GoDaddy takes control of a domain 42 days after expiry

[Earthian]

I had a domain at GoDaddy

it expired , but 60 days later I wanted to renew it even with the $80 redemption fee

well , it appears that I can't ... according to a customer service agent and his supervisor




I used to think that the cycle is 0-45 grace , 30 redemption , 5 days delete

it appears that after the 42nd day from expiry ...

GoDaddy can either delete the domain , which then goes through the 30+5 days registry redemption+delete cycle

... OR ...

transfer it to someone else

does the new owner have to wait 42 + 30 days to get control ?




point is ... the domain is lost ... already re-assigned to someone else ... and not retrievable according to the supervisor

so if you decide to renew a domain at GoDaddy , make up your mind before the 42nd (unless it is NOT bidded/sold through GoDaddy auctions , in which case it gets deleted and through the 30+5 days registry redemption+delete cycle)


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[Ms Domainer]

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If you don't redeem the domain by day 45, Godaddy releases it to the auction winner (an auction starts on day 25 after expiration); if no one has bought it at auction or BIN, then Godaddy deletes the name from the registry on day 75 or 76 after expiration.

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[lennco]

I used to think that the cycle is 0-45 grace , 30 redemption , 5 days delete

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It still is, IF nobody buys the name at auction or closeout..

It wouldn't be right to take it away after day 45 from the new owner who bought it at auction, the new owner may have also sold it quickly to someone else so to try and take it back after day 45 would just be a nightmare.
I have sold domains just days after taking ownership.

So if you let a name expire but you still want to renew it then keep an eye on the auctions and see is your name gets bought, you still have a few days after the auction closes to renew it.

 

[Earthian]

but the redemption period was made specifically so as to retrieve expired domains



the way the GoDaddy auction system works , my domain did not even get to registry redemption period (let alone deletion)


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[Jasonn]

but the redemption period was made specifically so as to retrieve expired domains



the way the GoDaddy auction system works , my domain did not even get to registry redemption period (let alone deletion)


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every auction house that sells 'pre-release' domains where they keep their age do this. they never enter redemption.

 

[Earthian]

every auction house that sells 'pre-release' domains where they keep their age do this. they never enter redemption.

I know what you mean ... but the way pre-release ayctions are ... don't they "supplant" the ICANN redemption procedure ?


I wonna redeem it and I can't ... since it did not even go through registry redemption


seems like , after the 42nd , GoDaddy uses the domain as its own ... even though the registration is in my name and the domain did not go through the regular registry redemption procedure so as to lose it to anyone (even my registrar)


I wonder about the legality of the ToS incorporating this ... and about their conformity with the ICANN/VeriSign rules ... not only with the "letter" but also with the "spirit of the law" ... which is to be able to retrieve your domain


for the original registrant it feels like GoDaddy (and possibly other pre-release registrars) are intertwining the Grace period with the Registry Redemption period , so as to sell / auction a domain faster

I thought I heard of stories of retrieving a domain it after pre-release auction ... through what procedure though ? does it depend on registrar ? does it require legal pressure ?

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[mis_chiff]

The 42 day rule is posted in their things people never read [found it purely by accident ]
http://support.godaddy.com/help/art...s-for-handling-expired-domain-names?locale=en

For expired .com, .net, .org, .info, .biz, .us, .ws, .name, .cc, .mobi, .me, or .tv domain name registrations, we hold your domain name for approximately 42 days before canceling it. Domain name renewal during this period is subject to applicable renewal and redemption fees. For more information, see What happens after domain names expire? and Recovering Expired Domain Names.

 

[Earthian]

The 42 day rule is posted in their things people never read [found it purely by accident ]
http://support.godaddy.com/help/art...s-for-handling-expired-domain-names?locale=en

mis_spliff ... I have read many versions of the ToS lol


back in the day , they used to need to pry the domain from your dead cold hands after 75 days :lol:


now they just sell it to someone else on the 42nd ... without even going through registry redemption or deletion

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[mis_chiff]

mis_spliff ...
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hehe

I've read a few, but must have missed that part - don't remember seeing it before :gl:

 

[Earthian]

mis_spliff

hehe

:D






you did not miss it ... it changed from earlier versions of the ToS

the snipet from support is also in the current ToS

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[Ms Domainer]

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Earthian, It's pretty much anything goes these days.

ICANN has turned a blind eye to the strange registrar TOS: varying release dates, warehousing of premium domains (conflict of interest), etc.

see also

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name...activation-period-enom-one-busy-domainer.html

Some day, the hammer will come down, but, for now, it's the Wild, Wild West of the internet.

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[Earthian]

Earthian,

thanks , interesting thread

Kate summed it up nicely

Basically, the TOS are written in such a way that by not renewing your domains you are effectively abandoning ownership to them. Ditto for other registrars.

The Icann redemption process does not really apply to quality domains. When the process was devised a decade ago, registrars weren't still in the habit of keeping and selling the assets of their clients. But they have realized a long time ago that there is money to be made and that blindlly dropping domains is flushing money down the toilet.

some years back domains went through the full 75 day cycle to drop ... until registrars realized there were money to be made and now they basically own the domain right after Grace period (without Redemption period)

but is this legal ? and according to ICANN rules ? and again according to the "spirit" of the ICANN rules (to make a domain retrievable)

registrars basically "override" the redemption period ... so as to sell faster

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[Aggro]

LOL

The only reason why someone wouldn't renew the domain @ $8.67 - even up to 18 days after the expiry date - is b/c like most 'marginal domainers', they're sht broke or facing severe cash flow problems..

Most marginal domainers are 1 or 2 (missed) sales away from having to pawn their a - the equivalent of living paycheck to paycheck like Joe 6-pack

:lol:

 

[Earthian]

LOL

The only reason why someone wouldn't renew the domain @ $8.67 - even up to 18 days after the expiry date - is b/c like most 'marginal domainers', they're sht broke or facing severe cash flow problems..

Most marginal domainers are 1 or 2 (missed) sales away from having to pawn their a - the equivalent of living paycheck to paycheck like Joe 6-pack

:lol:

actually it is just a case of deciding not to renew a domain (because I have a similar one which is actually better) ... but later on changing my mind and seeing that there is no functional redemption period (even though I was ready to pay for the 80)


oh and something else ... I am a casual domainer ... not a pro or a marginal one


don't take this the wrong way >>> why do you have to "shout" all the time ?

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[Dave_Z]

now they just sell it to someone else on the 42nd ... without even going through registry redemption or deletion​

Only if someone makes a bid for that domain name, though. While ICANN says registrars have up to 45 days to keep expired domain names, it doesn't explicitly ban them from auction off one (or doing anything to it) before it falls into redemption period onwards.

Historically, redemption period is intended to address accidental (and/or unintended) deletions. I suppose ICANN could ban registrars from doing auction services for expired domain names, though: a) I don't know how many of you are willing to wait the full wait after, and b) it won't stop others with more material resources from re-registering fully dropping domain names.

It's essentially a matter of understanding (and realistically expecting) how the system works.

 

[Earthian]

Only if someone makes a bid for that domain name, though. While ICANN says registrars have up to 45 days to keep expired domain names, it doesn't explicitly ban them from auction off one (or doing anything to it) before it falls into redemption period onwards.

Historically, redemption period is intended to address accidental (and/or unintended) deletions. I suppose ICANN could ban registrars from doing auction services for expired domain names, though: a) I don't know how many of you are willing to wait the full wait after, and b) it won't stop others with more material resources from re-registering fully dropping domain names.

It's essentially a matter of understanding (and realistically expecting) how the system works.

I understand what you mean ... but I think that since the redemption period is in effect , it should also be effective


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[Dave_Z]

I understand what you mean ... but I think that since the redemption period is in effect , it should also be effective


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Meaning that registrars "should" let expired domain names go into redemption if not renewed on time? Or how do you mean exactly?

On the side, I just read of some new expiration policies. I'll post that in a separate thread for a separate discussion.

 

[Earthian]

Meaning that registrars "should" let expired domain names go into redemption if not renewed on time? Or how do you mean exactly?

On the side, I just read of some new expiration policies. I'll post that in a separate thread for a separate discussion.

I mean that ... whichever procedure is in effect ... should be functional


I don't mind if it is a 10-day grace and then a 10-day redemption (with fee) as long as it is clearly explained and working


people can arrange their dealings if they have enough information


I will check your thread , thanks

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