.tv Having your .tv realization moment...

[snoop]

A little story:

I remember when I was in my teens, in the early nineties, I was a huge Amiga fan. I used to buy all the magazines (probably spent $50 a month), oodled at the machines in the shops, think about buying every add on out there and would recommend the machine to friends. I was a fanatic, a one eyed supporter, loyal.

Around 1992-1993 I decided it was time to upgrade from my Amiga 500, a great machine but I wanted something better. If I remember rightly I was going to spent something like $1500 on a new Amiga 1200, it had a 20mb hard drive, I think was about 15mhz and 2 gb of ram. The machine wasn’t cheap and addons were somewhat limited and pricey. I was getting very close to buying one and living that dream was about to head to the shop. I was flicking through the computer section of the local newspaper. At that time you could get a 25mghz 486sx with 4mb of ram and a 80mb hard drive for about the same price.

That is when I had my realization moment.

“I’m getting less than half the machine for the same price”
“Wtf am I doing?”

Because I am a fan of something I’d buy a machine that most sane people would consider outdated and overpriced? Is that rational?

That was when I decided my misplaced sense of loyalty was costing me money and it was time to ditch that loyalty. The Amiga isn’t my best friend, my brother or an employer who has helped me out, it is freaking piece of machinery!

I headed out to the local shop and bought a PC, I never regretted it though to this day I still check out some of the Amiga sites online.

So the question is, how much is your loyalty to .tv costing your hip pocket? Are you making bad financial decision for emotional reasons? Do you see yourself as an unpaid .tv ambassador?

Reg fees at least double, poor performing tld, after 10 years it never quite turned out as expected….hmm is this the Amiga of the domain world?

 

[snoop]

The 'power' comes from networking TV domains together, creating our own ad network, and leveraging videos 'in the cloud' to fill a need. Like software as a service (SAAS), this would be TV as a service.

Why would any of that be a good idea?

An ad network for .tv domains? - Why, people haven't heard of Google adwords?

Networking .tv domains together? again, why?

Tv as a service? Huh? most of the people on this forum haven't progressed passed parking pages and MFA sites (me included).

"Leveraging videos 'in the cloud'" - Whatever the heck that it is sounds impressive, but how is that going to result in people visiting someones .tv domain? See the point above about most not getting beyong park pages and MFA.

 

[eyedomainous]

I dont think there is any similarity at all between what TT accomplished and what RR tried to do.

Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt the novel thing Turner did was ask the cable operators to pay a fee per local subscriber for carrying CNN? Basically he was asking for a cut of what the local user was paying them. And the precedent that set remains largely in place today. Licensing fees that cable operators pay to non-broadcast commercial and premium programmers must run into the billions. As far as splittng ad revenues I belive this sometimes happens in the form of making some portion of the ad slots available to the operator. Its my understanding that few cable networks actually do this and that many smaller operators dont use them at all even when they do since they are the ones who have to sell this time.

In any case what RR was asking a bunch of domain owners and resellers to do was purchase .tv names thru him and then use those names to create sites that ultimately resolved to ChannelMe. If it was such a great idea then why did he need us? Couldnt he just as easily invested his own money and bought the same names himself? Nope, not only did he want others to buy .tv domains but we also would have had to spend our own resources, time and effort to create attractive sites using his content and all for the promise of a relative pittence of possible revenue while he walked off with the lions share and possible another billion dollar public offering.

Gee, now who wouldnt be thrilled at a deal like that?

The TV domain / TV station analogy only goes so far. The point here is... online or off TV networking and content distribution are vital to the value of a TV property.

And of course DM wanted people to buy me.tv domains... but they were'nt paying $50 for them -it was $20 or $25, and they Owned them. The idea was linking them together would make them more valuable -as a group -thereby becoming more attractive to advertisers. And considering that FaceBook, MySpace etc. are not giving ANY cut of the advertising rev to users, and users don't Own their domain/page... yet they still "spend (their) own resources, time and effort to create attractive sites". Now I bet there would be a lot of takers, on FB or MS, if users could pay $25 to get a cut of the ad rev and own their page/domain (in their chosen name).

Same story on the DM content model... like the song says "G'damn-it, Compared to what!" Its easy to whine but compare it to the vast majority of writers and producers on the web that are producibg content for no pay and giving it away. My point was its a system that works... producing original content and paying people for it. I would love to have that content feed piped into a .TV network... and in so doing increase the value of the domains -while being paid a, yes small, cut of the ad rev. But you would'nt because what we got now is so much better.

 

[eyedomainous]

Why would any of that be a good idea?

An ad network for .tv domains? - Why, people haven't heard of Google adwords?

Networking .tv domains together? again, why?

Tv as a service? Huh? most of the people on this forum haven't progressed passed parking pages and MFA sites (me included).

"Leveraging videos 'in the cloud'" - Whatever the heck that it is sounds impressive, but how is that going to result in people visiting someones .tv domain? See the point above about most not getting beyong park pages and MFA.

All these things, though in a very early stage, are working for me. Though reluctant to show my hand, the best way to understand what I'm talking about is to show what I'm talking about. At least a part of what I'm developing... at the 'local network' level.

LA Hotel TV

--Leverages videos in the (YouTube) "cloud" to service a need in the LA Hotel & Tourism industry. The stream includes the best mix of UGC and professionally produced videos; some aggregated, some we produced for pay clients.

--I pitched the channel to the Sheraton hotel, in downtown LA, and now, through some technical innovations, have a 24/7 - 365 dedicated channel (38) on their in-room (cable) tv system.

--The channel also has a "Simulcast Network" of sites. Most all the pages are simple landing pages designed to simply serve... with a tv screen and a contextual RSS feed. LA Hotel TV serves the LA "hotel shopping" audience with the best deals and news about some events. These sites are very easy to duplicate and maintain.

--I created my own Ad network via a Text crawl that runs under the screen. Again, very easy to duplicate.

These are the basics. Now try to imagine this type of TV network serving hotels around the world.

The site has been up and operational for 3 months and its success has lead to a meeting with the LA Hotel Owners Association, who are interested in rolling out the 'LA Field Guide TV Network' to serve all hotels in downtown LA.

Note: I will likely remove the link in a couple days. Just wanted to show what I was talking about because these are innovations, so there is no point of reference.

 

[equity78]

Looks great Claude, finally something real to look at and discuss instead of just pontificating about somewhere down the road. Love the look of the site. Now if I was in a hotel room in the Sheraton, I would see the whole site or just the youtube video playing and the scrolling text ?

 

[Ammudamus]

James,
I am not one to engage in conversations of these nature, but am not sure what triggered you to get upset. Either way, I have never had dealings with you or engaged in enough conversation to say anything about you. I would appreciate if you would reciprocate. My discussions with Kevin have nothing to do with you.

Best,
A

I agree huge amount of traffic is subjective. I should have clarified that I was referring to the .tv community and those interested in .tv. Within the .tv community, i think we were getting pretty good traffic. Thanks for clarifying.

You may not have got a yes from Quinn, I DID. After a while and nothing happened, I phoned again and this time she said she just needs to get it checked off with the powers that be. And from then on I felt i was getting the run around. I am not sure how you are able to be so difinitive that she never said yes, when you were not on that phone call I had with her???......

I never said I was familiar with everything DM did for the marketing at the time, nor are you or anyone else. PLEASE DONT MISQUOTE ME. I said (I felt like) we were doing more. If one of the primary target markets for .tv were domainers who were interested in investing in and developing of .tv domains, not hearing about anything DM were doing for .tv is enough to suggest that they were not doing too much of anything at all.

In fact to this day, I still dont know what they did for marketing?? Maybe someone can fill me in....but I have no idea. Watch.Tv of Verisign I have heard about more or less as soon as it went public, cause its pretty easy to hear about the marketing of an area in which you have an interest. - yet nothing in the three years since DM took over did I hear anything other than the NEGATIVE remarks that came from the totally ridiculous premium pricing that DM had hiked up by 100 to 1000% ++

She was gracious enough to get you a VIP pass. WOW!! Who was doing who a favor?? IMHO - u were doing her the favor cause she was looking for favorable & FREE press release. The fact that you thought that her giving you a press pass amounts to anything more than free publicity sounds like you felt overwhelmed at the "GENEROSITY" of it all...

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I think just about every single failed domainer comes to that conclusion - that its domaining rather than domainers who have failed miserably...

I actually also find this chat on alalthings.tv to be rather revealing: there is lots I didn't realise about Kevin and his good "friend" Ammadammus and I have a new hater (my dear friend Joel Williams) who thank god will move his pump and dump attempts to fresh new pastures on their forum too!! Do these guys have a clue that their chat is available for all to see - I have been reading it for quite a while now - very amusing stuff - here's to days asslicking...

[08:02] Kevin No idea.
[08:02] Kevin Its a little pricey but not for all
[08:03] Kevin I may need to go get ready
[08:03] Kevin I will try to login in a few hours with my air card
[21:36] Ammudamus Are you around?
[07:06] Kevin checking in
[07:32] Ammudamus you there?
[07:33] Ammudamus did you have a chance to read the posts on MMO
[07:39] Kevin not yet
[07:49] Ammudamus definitely check it out when you get a chance
[07:49] Ammudamus how is everything going?
[07:49] Ammudamus your name got mentioned on namepros.
[07:50] Ammudamus by james -- former partner --
[07:51] Kevin I am stepping out to run a few errands. Sent a PM here and on MMO and responded to a few threads there.
[07:51] Ammudamus ok
[07:51] Ammudamus you are a busy man
[07:52] Ammudamus i have this sense
[07:52] Ammudamus that you and I are going to be working together for a long time --- gut instinct.
[07:54] Kevin I just found the post in which James mentioned me. It is funny how he views that past because I don't recall that his run for embassador was stopped by the "most insane re-pricing of .tv premiums ". In fact, if I recall, he was pretty darn close at
[07:54] Kevin getting some position with Demand Media
[07:54] Kevin When that didn't go through, things began to fall apart
[07:55] Kevin His opinion of dot tv didn't change then either.
[07:55] Kevin But its interesting to see that he is back in action on namepros. More people means more entertainment!
[08:12] Kevin u there?
[11:10] Kevin this is classic, "The New Married Couple of Dot TV"
[12:12] Ammudamus The register link above doesnt work.
[12:51] Kevin should now
[06:19] Kevin checking inthis morning
[07:47] Ammudamus yep i am here
[06:29] Kevin in

 

[MillersCrossing]

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[Ammudamus]

James,
Totally agree that this topic needs to be put to rest. Need to make sure a few things are clear:

1.A comment made by you about Kevin doesn't warrant any problems. Just informative.
2.Mr. Rhee made a comment on Allthings.tv? Where was that? Did I miss something?
3.The married couple has no reference to you and Snoop. Don't make misguided assumptions and conclusions.

Thank you,
A

[07:49] Ammudamus your name got mentioned on namepros.
[07:50] Ammudamus by james -- former partner --
[07:54] Kevin I just found the post in which James mentioned me. It is funny how he views that past because I don't recall that his run for embassador was stopped by the "most insane re-pricing of .tv premiums ". In fact, if I recall, he was pretty darn close at
[07:54] Kevin getting some position with Demand Media
[07:54] Kevin When that didn't go through, things began to fall apart
[07:55] Kevin His opinion of dot tv didn't change then either.
[07:55] Kevin But its interesting to see that he is back in action on namepros. More people means more entertainment!
[08:12] Kevin u there?
[11:10] Kevin this is classic, "The New Married Couple of Dot TV"

Please read above and repeat that your discussion had nothing to do with me.

If I could read that on your index page, so could all the increased traffic (that Kevin had asserted earlier in the thread) could read it.

It is quite obvious from the above that the two of you were gloating over the NamePro discussion thread .."more people means more entertainment/this is a classic "The New Married Couple of Dot TV....

Furthermore it is quite clear that you play the role of moderator on the forum, Yet along comes Rhee and launches into a hatchet job of a personal attack on me and neither you nor Kevin state once, that someone can spew his venom out on the site against me without a "sorry , we do not want personal attacks on this site"- or anything close to that......

So your discussion with Kevin had everything to do with poking fun at me and NP and Snoop (married couple)

do me a favor - please do not reply - I really want to bring closure to this . I have seen and read enough to know what some people's agendas are and good luck to them , to you and anyone else that wants to think that way.

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I agree 100%. with "Finally"

I take my hat off to you ED. Most impressive is your deal making and pitching to end users. You know showing your hand a little bit has done a whole lot to prove that there are a few who actually can develop and for it to actually be seen.

Fantastic stuff!!

 

[MrRhee]

Furthermore it is quite clear that you play the role of moderator on the forum, Yet along comes Rhee and launches into a hatchet job of a personal attack on me and neither you nor Kevin state once, that someone can spew his venom out on the site against me without a "sorry , we do not want personal attacks on this site"- or anything close to that......

(bolding above added by me for emphasis)

Once again I am accused of something I play no role in... by someone who is spiraling out of control. I've quoted you above for future use and for all to see that I am being attacked and libeled by James Barclay posting as MillersCrossing. Recently, NamePro's allowed you to be re-instated only to have you causing havoc and disrupting their site by harassing other members in various threads. Under the guise of account name "SpiderSpider", you and another anonymous user "redbat" attacked me personally and attempted to tarnish my reputation and livelihood. Once you got your acct MillersCrossing re-instated, you had no idea that your posts as SpiderSpider would be merged into your MillersCrossing account. It would be in your best interest, James Barclay, to curb your attacks on other people before you drag more people into this smear campaign you're on.

This will end one way or another.

 

[MillersCrossing]

James,
Totally agree that this topic needs to be put to rest. Need to make sure a few things are clear:
2.Mr. Rhee made a comment on Allthings.tv? Where was that? Did I miss something?

The Various Characters in the Namepros .TV Circus - Dot TV, Development, and Strategy on AllThings.tv

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This will end one way or another.

This century or the next?

Please Joel Williams, do what you will do, but enough with the threats.

Action speaks louder than all your stealth mode BS

I look forward to your attorney's letter, or your hitmans bullets....

 

[eyedomainous]

Looks great Claude, finally something real to look at and discuss instead of just pontificating about somewhere down the road. Love the look of the site. Now if I was in a hotel room in the Sheraton, I would see the whole site or just the youtube video playing and the scrolling text ?

Thanks, Equity.

And yes, people see just the video player(s) on-screen in their hotel rooms. I say "screens" because sometimes I switch-out the screen... using LiveStream when I have a live feed from venues (the "Live Guide" aspect shows what's actually going on at a club, restaurant, etc.), sometimes I switch to live feeds from the field, and sometimes I fill the screen with a tv program, live or recorded, from another website. I control the hotel channel remotely from my home).

 

[equity78]

WOW, you are way above anyone else from a development IQ that I have spoken too. Controlled remotely from your home, that is cool.

 

[Michelle]

Why do these threads all end up personal

 

[eyedomainous]

I agree 100%. with "Finally"

I take my hat off to you ED. Most impressive is your deal making and pitching to end users. You know showing your hand a little bit has done a whole lot to prove that there are a few who actually can develop and for it to actually be seen.

Fantastic stuff!!

Thanks, Millers.

I felt I had to show something, even though its in the early stages. Simply talking about this would sound too "pie in the sky-ish".

 

[freedom30]

Thanks, Equity.

And yes, people see just the video player(s) on-screen in their hotel rooms. I say "screens" because sometimes I switch-out the screen... using LiveStream when I have a live feed from venues (the "Live Guide" aspect shows what's actually going on at a club, restaurant, etc.), sometimes I switch to live feeds from the field, and sometimes I fill the screen with a tv program, live or recorded, from another website. I control the hotel channel remotely from my home).

...that is sooo 21st century, eyes! You are on the top of your game. Thank you so much for pushing the envelope to the next level for us here. I knew that there were many more alternatives present than we had a decade ago, we just have to catch up with them.

 

[snoop]

All these things, though in a very early stage, are working for me. Though reluctant to show my hand, the best way to understand what I'm talking about is to show what I'm talking about. At least a part of what I'm developing... at the 'local network' level.

LA Hotel TV

--Leverages videos in the (YouTube) "cloud" to service a need in the LA Hotel & Tourism industry. The stream includes the best mix of UGC and professionally produced videos; some aggregated, some we produced for pay clients.

--I pitched the channel to the Sheraton hotel, in downtown LA, and now, through some technical innovations, have a 24/7 - 365 dedicated channel (38) on their in-room (cable) tv system.

--The channel also has a "Simulcast Network" of sites. Most all the pages are simple landing pages designed to simply serve... with a tv screen and a contextual RSS feed. LA Hotel TV serves the LA "hotel shopping" audience with the best deals and news about some events. These sites are very easy to duplicate and maintain.

--I created my own Ad network via a Text crawl that runs under the screen. Again, very easy to duplicate.

These are the basics. Now try to imagine this type of TV network serving hotels around the world.

The site has been up and operational for 3 months and its success has lead to a meeting with the LA Hotel Owners Association, who are interested in rolling out the 'LA Field Guide TV Network' to serve all hotels in downtown LA.

Note: I will likely remove the link in a couple days. Just wanted to show what I was talking about because these are innovations, so there is no point of reference.

It looks to me like a pretty typical domainer type site with some youtube videos, I don't really see how the site stacks up to the claims being made. If you have you own ad network why it is showing adwords ads?

It sounds good that one hotel is running it though I don't really follow why they'd run something that is just bunch of youtube videos.

 

[freedom30]

It looks to me like a pretty typical domainer type site with some youtube videos, I don't really see how the site stacks up to the claims being made. If you have you own ad network why it is showing adwords ads?

It sounds good that one hotel is running it though I don't really follow why they'd run something that is just bunch of youtube videos.

...you seem so blind against progress that techno-evolution appears to be passing you up. It's all good, though. Stay where your comfort level is the highest and enjoy life!

I don't really see how the site stacks up to the claims being made.
At least you have the temerity to admit it...being a domainer with 20th century values can have its drawbacks, I guess.

 

[snoop]

...you are so blind against progress that techno-evolution appears to be passing you up. It's all good, though. Stay where your comfort level is the highest and enjoy life!

I don't see how this is an "evolution", the site is very basic, the content appears to be a bunch of youtube videos rather than something original.

 

[freedom30]

I don't see how this is an "evolution", the site is very basic, the content appears to be a bunch of youtube videos rather than something original.

...like the fox and the grapes.

One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour."
from The Fox and the Grapes an Aesop's Fable

 

[eyedomainous]

...that is sooo 21st century, eyes! You are on the top of your game. Thank you so much for pushing the envelope to the next level for us here. I knew that there were many more alternatives present than we had a decade ago, we just have to catch up with them.

Thanks freedom.

Yep, the online media tool shed just keeps expanding. Part of our job is to find ways to use them to make our domains better... for visitors, ourselves and ultimately, the web.

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It looks to me like a pretty typical domainer type site with some youtube videos, I don't really see how the site stacks up to the claims being made. If you have you own ad network why it is showing adwords ads?

It sounds good that one hotel is running it though I don't really follow why they'd run something that is just bunch of youtube videos.

Thanks for the look, snoop.

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I don't see how this is an "evolution", the site is very basic, the content appears to be a bunch of youtube videos rather than something original.

snoop, its clear you don't "get it" because you don't want to get it --because if you 'got it' you would have to stop pissing on things, and pissing on things is your 'mark', after all ... you are snoop. Your a dog.:D

1). Certainly being the first website to power a hotel tv channel is an evolution.

2). Of course the site is "very basic" because all that shows in the hotel is the video player. What purpose would a complicated site serve?

2a). "Hotel shoppers" / travelers looking to come to LA simply want to know the best hotel deals and maybe some info on events. The RSS feed does that.

3). The hotels themselves have have full-on complicated tourism websites for travelers. Why would I want to step on my clients toes?

4). LA Hotel TV fills a need by aggregating and presenting videos from all hotels along with vids from travelers, venues, businesses, organizations, organizations and locals.

5). YouTube is the mother of all video aggregators. Nothing else can get the job done. To suggest that because a video is on YT its not original is dumb. Or, if your suggesting that I make "original" videos on behalf of travelers, venues, businesses, organizations, organizations and locals, that is even more dumb... hence the term User Generated Content.

6). Our "Live Guide" segments are also a first and it is original content. And we do produce videos for clients.

7). Someone just mowed their lawn, and they're happy with it. Why don't you do what you do-do best and go do your "business" over there).:notme:

-eye-

 

[snoop]

Eyedomainous the questions remain much the same, where is the ad network and if there is one why is there adwords ads on the site? What is novel about youtube videos on a site (every second .tv domainer tries this and calls it development). If this has never been done in the hotel industry before then I would question still whether it is of any significance. What is so impressive about an RSS feed and some youtube videos? The only impressive thing is that a hotel is running it, the site itself is completely unimpressive.

Regarding the originality if it is just on youtube then the content value is zero, I'm not even sure if some of this is even properly licensed, eg the NBA stuff. You can use fancy words about video clouds and aggregation but in reality we have pretty average site with some youtube videos.

Now I am an asshole for rubbishing what you've done, but the level of exaggeration is high, and all the false praise as though this is something revolutionary.......

As a general comment: I think the problem really is that the average .tv domainer who talks about development does nothing at all. Now we have someone who has done something, and actually got a user. Obviously that is miles ahead of most others, but it is still so very basic once you step out of the sphere of .tv domainers developing sites. I would describe it as a 1998 look and feel. I personally doubt this is going to take off, time will be the ultimate arbitrator of that though.