Extention Value %'s compared to Com

[Kenny]

Hello Mods & Mems,

A few years back I started a thread:
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/47611-value-ranges-between-and.html

There were some decent answers in that thread, most informative to me at the time was ZestyDomains*coms post concering 3LLL's.

I want to see if we can get enough input this time around for a clear and concise graph.
I'll use the same two formats I used in the first post and lets see where this ends up.

Please value each of the following names:

money.com
money.net
money.org
money.info
money.biz
money.us
money.* <<< you pick

or

Maybe this:

Let's say a DN with the .com= 100%
the same DN with the .net= ?%
.org=?%
.biz=?%
.info=?%
.us=?%
.ws=?%
.cc
.tv
.in
etc....

Pick what you know best, you dont have to valuate them all, and of course everyone will have their own opinions so lets not argue who is right, we will let the median tell the story.

Sound like fun to you? It sure does to me!

Cy

 

[irishmat]

hasnt chinese sold recently in alot of extensions, we could use that as some good proof of %s

i'll try and dig up the figures...


here goes

Chinese.net $180,000 2007-08-08 Sedo
Chinese.info $37,111 2007-08-08 Sedo
Chinese.com $1,120,008 2007-07-25 Sedo
chinese.fr $516 2007-01-05 Sedo

so from those
.net is 16% of .com
.info is 3.3% of .com

not really fair to compare the .fr in there because of the difference in time

im sure i have seen chinese.mobi get sold recently aswell

 

[champ_rock]

money.com - 100%
money.net - 20%
money.org - 5$
money.info - 2.5%
money.biz - 2.5%
money.us - 3%
money.X- depends on teh TLD. for example, .cn and .in are much more valuable than .pk
(this is my personal view point. no data has been taken into consideration)


money.*

 

[ilcesco]

Obviously it depends on the name, because some names makes more sense in an extension rather than in another one. Genrally speaking, for a generic english one-word domain, I would say that:

*.com 100%
*.net 30%
*.org 15%
*.info 6%
*.biz 3%
*.us 3%
*.tv 0-2% (depending if the name have something to do with TV)
*.pro 1%

 

[namewaiter]

if you look at the following graph (.com, .net, .org) a few years back (your original question was in 2004) .com and .net ran neck and neck in regards to google trends...

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.com,+.net,+.org&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

today, .com continues to rise, while .net and .org are running steady courses.

now, looking at the 'newer' extensions (.tv, .us, .info, .biz, .mobi)...

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.mobi,+.us,+.info,+.biz,+.tv&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

is it safe to assume that .tv is more relevant than the other newer extensions, at least according to google trends? i think so.

so i'd say...

.com 100%
.net 13%
.org 10%
.tv 7-8%*
.mobi 5%*
.info 3%
.us 3%
.biz 2%

i feel .tv and .mobi are carving out very specific niches, whereas certain domains can command very high relevancy prices in comparison to their .com countpart: ringtones.mobi, videos.tv, news.tv, news.mobi etc.. not sure what would be an ideal fit keyword for the others?

 

[Spade]

com - 100%
net - 15%
org - 11%
tv - 6%
info - 6%
biz - 2%
us - 2%
mobi - 1%

 

[zestydomains*com]

Cy and All,

According to the most recent numbers for 3 letter .com domains, here's the results:

.com = 100%
.net = 18.8%
.org = 6.4%
.info = 3.4%
.biz = 1.8%
.us = 2.1%

This same comparison with NNN domains yields:

.com = 100%
.net = 16.3%
.org = 5.8%
.info = 3.3%
.biz = 1.9%
.us = 2.3%

Source: 3character.com price guide (August 1, 2007 minimum wholesale prices, MWP)

As you can see, the variances are fairly similar when comparing LLL and NNN domains.

I think it is a safe bet to say that .com valuations will always drive the wholesale market for most all the extensions. Some possible exceptions might be a small few of the larger country code extensions, where local extension recognition may be a trump card in their valuations.

Some extensions also have their "flavor of the month" valuations that can fluctuate wildly and temporarily against the .com of any particular domain composition. This said, in general the numbers above can also be applied also to non 3 character domain compositions and not be too far off in value too. These valuations comparisons for the extensions also tend to remain fairly consistent over long periods of time (though .com does seem to continue to grow slightly more and more stronger against the entire field of other extension contenders over time, but this growth is very subtle).

Great and very informative thread!
zesty

 

[snoop]

Cy and All,

According to the most recent numbers for 3 letter .com domains, here's the results:

This doesn't apply well to keyword names.

For keyword names I would say,

.com = 100%
.net = 3-4%
.org = 2-3%
.info = .25-1%
.biz = .07-.3%
.us = .15-.7%

Of course there will be exceptions (outliers), like the chinese.* example.

For acronym names I would say what Zesty has posted is a very good guide.

Some examples from where sales have taken place around the same time,

Locals.com 250,000
Locals.org $9,100

Medicine.org $80,000
Medicine.info $25,000

League.com $48,000
League.info $637

Compra.com - $200,000
Compra.info -$1,000

Freecellphones.com $60,426
Freecellphones.info $165

Casino.com -$5.5 million
Casino.info -$20899

Huge.com $106,050
Huge.net $3,800

Sex.com $12-14M
Sex.net $454,500

Chinese.com $1,120,008
Chinese.net $180,000
Chinese.info $37,111

 

[Gene]

.com 100%
.net 17%
.org 10%
.tv 5%
.mobi 3%
.info 5%
.us 4%
.biz 1%

 

[equity78]

.com 100%
.net 12%
.org 10%
.tv 5%
.mobi 1%
.info 5%
.us 4%
.biz 1%

 

[Coastalguy]

.com...100%
.net...19%
.org...15%
.info...9%
.tv...9%
.mobi...6%
.us...5%
.biz...2%

I had no problem ranking them but that percentage stuff was a little more difficult.

ST

 

[onewordonly]

My guess is this:
.com...100%
.net...30% (only if a one word dictionary name or something really special otherwise lower 3%)
.org...10% (only if a one word dictionary name, charity etc or something really special otherwise lower 3%)
.info...20% (only if relevent to information or proving info on something otherwise lower 3%)
.tv...10% (only if relevent to tv, video etc otherwise lower 1%)
.mobi...8% (only if possible to see used well on mobiles otherwise lower 1%)
.us...5% (only for names that are for US business or for genreral USA subjects otherwise lower 3%)
.biz...4% (only for names that are or business otherwise lower 1%)

 

[RJ]

This is a tough one to answer, because not all domains are created equally. Some names espeically those without obvious business angles are naturally better fits for the .ORG or .NET TLDs than others.

Examples that are good for .org/.net,
BassFishing, Lawyers, Musicians, SanFrancisco

Not as good,
BusinessSuits, ComputerSoftware, LocalMatchmaker, Bookstore

If cornered into assigning percentages I've had to do something like this,

.com = 100%
.net = 6% (often overvalued)
.org = 4% (often undervalued)
.info = 1%
.us = .5-7%
.biz = .2-.3%
random ccTLD = .1%

That looks about right to me for most keywords, but there's enough sales data out there now that someone could probably study sales trends and get more precise guesstimates.

RJ

 

[sashas]

the way I see it, the .info will overtake the .net in a few years. Its a more relevant extension. I see the .net as merely a surrogate of sorts, to be used when you don't have the money to reg the .com.

I would say:
.com - 100%
.net - 8-12%
.org - 6-9%
.info - 3-5%
.biz - 1%
.de - 5-9%
.co.uk - 3-8%
.in - 1%

 

[Carlton]

This is a tough one to answer ...

It really is. I notice lots of qualifiers before people post their views and that accurately reflects the consensus perception about how the landscape is changing ... especially with respect to the alt-tld's. They are rising, make no mistake.

I think the finite %'s listed in the thread are decent guesses with a large, and necessary, margin of error. It's not a perfect science and everyone here knows that already ... except for a few select morons who spend vast amounts of time putting down extensions they can't wrap their mind around. Of course we need these people, for laughs ... :hehe:

The rising tide is indeed lifting all boats with .com the perpetual premium. What I see is that the intended meaning contained in these various extensions is taking on more and more significance ... which is the perfect storm. .TV connotes a certain use, .mobi a certain audience, info/biz/US the same niche pattern. The tld order (and price percentages) listed in above posts will begin to vary considerably over the next 1-2 years. We'll see several large, public alt-tld sales followed by more tiers of transactions. The discrepancy gap between .com and all the other tld's will begin to close. dotcom will remain the premium leader, but other tld values will rise such that the .info (for example) will become 20-30% of the dotcom equivalent instead of the 1-3% approximation held now. Same with the other major tld's. Good generic keywords and phrases, in all tld's, will command higher and higher premiums.

Let's take for example, BUSINESS.COM vs. BUSINESS.US. It's safe to say that Business.com is out-of-reach. So the viability and market premium of Business.US just multiplied hugely. BUSINESS.COM is surely not available, so who you gonna call?

I am not particularly concerned with in-the-moment comparisons, never have been. I know what I know and that is that the alt-tld's are all growing in value. I am more concerned with the trend that emerges than with a snapshot in time.

As the gap closes, expect to see the alt-tld's begin going for between 20-50% of the dotcom version.

 

[Domainate.com]

As people have said, it all really depends on the name. Poker names for instance see a lot more .net value in percentage to the .com than a lot of types of names because so many established poker sites advertise a free version of themselves on the .net. Also, for LLLs, LLs, NNNs and NNs, .net is more favorable than usual because of the rarity factor, with 2-char names extremely more favorable on .org than usual because there are no 2-char names in most extensions like .info, .us, .mobi, etc. Likewise, types of names that do well on .org (charitable, helpful, informational, good NPO names, etc) see .org values significantly higher than the normal percentage. I would say AVERAGE:

.com = 100%
.net = 7-8%
.org = 2-5% (agreed with RJ that these are often undervalued in today's market, plus wide range due to need for cohesion with the ext)
.info = .5-1.5%
.biz = .05-.2%
.us = .3-.5%
.mobi = .5-5% (IMO a very wide range with the different opinions on .mobi plus cohesion of the name with the ext)

Honestly, ccTLDs are impossible to compare to the .com. It's so subjective, especially with ones with special meaning like .tv, that it's pointless to try and say there's a pattern. Sex.tv for instance being registered out ($1 mil a year or is it less?) while some decent 1-word non-premiums are available due to lack of cohesion with the extension, it's tough to draw any kind of conclusion. Likewise, with .in the factor would be lack of known high sales...I mean look at Searching.in and Mails.in in the $20k area and Poker.in at $60k...makes no sense at all. Obviously outliers would need to be removed to try to draw comparisons, but with ccTLDs there are often more outliers than not among the top sales.

 

[snoop]

but other tld values will rise such that the .info (for example) will become 20-30% of the dotcom equivalent instead of the 1-3% approximation held now. Same with the other major tld's. Good generic keywords and phrases, in all tld's, will command higher and higher premiums.

The trend is going the other way. How long do you propose this prediction will take to occur? We can revisit this thread at that future point in time.

 

[Kenny]

Mods & Mems,

This thread is going a lot better than my first one.

Many of you were invited to this thread, and I appreciate everyone taking the time to post their valued opinions.

If we stick to the requested format, the more posts the more accurate (for a rough graph) consensus we will be able to compile.

Thank you everyone who has posted so far.

Cy

 

[snoop]

If we stick to the requested format, the more posts the more accurate (for a rough graph) consensus we will be able to compile.

If you want accuracy I would suggest graphing sales data not opinions.

 

[Kenny]

If you want accuracy I would suggest graphing sales data not opinions.

Valuation is all guesstimate at best.
Hopefully the opinions of our members will be based on sales,
as yours were. :tu:

Thanks,
Cy