, time will be the ultimate arbitrator of that though.

--The Ad Network: You had to see the text ticker ads under the screen. As mentioned, this ticker is easy to duplicate under any TV player/screen in the network. The ticker is already on a number of sites in the network. And its ok to have more than one ad network on a site. AdSense pays less and is not clickable for viewers in hotels rooms... who can't see it anyway.

The tex ticker is an innovation, and thats not an exaggeration, because -amongst other things, for the first time local businesses can send text messages to tv screens in local hotel rooms while people are watching.

I could go on, and on, and deal with your "points", one-by-one, but it would not matter. Its like Obama talking to the tea party... there is no logical intersection in sight (actually there is... but not if you don't want to actually see what your looking at).

Certainly you understand radio stations don't produce music, they just 'package' and play it. That local TV stations aggregate the best programs they can buy to broadcast. That NamePros aggregates 'posts' about domain names that others produced and presents them in a manageable manner, to a targeted audience, that gives it its value. Yes, anybody can start a forum... and NP is not doing "anything original", and the forum has a "1998 look and feel"... but your here every day.

snoop, you can't see the forest... because you want to piss on the tree.

In a nutshell, LA Hotel TV is one site in the Field Guide TV network... the whole point of a field guide is to collect and present data from the field, with nice illustrations.

Hotel and visitors value actually seeing whats in the field, and, people and places in the field actually value being able to show & tell what they have to offer to city visitors.

I'm betting video field guides, especially ones that can incorporate live feeds and near real time text messages and show up on your hotel tv screen -as well as on your phone when your mobile, will find a place in the market. Whether or not I can do it, is a good question... not because the ideas are bad, but because I'm only one man and I can't do everything. But so far, so good.

If you look at the main site you will see the videos plotted on a map, complete with text and pictures to complete the listings. Users can comment, rate, follow categories by RSS, build a "mosaic" wall of there fav places, sign-up, upload videos, text and pictures. If this is "so very basic", and so 1998ish, that you "doubt this is going to take off". Perhaps you had all of this and full screen streaming video in 1998, or perhaps, like the tea party, your just looking at the cover and pissing on it.

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

--The Ad Network: You had to see the text ticker ads under the screen. As mentioned, this ticker is easy to duplicate under any TV player/screen in the network. The ticker is already on a number of sites in the network. And its ok to have more than one ad network on a site. AdSense pays less and is not clickable for viewers in hotels rooms... who can't see it anyway.

The tex ticker is an innovation, and thats not an exaggeration, because -amongst other things, for the first time local businesses can send text messages to tv screens in local hotel rooms while people are watching.

I could go on, and on, and deal with your "points", one-by-one, but it would not matter. Its like Obama talking to the tea party... there is no logical intersection in sight (actually there is... but not if you don't want to actually see what your looking at).

Certainly you understand radio stations don't produce music, they just 'package' and play it. That local TV stations aggregate the best programs they can buy to broadcast. That NamePros aggregates 'posts' about domain names that others produced and presents them in a manageable manner, to a targeted audience, that gives it its value. Yes, anybody can start a forum... and NP is not doing "anything original", and the forum has a "1998 look and feel"... but your here every day.

snoop, you can't see the forest... because you want to piss on the tree.

In a nutshell, LA Hotel TV is one site in the Field Guide TV network... the whole point of a field guide is to collect and present data from the field, with nice illustrations.

Hotel and visitors value actually seeing whats in the field, and, people and places in the field actually value being able to show & tell what they have to offer to city visitors.

I'm betting video field guides, especially ones that can incorporate live feeds and near real time text messages and show up on your hotel tv screen -as well as on your phone when your mobile, will find a place in the market. Whether or not I can do it, is a good question... not because the ideas are bad, but because I'm only one man and I can't do everything. But so far, so good.

If you look at the main site you will see the videos plotted on a map, complete with text and pictures to complete the listings. Users can comment, rate, follow categories by RSS, build a "mosaic" wall of there fav places, sign-up, upload videos, text and pictures. If this is "so very basic", and so 1998ish, that you "doubt this is going to take off". Perhaps you had all of this and full screen streaming video in 1998, or perhaps, like the tea party, your just looking at the cover and pissing on it.

C,
Seems like you took your game to the next level since we last spoke. I am impressed, and I don't say that often.

snoop, you can't see the forest... because you want to piss on the tree.

Genius.

 

[snoop]

--The Ad Network: You had to see the text ticker ads under the screen. As mentioned, this ticker is easy to duplicate under any TV player/screen in the network. The ticker is already on a number of sites in the network. And its ok to have more than one ad network on a site. AdSense pays less and is not clickable for viewers in hotels rooms... who can't see it anyway.

The tex ticker is an innovation, and thats not an exaggeration, because -amongst other things, for the first time local businesses can send text messages to tv screens in local hotel rooms while people are watching.

How does that make for an "ad network". It is a scrolling text bar which links to an email address. At best it is a very basic form of advertising. An "ad network" on the other hand acts as a middle man between between those who want to host advertising with those who want run advertising. I think an accurate description would be that you are selling advertising directly, not acting as an ad network.

Certainly you understand radio stations don't produce music, they just 'package' and play it.

Right, effectively they pay royalties to broadcast the music and monetize it with advertising, that is the business model - buy that high quality content and put ads in between it.

I did ask before but is the content (eg the NBA stuff) even licensed? Not that the NBA is going to be bothering suing you as opposed to youtube, but how many hotel chains will want to unlicensed content from some guy on youtube (whoever it was who uploaded it) streaming into their hotel rooms?

That NamePros aggregates 'posts' about domain names that others produced and presents them in a manageable manner, to a targeted audience, that gives it its value. Yes, anybody can start a forum... and NP is not doing "anything original", and the forum has a "1998 look and feel"... but your here every day.

Namepros doesn't aggregate posts like you are aggregating youtube content, the content here is created by users for the forum specifically. That is different to just rehashing the same content from youtube. Simply taking youtube content and sticking it on another site has no real value, it is duplicate content, anyone can do that. Trying to get people to post original commentry on a site or creating original content yourself is far more difficult, which is why it has value.

 

[MillersCrossing]

Snoop,

Whatever your feelings are about the content of the network, or whether you think it is a network in the first place, surely the bigger picture here is that ED managed to pitch and sell a very clever and original business model to a hotel/s in LA.

Some of the tech is pretty awesome as far as advertisers being able to upload their ads onto the ticker and that ED can control everything from anywhere in the world with a laptop.

Sure the look right now may look a little amateur, but ED now has an awfully big in to improving the quality and originality of the content and layout of the channel. Not everything can be done in one go.

If you look back at my original comment, i praised ED for his pitching and dealmaking skills more than what was actually on the channel. Cause in my mind, i think ED has mastered the most difficult elements of development - the originality of the idea, the execution of the idea, the potential of scaling this out to a whole other level and end users with very large pockets to support the business model.

The least important element right now is how the content looks right now.

Yes, if it remains static for the next 12 months or old fashioned so far as you tube is concrned and adsense it is a problem, but he has everything in place right now to concentrate on the development of the content to a more professsional standard.

In fact , i think this idea is a relatively easy pitch to angel investors if the amount needed to take it to the next level is less than 100,000k.

So, in that sense, i not only give ED kudos for showing everyone his hand with one of his development projects unlke others who show nothing, but also for the overall concept and dealmaking he has done to date on the project.

I think there is a lot of good work here that you can chew over rather than concentrate on the area which is the easiest part of the project to upgrade.

 

[freedom30]

Snoop,

Whatever your feelings are about the content of the network, or whether you think it is a network in the first place, surely the bigger picture here is that ED managed to pitch and sell a very clever and original business model to a hotel/s in LA.

Some of the tech is pretty awesome as far as advertisers being able to upload their ads onto the ticker and that ED can control everything from anywhere in the world with a laptop.

Sure the look right now may look a little amateur, but ED now has an awfully big in to improving the quality and originality of the content and layout of the channel. Not everything can be done in one go.

If you look back at my original comment, i praised ED for his pitching and dealmaking skills more than what was actually on the channel. Cause in my mind, i think ED has mastered the most difficult elements of development - the originality of the idea, the execution of the idea, the potential of scaling this out to a whole other level and end users with very large pockets to support the business model.

The least important element right now is how the content looks right now.

Yes, if it remains static for the next 12 months or old fashioned so far as you tube is concrned and adsense it is a problem, but he has everything in place right now to concentrate on the development of the content to a more professsional standard.

In fact , i think this idea is a relatively easy pitch to angel investors if the amount needed to take it to the next level is less than 100,000k.

So, in that sense, i not only give ED kudos for showing everyone his hand with one of his development projects unlke others who show nothing, but also for the overall concept and dealmaking he has done to date on the project.

I think there is a lot of good work here that you can chew over rather than concentrate on the area which is the easiest part of the project to upgrade.

10-4, Millsey! You covered it.

Snoop's apparent inherent fear of the 21st century and his reaction to it is failing to stifle the progress being made by members here and it gives inspiration and resolve for many here to focus on the possibilities that exist for other venues. Thinking outside the box helps us keep up with the technologies involved.

Hey Benzy! ... and the ollo concept is looking better everyday to boot!

 

[benzdorf]

:talk: >> I need about 3 more dayz ( freedom ) and then im letten loose..
dam browser issueZ..
considering ollotv is tv from the future; "now" and smuggled back in time, i should be ahead of the game sooner than later..
how ever im still trying to figure out the chicken before the egg senerio..
If any wants a prview; u can check out my progress on ollotv.com for now..

 

[freedom30]

:talk: >> I need about 3 more dayz ( freedom ) and then im letten loose..
dam browser issueZ..
considering ollotv is tv from the future; "now" and smuggled back in time, i should be ahead of the game sooner than later..
how ever im still trying to figure out the chicken before the egg senerio..
If any wants a prview; u can check out my progress on ollotv.com for now..

Benzy, Benzy, Benzy!

There are those that choose to remain in the past, those that are content to stay in the present and those of us that understand what the future has to offer, I do not have to tell you where you are in that equation, Benzy...and you're just getting your feet wet!

Thanx for the sneak preview. This is a great innovative concept and it begins to show just how many ideas the 21st century is allowing us to utilize with its technology.

 

[benzdorf]

After spendeing endless amounts of cash-olla on web-monkeyZ and never getting it how I wanted,

I figured Id take advantage of my 4 month vactaion and start building things my self..

So together with the information presented to me by this time traveler guy I ran into in a dive bar some where in New Jersey, im weaving to together the future of TV..

The time traveler guy told me that in the future' even non earthlings watch ollo and find the anticts of early 20th and 21st century humans to be very eye catching and interesting.

SO THATS THE OLLO STORY FROM THE GET GO, AND IM STICKEN TOO IT !:wave:

 

[Kate]

Snoop's apparent inherent fear of the 21st century and his reaction to it is failing to stifle the progress being made by members here

There are those that choose to remain in the past, those that are content to stay in the present and those of us that understand what the future has to offer, I do not have to tell you where you are in that equation, Benzy...and you're just getting your feet wet!

Interesting that you seem to depict .tv as the 'future'.

If I have to project myself into the future, I would logically favor an extension that is predictable, not one that is unregulated and at the whim of its master

 

[freedom30]

Interesting that you seem to depict .tv as the 'future'.

If I have to project myself into the future, I would logically favor an extension that is predictable, not one that is unregulated and at the whim of its master

I made those statements on the forum but I was actually inferring the technologies that are available for ALL extensions, to be sure, tv included.

And if you had actually read the posts by eyes and benzy, the sites are NOT a .tv site, so what's with the tears, big guy?
Dry yer eyes and enjoy the day!

 

[benzdorf]

Let me clarifie,

I know you all are gonna think ive gone off the deep end..

However in lite of the fact ive been visted by green glowing orbz of lite that penitraded my Brooklyn NY's flats windows..and the information that was conveyed to me was interesting to say the least; im holden on to all my dotTV's thats for sure....

Now back to ollo,( the universal moving image archive system) though out the galaxy ollo TV is found in many forms and is located on the "uww" < ( universal wide web )using dffrent methods, here on earth one can find ollo TV both with the .tv & tv.com extention.

Im told that in the near future that a small Island in the Pacific ocean, will become the broadcast king of planet earth...

Im sure you all will look back in 26 years and say to your self.." Holy carp, that benzdorf cat was right" ollo TV is was TV from the future ..then..

If your confused so am I, this space time continueum stuff is mind boggling.

But in order for the future to hold true, it must be done..

 

[freedom30]

Let me clarifie,

I know you all are gonna think ive gone off the deep end..

However in lite of the fact ive been visted by green glowing orbz of lite that penitraded my Brooklyn NY's flats windows..and the information that was conveyed to me was interesting to say the least; im holden on to all my dotTV's thats for sure....

Now back to ollo,( the universal moving image archive system) though out the galaxy ollo TV is found in many forms and is located on the "uww" < ( universal wide web )using dffrent methods, here on earth one can find ollo TV both with the .tv & tv.com extention.

Im told that in the near future that a small Island in the Pacific ocean, will become the broadcast king of planet earth...

Im sure you all will look back in 26 years and say to your self.." Holy carp, that benzdorf cat was right" ollo TV is was TV from the future ..then..

If your confused so am I, this space time continueum stuff is mind boggling.

But in order for the future to hold true, it must be done..

What a plethora of truly interesting characters we have here on the .tv board!

We got Don Quixote, Dr. Snoopmund Freud, Chicken Little, Fox and the grapes and now we are treated to

Benzy Rogers of the 23rd century!​

...and he comes with a UNIVERSAL interpreter so I don't even need to translate what has been divulged to him from the future's future!

Good job, Benzy, you make us all understand that it better to ride with your ass forward, not backward.

Thanx again, my space friend!

 

[Jeff]

Interesting thread ... while still trying to figure out the whole "TV network" of YouTube™ videos serving hotels in the future, etc., I'm sure it was a realization of sorts for that poster; and while the extension is pretty much languishing (in both general adoption/recognition and under the massive oppression of its Registry) - kudos should be given to those that develop and promote their niche ".TV" domains / websites. :gl: :imho:

All the best,
Jeff

 

[freedom30]

Interesting thread ... while still trying to figure out the whole "TV network" of YouTube™ videos serving hotels in the future, etc., I'm sure it was a realization of sorts for that poster; and while the extension is pretty much languishing (in both general adoption/recognition and under the massive oppression of its Registry) - kudos should be given to those that develop and promote their niche ".TV" domains / websites. :gl: :imho:

All the best,
Jeff

...a backhanded compliment, but a compliment, nonetheless.

Qool! :P