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Here is a great example, issued from a generic email address, and in usual GoDaddy etiquette, lacking even the courtesy of a contact name or a signature for such an important landmark event. This is how they notify Epik – two hours after the election was called for Joe Biden – that they will be terminating fast transfer inclusions over Afternic for any of Epik’s current and future registrar customers. Can you say anticompetitive behavior from a group in massive need of antitrust oversight as a monopoly? Epik can, and it is added to a rapidly growing list of unthinkable market behaviors that will be accounted for.


https://www.epik.com/blog/afternic
 
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I have a lot of domains at Epik and have been happy with everything except for the backwards policy that if you sell an external domain in the Epik marketplace the seller has to pay for the transfer, that should be more like nameliquidate where the buyer pays.

Due to the flexibility of their payment plans I was able to cashflow and was creating a plan based just on those options. I have also been pleased with the fast transfer from Afternic and was pretty miffed with this news of separation.

But I am extremely upset at the crap I just read in that rant. I am a professional nurse, and although I now work as a nurse educator, I have taken care of sick and dying clients on vents etc. I am well connected with nurses taking care of patients with Covid-19. I have a graduate level education including courses related to public health & epidemiology. Covid-19 is no conspiracy and no joke, when I read that someone is tying there business troubles into a conspiracy theory that suggest best practices to break the chain of transmission of a virus on track to kill over 300,000 people on the USA is a plan to keep people from rioting, all I can say is, Why the hell would I do business with that company?

I try to stay out of personal controversies and deal with my own plans and goals, but these conspiracy theories are killing a lot of people and if you want to believe them go a head, but don’t tell me that is why Godaddy is cutting you off.
 
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GoDaddy is not a monopoly. Just because a company is big, doesn't mean it is a monopoly.

You can get the same services they offer from domains to hosting via any number of other providers.

If anything Verisign and other registries are the monopolies. They are the only provider of specific extensions.

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It seems GoDaddy refers to Sections 11 and 23 of the Premium Promotion Agreement. I wonder what they state.
Without having read the Premium Promotional Agreement <<based off assumption>> it looks like <<Sections 11 and 23 are more so related to the agreement termination process>>, opposed to a scenario where Epik was in violation of sections 11 and 23.

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Notice the following paragraph mentions:

Pursuant to Section 12: within ten (10) business days, Epik is to cease use of all Afternic Services...

Pursuant to Section(s) 9 and 17: Epik must refrain from issuing any press release or similar publicly statement...

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Lastly, who is "I"

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I seems to be an anonymous company coward employed to filter away any cordial accountability process.

kipe: Who wrote the letter?
yddadog: I wrote the letter.
kipe: Who is I?
yddadog: I am Karen.
kipe: Karen wrote the letter?
yddadog: Yes, blame Karen.
kipe: Who is Karen?
yddadog: Karen is the fictitious name we use when customers question who I am.
kipe: Why?
yddadog: Because you can't hold Karen accountable.
kipe: OK, so is the notice of termination fake like Karen?
yddadog: @Joe Styler & @Paul Nicks -- The first rule of Karen, there is no Karen?

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

By the end of the termination notice, I had turned into Us

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and Us can apparently be reached via email at [email protected].

So what happens next?

Is Epik supposed to email [email protected] and ask for "I" or "Us" to discuss recourse?

Sincerely,
Me
 
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True, but I also wouldn't be blaming George Soros and Hunter Biden either. :)

Brad

I have never understood the bringing in politics or other nonsense. Stick to the facts about your business. Because that's what customers care about, 99% don't want to hear anyone's politics.
 
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This situation saddens me, both because of the impact on Epik and also that for a significant number of domain investors they now have fewer options. I don't know if there is any chance to salvage this, but if so, I am pretty sure the approach in the blog post is not optimum. Yes, there are issues of over-concentration in the tech field, and at some point regulatory forces may intervene. I know some feel strongly about the controls on sharing of certain types of (mis)information, but by trying to ascribe motives and bringing in unrelated, or peripherally related, points of contention in American politics and society, it just makes any chance of a resolution remote.

Epik have no reason to listen to me, but here is my advice. Instead, I would advise keep the message simple: say something like we have worked with you for many years with advantages to us both. The domainers we serve prefer to have the option of fast transfer and premium network coverage, and they also like the industry-leading landers, great pricing, innovation and personal attention possible at a smaller registrar like Epik. Let's try in an unemotional way to work this out, to the advantage of both Afternic/GoDaddy and Epik, and domain investors. Tell us what you need changed to preserve our agreement.

I agree with what @DomainBanana said above - nice summary of what Epik do very well.
I have appreciated Epik's innovation and attention to the domaining community and hope they can resolve this and other incidents in a professional way.

If this breakdown is truly final, then I hope Epik will use their innovative and nimble approach to make up for the loss of the Afternic premium coverage through other competitive advantages they can offer to domain investors, perhaps exploring new partnerships. Put your energies into that.

Perhaps it is just too soon, but I would hope that both companies will directly inform clients. Many domain investors are significantly impacted by this decision. I am a customer of both Epik and Afternic, but neither have informed me in any way. The optimist in me hopes that is because, perhaps, if cool heads prevail, there still is some slight hope to salvage this before it takes effect early in 2021. I hope so.

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Maybe GoDaddy didn't appreciate Epik constantly attacking them.

Maybe they didn't appreciate being dragged into their dispute with Paypal, which had nothing to do with them.

Or, maybe it was the doxxing of employee information in a completely irrelevant manner.

Maybe it was another reason, who knows.

Either way, since Rob and Epik are such a proponent of free speech, it cuts both ways.
GoDaddy is a private company and can choose who they want to do business with.

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Epik really needs a new PR team that can focus on the actual issues, and not turn everything into political rants and conspiracy theories.

Brad
 
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No offense, but Epik has been parading that award around like it means a lot more that it does.
They won with a smaller margin than employees that voted for them.

It doesn't really mean much.

Paypal ditched them. GoDaddy ditched them.
That actually matters.

They are still ranting about politics, monopolies, conspiracy theories, etc.

At this point it is like an irrelevant participation trophy. No one cares.

Brad

Oh I don't think the Namepros award means much so no offense taken. Let's keep it real there are few that are objective, I know I am, most are either people who hate and I am using the word hate, Epik or they hate GoDaddy.

I like managing domain names on Epik better than GoDaddy ( I use both)

I despise mentions of politics, religion, conspiracy, it makes me look to leave a business because I never wanted to hear my Mother and Father's political views I sure as hell don't want to hear a domain registrar's management.

I believe GoDaddy can drop whoever they like, I think there should be a reason why they dropped them. So as a client of both I understand why they are potentially negatively affecting my business.
 
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I don't think GoDaddy can publicly disclose the details of this matter. No way.

However, Epik is probably free to share the details but isn't ready to. I'm sure they are aware of this thread.

For me, I don't need the details. I don't need the reason this happened. I just need to focus on what's best for my business. If I find the lack of PP and Fast Transfer to be too much, I'll just transfer my domains elsewhere. No hard feelings, just business. I can still wish the best for Epik but protect my business.

Four pages of posts on this thread and there is nothing to debate. Paypal terminated Epik. GoDaddy terminated Epik. There are already registrars that don't have fast transfer or paypal. I guess Epik goes in that category and people can decide to use them or not.

I am a bit surprised at how Epik shares these matters publicly and shares their responses publicy, yet customers don't get a simple professional email saying, "Good News, Epik Just Got More Secure!...blah, blah, blah" or something like that.

I hope Epik works things out with Paypal, GoDaddy and whoever else they feel are "out to get them". :)
 
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We need to support and continue our loyalty and patronage to EPIK.com. First it was PayPal and now Godaddy which is distancing away from Epik.com. I am sure, these architected boycott will only make EPIK.com more stronger and outperform in domain industry. We all hope soon PayPal and Godaddy will restore their services to EPIK.com @Rob Monster
 
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The loss of Afternic is unfortunate but Epik's response:


Is in itself enough to justify the loss of Afternic and it discourages me from doing further business with the company.

The letter is loaded with irrational, inflammatory rhetoric and contains a great deal of conjecture and some flat out lies.

Epik continues to be its own worst enemy. The registrar is running itself into the ground with these regular public tantrums.

Please, @epik : Grow up. Exercise some self-control and conduct yourself with integrity and professionalism.

That's the problem lately, from all participants we need to know the reason why. Transparency. Like @bmugford mentioned no mention of any political party or world figure.

99% of Domain investors don't care they care about their business getting messed with.
 
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Bob this decision was not made just by GoDaddy. It was dictated to them from an external position through their legal department, and then handed to their executive team for implementation. It blindsided dozens of individuals at GoDaddy who were equally confused, because many actually cherished their relationship with Epik. The reality is – GoDaddy is no longer operated in principal by the people you believe are in control. By the time you finally discern I am telling the truth, then more of your liberties will be stripped away, as a world you will not recognize takes shape and form.

There is much being coordinated, and even in the case of NameBio and PayPal – where people felt the urge to repeatedly applaud their calm and rational demeanor – it was designed as a short term exercise simply to provide cover to the massive overreach against Epik. Even when we were forced to eventually contact the FTC, PayPal responded by running 195 articles against Epik within 24 hours. You should ask yourself who in this country carries this type of power. We’ve provided the documents and links to help educate yourself and others, so we can move past speculative opinion going forward if anyone wants to have a real conversation about what is at stake. The trails are easily discernible by anyone who chooses to see, or that does not exist here solely to reduce the most vulnerable parts of the perceptions shared in good faith into analytical essays on what is wrong with Epik and Rob Davis.

Your optimism for reconciliation is beautiful. Both Dan Schulman and Aman Bhutani have Rob Monster’s phone number. As does Leah Sweet, and the individuals at the SPLC. The difficulty here is that even with past city takeovers, buildings set on fire, assassinations, brutal attacks, mass service deplatforming, hospitals barricaded, stay-at-home orders to quash rebellions, tactical insertions of COVID testing to raise numbers for control, and atrocities too many to list - people do not want to hear the truth. They have become polarized by horrific influences well past any form of truth or positive objectivity. Many still do not realize the relativity of all this to Epik. They have no idea the degree of investments made in global Content Distribution Networks, or the resiliency platforms developed to hold lines I hope and pray you never have to know fully exist. In part, the challenge here is not that Rob or others have a “messiah complex”, it is that through their humility and love for others, they naturally treat everyone on a peer level, in complete authentic truth without judgement or expectation of counter hate. The trolls take that genuine accessibility and privilege, and pervert it into something no longer recognizable. Hate for the sake of hatred as part of their own self-made identity. I feel bad for them, but this community has been twisted into something is barely recognizable from what it could become.

Even as for many, their worlds are crumbling about them. That is well before you get into a real-world view, as Epik is positioned in some thirty countries, and works tirelessly to bring new options and technologies into underserved regions. Some with hardships beyond anything most forum users here could ever fathom, and Epik stays active in helping however we can wherever we can. Whether that is sending resources for food, adapting workplaces to avoid murder in the street, and yes – even lending money to hardship cases and struggling domain investors who had every dollar they possessed wrapped up in their PayPal account. There are a billion people who would give everything they have just to trade spots with many here for one singular day. Until you have been forced on your knees praying in thankfulness for running water, a blanket, clean air to breathe, or a roof to sleep under, it is hard to understand.

It is disturbing how people of privilege take so much for granted, as the armchair chants to “stay in our lane” overwhelm any real desire or effort to pursue truth. One day you should grab a calculator and a list of share sales over the past ten years, and see for yourself what Google, GoDaddy, Twitter, Facebook, Apple, PayPal and Amazon have truly stripped from this country and its opportunities. No public relations firm or legal group was able to prevent their monopolies or injustice. No non-“bizarre” approach strategy worked for the millions of people negatively impacted. Suddenly elitists are concerned with poor people and free education. The very same people making these pledges are the ones who already ripped trillions of dollars out of the system. Trust me when I say – they are coming for the rest. Unused yachts, broken hookers, and a sudden trend for changes in citizenship “just in case”, as a tool to avoid unwanted extradition processes that might now be right down the road.

Thank God for Epik, the services it empowers, the platforms and people it protects, and the line it helps hold and defend. When Wikimedia/Wikipedia/SPLC helped orchestrate and run the first 500 news pieces branding us as racists and white nationalists, that should have been a clue for many with the capacity to pay attention. Maybe also ask the question on what exactly their own alliances could be hiding. Unless your very existence and future capacity to feed yourself rests from just rolling over and accepting the brutal nature of the system. Many may find real regrets in their past choices over these coming months.

Just please don’t forget – when groups like PayPal deplatform thousands of people, and a company like GoDaddy simply eliminates upsides for financial prosperity covering potentially millions of names with no notice – they do this at a time when most of the world is still locked down and looking for the money to pay their bills! They know very well the added hardships it creates in places where $300 can be the difference between feeding their kids, or keeping their lights on. You should all know I share the truth on this. These decisions are purpose-built and designed to create more ripples of hardship.

But even now, there are at least three individuals even within this own thread that have relationships with GoDaddy they have never declared. You see them tear Epik apart every day, yet there is seemingly little courage left amongst the negative peer pressure to be heroic. Thousands of attack posts, constantly shifting the line tactically, or flooding comments out to bury truth bombs that are identified as problematic. Which is okay. Live your lives as you deem fit. Tell us to fire staff. To stay in our “own lane”. To hire lawyers and PR firms. To not be bizarre, weird, or unpredictable. Criticize every element, and be quick as well to dictate what our own rights and options here for how we choose to communicate. But don’t complain when the line moves, and suddenly common sense isn’t so common anymore. Or do complain if it suits you, as we are not here to tell you how to live your lives. Only to reaffirm that hate for personal enjoyment serves no one, and our world is reeling from these types of personal choices.

You might want to observe that five or six companies, built on the diminishment of the antitrust divisions of the past administration, have stripped literally trillions of dollars out of this country in the past decade. You know the arrogance GoDaddy continually displays in its planning and market execution. A small child can look at PayPal’s twitter comments, and see that they are stealing and seizing the money of thousands of targeted individuals with no backlash from the FTC or DOJ. Bloomberg on any given day will run two to three pieces telling everyone in the US to not worry about China’s monetary influence over America. Our politicians can be seen wrecking trade deals and opportunities for decades, then be elected on their magical basis to somehow now correct them. We have evolved into a country where that is all it seemingly takes to neutralize a sleepy public. A bit of anger. Lots of trolls and division. A sense of tribalism and intentional separation I never thought I would witness. There are thousands of industries being subdued, each with its own set of positioned trolls that exist simply to bring others down.

Social media has empowered a billion people to believe their opinions on every subject under the planet need to be heard at any cost. When they don’t have anything intelligent to add, they tend to sink into depression and hate, and then eventually you have a million people wondering the street lost and confused. Since we seem to be near universally devoid of any real world leadership that has not already been bought and sold, I would encourage the brilliant minds here to read. Discover. Communicate. Look past the conditioned rhetoric and realize that the chains may be real, but there is still much that can be done to break them. There are some great people in this community, and I am thankful for each of you.

For those of you impacted by PayPal’s decision to terminate services, please know that we are sorry for the inconveniences, and working towards new solutions. You can see an early copy of the update and announcement going out to our customers over the next few days who have used PayPal in the past. I hope it provides additional clarifications. This particular online version as well has additional links for those who are not aware of the actions and activities over this past month.

www.truthishere.com


Have a blessed day, and thank you as always for the encouragements and support.

-RD
I most likely do not have the intellect to go through each point raised here.....nor the time or inclination to do so....

But as a customer of Epik these self righteous rants make me wonder why the hell I am using your services.....sick and tired of having to read this type of crap to be honest

Your last paragraph would of be perfectly fine by itself, but then you use a domain name to further push your Holier than though attitude.....

I do want a debate, I am not pushing any agenda, I am just giving you feedback as a customer of yours

I am also putting you personally on ignore so I do not have to read anymore of your tripe.....
 
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After a long discussion from the domain investor community, rather than listen to everyone who has spoken out nearly in unison about the damage Epik does to itself with its long and irrational diatribes, Epik is still stone deaf to all the feedback and throws up another piece of garbage for everyone to suffer through.

I feel we are collectively trying to send a message here to stop Epik from self-destructing.

Sadly, it appears no words can get through.

Every time I see these long, irrelevant, unhinged rants it reminds me of this meme...

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What are Sedo MLS, Afternic, and EPIK eactly offering and what exactly is going on ???
I'm not working for Epik anymore, I'll try to make this answer as neutral as possible :)

Basically, MLS stands for "Multiple listing service" so when you list a domain on Afternic MLS or Sedo MLS your domains appear on many domain registrars directly and if it sells, you don't have to worry about the transfer, it's done automatically for you.
Epik was banned by Afternic from their platform, within weeks, it won't be possible to list domains at Epik on Afternic MLS (with fast transfer), only standard listings. And these get less visibility (less registrars show these standard listings)

what have Godaddy, Namesilo and DDOT for role in the discussion at hand
GoDaddy owns Afternic. And Namesilo & Dynadot both have Afternic MLS and Sedo MLS (to list names, but also buy them, both directions possible)

and how has that to do anything with the election of Joe Biden as new president of the US ?
When companies get into politics, it can get difficult to follow. I can't really explain that part as I don't think it should have ever been politicized. I know they supported the side that "lost the election" but that's it.

And DAN.com : Can somebody explain how this can be used to "pay somebody even if you have no PayPapalacccount running for the moment
If you have a credit card (not linked to a banned paypal account), you can likely pay there with your credit card using paypal, but not the wisest decision for them as they may loose a bit on fees

Good luck with paypal though, the best tip about that is to never leave money there and always withdraw to your linked bank account
 
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GoDaddy is not a monopoly. Just because a company is big, doesn't mean it is a monopoly.

You can get the same services they offer from domains to hosting via any number of other providers.

If anything Verisign and other registries are the monopolies. They are the only provider of specific extensions.

Brad

True and their pricing does not make it impossible for others to compete it actually opens the door.

I would like to see greater transparency, a reason why. This does not affect Epik only but customers many who also have accounts with GoDaddy.

It seems many in this industry are cool with no transparency when it's directed at a company they don't like. But if they get banned look out a million posts here and on Twitter demanding answers.

#TransparencyForAll
 
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Maybe GoDaddy didn't appreciate Epik constantly attacking them.

Maybe they didn't appreciate being dragged into their dispute with Paypal, which had nothing to do with them.

Or, maybe it was the doxxing of employee information in a completely irrelevant manner, who knows.

Either way, since Rob and Epik are such a proponent of free speech, it cuts both ways.
GoDaddy is a private company and can choose who they want to do business with.

Brad

Everyone can choose to do business with who they like Brad, but reasons need to be given. I am pretty sure if Namepros and Afternic said Hey Mugford you are out, banned from using our websites. You would want a reason, and I don't think you would be quiet if no reason given.
 
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It's the Godaddy way.

Let's not forget NL has consistently run thousands of liquidations daily for almost a year (time flies!) and a good portion of those are Godaddy's free lunch money going back to domainers instead. I'm sure they have their reasons to segregate a portion of their own customers, ultimately that's all they did. But it matters to say, Godaddy doesn't need "domain investor sales." They have an ocean of end-users, whom Godaddy regularly abuses by flipping their expired domains. Turning off Epik's domain investors is likely a negligible loss in terms of their overall operations.

I urge domainers to go their own way, test test and test some more. Don't depend on one distribution channel because it could easily be turned off in an instant for something you said or something someone disagrees with. Real change is coming to this industry, albeit slowly, but we make progress every day.

Personally, I never liked Afternic. No loss here. If you feel at a loss, perhaps it's time to ask why you are giving away so much of the inherent leverage your domains have, to a company that won't flinch when they shut off your lights.

Stay frosty!
 
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they will be terminating fast transfer inclusions over Afternic for any of Epik’s current and future registrar customers.

As I mentioned in another thread I was giving afternic a try with several of my better names and had an inquiry/offer pretty quickly.

I have asked for interaction 4 times regarding the negotiations and they have yet to answer any questions in over a week. I will send a link shortly to the person wanting the name...mid xxxx...where they can purchase the name directly from me. Since afternic has gone ghost, I get to pocket the commission as I would not give the buyer a discount (they are familiar with afternic fees). In my mind the afternic team would have been better than the 'regular' godaddy brokers, but it seems not to be true. I had hoped the uni integration would bring some top talent to the game but it seems not.

So, poor pitiful me is going back to selling my own names like I have done for the last 20+ years. Actually, having had these less than stellar experiences with godaddy and afternic, I think I will start my own broker service.

We have to recognize that with the acquisition of the uni block of names, godaddy does not need us (so they seem to think) for the short term. They have plenty of names to 'drop' so income will be strong for a while to come. A reseller/broker solution does not seem to matter to them too much right now.

Additionally, since godaddy started their partial privacy, I've regged a couple of hundred names there (in addition to the 1-10 names I buy daily from auction) and planned to leave them all there. But since they are pulling this stunt with epik without letting me (and those with epik names in their system) know directly about their rejection, I will be moving those names to other registrars as time permits.

I hate bullies.
 
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IMO, Epik got noticed for the wrong reasons. Out of all the registrars in the industry, Epik gets cancelled by two heavyweights. I don't think it is because these two giants were threatened. I think somehow Epik violated some terms.

Anyway, I think Epik needs an attorney on staff to protect the company from making mistakes and making bad decisions. This should not have happened. For Epik customers sake, they must take greater care of the legal aspects of their business.

What a shame.
 
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Bob this decision was not made just by GoDaddy. It was dictated to them from an external position through their legal department, and then handed to their executive team for implementation. It blindsided dozens of individuals at GoDaddy who were equally confused, because many actually cherished their relationship with Epik. The reality is – GoDaddy is no longer operated in principal by the people you believe are in control. By the time you finally discern I am telling the truth, then more of your liberties will be stripped away, as a world you will not recognize takes shape and form.

There is much being coordinated, and even in the case of NameBio and PayPal – where people felt the urge to repeatedly applaud their calm and rational demeanor – it was designed as a short term exercise simply to provide cover to the massive overreach against Epik. Even when we were forced to eventually contact the FTC, PayPal responded by running 195 articles against Epik within 24 hours. You should ask yourself who in this country carries this type of power. We’ve provided the documents and links to help educate yourself and others, so we can move past speculative opinion going forward if anyone wants to have a real conversation about what is at stake. The trails are easily discernible by anyone who chooses to see, or that does not exist here solely to reduce the most vulnerable parts of the perceptions shared in good faith into analytical essays on what is wrong with Epik and Rob Davis.

Your optimism for reconciliation is beautiful. Both Dan Schulman and Aman Bhutani have Rob Monster’s phone number. As does Leah Sweet, and the individuals at the SPLC. The difficulty here is that even with past city takeovers, buildings set on fire, assassinations, brutal attacks, mass service deplatforming, hospitals barricaded, stay-at-home orders to quash rebellions, tactical insertions of COVID testing to raise numbers for control, and atrocities too many to list - people do not want to hear the truth. They have become polarized by horrific influences well past any form of truth or positive objectivity. Many still do not realize the relativity of all this to Epik. They have no idea the degree of investments made in global Content Distribution Networks, or the resiliency platforms developed to hold lines I hope and pray you never have to know fully exist. In part, the challenge here is not that Rob or others have a “messiah complex”, it is that through their humility and love for others, they naturally treat everyone on a peer level, in complete authentic truth without judgement or expectation of counter hate. The trolls take that genuine accessibility and privilege, and pervert it into something no longer recognizable. Hate for the sake of hatred as part of their own self-made identity. I feel bad for them, but this community has been twisted into something is barely recognizable from what it could become.

Even as for many, their worlds are crumbling about them. That is well before you get into a real-world view, as Epik is positioned in some thirty countries, and works tirelessly to bring new options and technologies into underserved regions. Some with hardships beyond anything most forum users here could ever fathom, and Epik stays active in helping however we can wherever we can. Whether that is sending resources for food, adapting workplaces to avoid murder in the street, and yes – even lending money to hardship cases and struggling domain investors who had every dollar they possessed wrapped up in their PayPal account. There are a billion people who would give everything they have just to trade spots with many here for one singular day. Until you have been forced on your knees praying in thankfulness for running water, a blanket, clean air to breathe, or a roof to sleep under, it is hard to understand.

It is disturbing how people of privilege take so much for granted, as the armchair chants to “stay in our lane” overwhelm any real desire or effort to pursue truth. One day you should grab a calculator and a list of share sales over the past ten years, and see for yourself what Google, GoDaddy, Twitter, Facebook, Apple, PayPal and Amazon have truly stripped from this country and its opportunities. No public relations firm or legal group was able to prevent their monopolies or injustice. No non-“bizarre” approach strategy worked for the millions of people negatively impacted. Suddenly elitists are concerned with poor people and free education. The very same people making these pledges are the ones who already ripped trillions of dollars out of the system. Trust me when I say – they are coming for the rest. Unused yachts, broken hookers, and a sudden trend for changes in citizenship “just in case”, as a tool to avoid unwanted extradition processes that might now be right down the road.

Thank God for Epik, the services it empowers, the platforms and people it protects, and the line it helps hold and defend. When Wikimedia/Wikipedia/SPLC helped orchestrate and run the first 500 news pieces branding us as racists and white nationalists, that should have been a clue for many with the capacity to pay attention. Maybe also ask the question on what exactly their own alliances could be hiding. Unless your very existence and future capacity to feed yourself rests from just rolling over and accepting the brutal nature of the system. Many may find real regrets in their past choices over these coming months.

Just please don’t forget – when groups like PayPal deplatform thousands of people, and a company like GoDaddy simply eliminates upsides for financial prosperity covering potentially millions of names with no notice – they do this at a time when most of the world is still locked down and looking for the money to pay their bills! They know very well the added hardships it creates in places where $300 can be the difference between feeding their kids, or keeping their lights on. You should all know I share the truth on this. These decisions are purpose-built and designed to create more ripples of hardship.

But even now, there are at least three individuals even within this own thread that have relationships with GoDaddy they have never declared. You see them tear Epik apart every day, yet there is seemingly little courage left amongst the negative peer pressure to be heroic. Thousands of attack posts, constantly shifting the line tactically, or flooding comments out to bury truth bombs that are identified as problematic. Which is okay. Live your lives as you deem fit. Tell us to fire staff. To stay in our “own lane”. To hire lawyers and PR firms. To not be bizarre, weird, or unpredictable. Criticize every element, and be quick as well to dictate what our own rights and options here for how we choose to communicate. But don’t complain when the line moves, and suddenly common sense isn’t so common anymore. Or do complain if it suits you, as we are not here to tell you how to live your lives. Only to reaffirm that hate for personal enjoyment serves no one, and our world is reeling from these types of personal choices.

You might want to observe that five or six companies, built on the diminishment of the antitrust divisions of the past administration, have stripped literally trillions of dollars out of this country in the past decade. You know the arrogance GoDaddy continually displays in its planning and market execution. A small child can look at PayPal’s twitter comments, and see that they are stealing and seizing the money of thousands of targeted individuals with no backlash from the FTC or DOJ. Bloomberg on any given day will run two to three pieces telling everyone in the US to not worry about China’s monetary influence over America. Our politicians can be seen wrecking trade deals and opportunities for decades, then be elected on their magical basis to somehow now correct them. We have evolved into a country where that is all it seemingly takes to neutralize a sleepy public. A bit of anger. Lots of trolls and division. A sense of tribalism and intentional separation I never thought I would witness. There are thousands of industries being subdued, each with its own set of positioned trolls that exist simply to bring others down.

Social media has empowered a billion people to believe their opinions on every subject under the planet need to be heard at any cost. When they don’t have anything intelligent to add, they tend to sink into depression and hate, and then eventually you have a million people wondering the street lost and confused. Since we seem to be near universally devoid of any real world leadership that has not already been bought and sold, I would encourage the brilliant minds here to read. Discover. Communicate. Look past the conditioned rhetoric and realize that the chains may be real, but there is still much that can be done to break them. There are some great people in this community, and I am thankful for each of you.

For those of you impacted by PayPal’s decision to terminate services, please know that we are sorry for the inconveniences, and working towards new solutions. You can see an early copy of the update and announcement going out to our customers over the next few days who have used PayPal in the past. I hope it provides additional clarifications. This particular online version as well has additional links for those who are not aware of the actions and activities over this past month.

www.truthishere.com


Have a blessed day, and thank you as always for the encouragements and support.

-RD

In light of this and your employment, I find it a bit odd that GoDaddy is your preferred registrar:

Domain Name: INTELLINAME.COM
Registry Domain ID: 9785230_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2020-07-12T21:08:04Z
Creation Date: 1999-09-03T18:34:12Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2021-09-03T18:34:12Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited
Registrant Organization: Intelliname
Registrant State/Province: Illinois
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=INTELLINAME.COM
Admin Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=INTELLINAME.COM
Tech Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=INTELLINAME.COM
Name Server: NS-US.1AND1-DNS.COM
Name Server: NS-US.1AND1-DNS.US
Name Server: NS-US.1AND1-DNS.DE
Name Server: NS-US.1AND1-DNS.ORG
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
 

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Fast Transfer is a good thing. Last month I had a sale that happened through Afternic FT with a domain that was at Epik. It was super quick and I am sure the buyer was happy because I was since I didnt have to deal with transfers and such. Looking where the buyer bought the name or where he is from, there is no way he searched Godaddy or Afternic for the name. It was on his preferred registrar. Anyways, FT is good and I wish all registrars had it.

FT is a very good feature for added exposure. While most of my sales are via Afternic/GoDaddy directly, there is still a substantial amount of FT sales via other registrars.

Many of these FT sales are people that would have not been likely to even find the domain otherwise.
I just sold one today for low 5 figures via Afternic FT.

Brad
 
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way to pick on the little guy; You have 80M dns
Epik doesnt even have 1M domains; typical.

# NoDaddy picking on the little guy.

Epik has been taking shots at GoDaddy for quite some time now. Let's not pretend that Epik is a glass house here.

Frankly, I'm surprised GoDaddy/Afternic didn't exercise their right to refuse service at any number of Epiks past blunders. I mean, you don't shit on somebody's carpet, and later ask why you weren't invited over for dinner? Or do you? I guess everything is/can-be situation dependent.

Other domain industry companies have had issues with Epik, seemingly more publicly frequent since the onboarding of Epiks new senior VP of strategy and communication.

Back to point:
  • It appears one side <GoDaddy> is reserving the right not to do business with <Epik>.
    Similar to how Dan banned Sav.
  • While the other side <Epik> might be eying an even bigger payday ahead if they can prove anticompetitive/monopolistic behavior on GoDaddys behalf...?
 
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The loss of Afternic is unfortunate but Epik's response:


Is in itself enough to justify the loss of Afternic and it discourages me from doing further business with the company.

The letter is loaded with irrational, inflammatory rhetoric and contains a great deal of conjecture and some flat out lies.

Epik continues to be its own worst enemy. The registrar is running itself into the ground with these regular public tantrums.

Please, @epik : Grow up. Exercise some self-control and conduct yourself with integrity and professionalism.
 
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I have never understood the bringing in politics or other nonsense. Stick to the facts about your business. Because that's what customers care about, 99% don't want to hear anyone's politics.

I would like to add that international users generally have no idea what is going on politically.

We don't know and generally don't want to get tied up in diverse and partisan national politics.

Sort your own issues out internally and don't drag everyone outside into the mess.
 
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