debate Environmental Thread does anyone care that Amazon Rain Forest is burning down to the ground

[oldtimer]

This is a total catastrophe and failure for the World and humanity at large. There are some things that surpass national boundaries and borders like Human Rights and certain Environmental issues that affect the whole Globe which surely should be of concern to all of us. Whether it’s the Oceans and Rivers that have been polluted or whether it’s our air and soil that have been poisoned, it all has something to do with human activity like the Global Warming and the Melting of the Ice Caps and Glaciers which is going to put many coastal Cities and Communities under water soon. IMO

Everyone’s opinions are welcomed, but keep your comments constructive, professional, and on topic. Personal attacks and belittling of others are not tolerated.

 

[oldtimer]

Over the last year I built a tinyhome back east on a piece of land, developed an off-grid solar farm and planted my own crop. The fishing isn't all that good anymore, so I moved to a remote northern community where it is Covid-free. My diet consists mostly of game now, the fish are plentiful and the moose is shared among the tribe. I don't drive, but I bought a ski-doo for the winter to go ice fishing. I work with youth and elders, and the local medicine man to bring back the age-old traditions. Collected some berries and medicine today.

Oh yeah, I've been networking with some keen Environmentally-friendly people I met in this thread, and started another general thread: Earth Matters, so what's holding us back (just recently been getting traction and some other feedback), it's kind of ridiculous talking to yourself I registered a domain and started a webpage: projectblueplanet.com (but it's not easy to work via satellite and my computer crapped out). That's the latest news, been doing this for years

I value the work that people like you do if it helps save the Humanity and the Environment and I tend not to think of such people in terms of politics, but rather I try to think of them as those whom I share a common cause with.

I myself am not 100% committed to either the Right or the Left of the political spectrum and although there are some things that I find to be good on each side, but there are also some policies and ideologies that I have issues with both when it comes to the people on the Right and on the Left.

For example I like the fact that people on the Left care a little more about the Environment and our Home Planet, but I am not very happy about the way that the pro abortion groups take the life of the unborn children in such great numbers simply because they are dead set on maintaining the kind of wrong lifestyles that require so many innocent lives to be sacrificed each year. Even though I might accept abortion being done in some rare circumstances before the first trimester of the pregnancy, but in all honesty I don't think that it's right for the people on the Left to be encouraging and supporting late term or partial birth abortion which in my opinion is just plain murder, I believe that if an unborn child is going to have to be executed in such ways it should only be done by a court order that has been approved by a panel of judges and doctors.

I also like the fact that those on the Left seem to be caring more about healthcare and other social services for all people, but I don't agree with those who seem to be mistakenly considering the pursuit of happiness as living a delinquent or a promiscuous and lustful life without respecting any moral or social boundaries. I also believe that people of all gender and gender preferences regardless of whether they consider themselves to be straight or belonging to one of the LGBTQ groups should be free to create a family together and have the right to live as each others lifelong soulmates and companions in a lawfully recognized marriage as long as they adhere to the Universally accepted values and principles that are derived through logic and compassion and that are not enslaved to a lifetime of lust and delinquency and as such I believe that it is the responsibility of the government and the society at large to make sure that such individuals and families are not subjected to undue abuse and discrimination.

Now when it comes to those who are on the Right I respect their dedication to their faith and their support for the law and order, but I am not very happy about the fact that they want to discriminate about certain groups within the society that they don't like and seem to be going out of their way to deprive certain segments of the population of being able to live a decent, happy, and healthy life. I don't like the fact that the kind of racism that is being promoted by the Right doesn't just stop at people not liking each other as it seems to have a direct effect on the quality of life for the many people who find themselves to be the subject of bigotry, hate, and discrimination in their daily lives.

And even though I believe in productive and constructive Capitalism that makes life easier and more convenient for the masses, but I am not very happy with those greedy corporations that are being supported by the Right which want to sacrifice everyone and everything for more profits specially if those big salaries and bonuses that the top executives get come at the cost of taking advantage of the average families and or the Environment. I also am not very happy with having the kind of economical and social inequalities that seem to be the hallmark of slavery and oppression. I believe that the only way that we can justify having a millionaire or billionaire class is if those people use all their financial and social positions and resources to serve the Humanity and help protect the Environment instead of living in excesses and just thinking of themselves.

As you said it's hard to find any angles in this game since everybody seems to be affiliated and aligned with some kind of an ideology or party which is putting everyone at each others throat, but for those who are willing to put politics and their own prejudices aside and sincerely want to help save the Humanity and our Home Planet they can consider me to be an ally and a friend.


PS: I am going to take a break from posting on the forum in order to tend to my health conditions, hope everyone wears a mask and stays safe.


IMO

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

We are doomed if we don't change course.

Green = old fossil fuel plus 50% more Fossil Fuel = Only good for the billionaires, not the planet.

Bookmarked at the experts telling us all the same underlying problem... not the elephant in the room... the herd of elephants in the room... "Can we be voluntarily smart enough to limit our own growth?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&feature=youtu.be&t=2727&fbclid=IwAR0kSlh18qAFbEfRcKpqIAEd8aDGrvUfewh6pxcJAN6P6p6LN7xhvYRPbbk

 

[oldtimer]

Here are a few domains that I have registered recently with the hopes that someday I could use them to create more awareness about the Environment and our Home Planet:

SavingOurHomePlanet.com /.org

GoodOldEarth.com /.org

GoAllSustainable.com / .org

 

[GILSAN]

I value the work that people like you do if it helps save the Humanity and the Environment and I tend not to think of such people in terms of politics, but rather I try to think of them as those whom I share a common cause with.

I myself am not 100% committed to either the Right or the Left of the political spectrum and although there are some things that I find to be good on each side, but there are also some policies and ideologies that I have issues with both when it comes to the people on the Right and on the Left.

For example I like the fact that people on the Left care a little more about the Environment and our Home Planet, but I am not very happy about the way that the pro abortion groups take the life of the unborn children in such great numbers simply because they are dead set on maintaining the kind of wrong lifestyles that require so many innocent lives to be sacrificed each year. Even though I might accept abortion being done in some rare circumstances before the first trimester of the pregnancy, but in all honesty I don't think that it's right for the people on the Left to be encouraging and supporting late term or partial birth abortion which in my opinion is just plain murder, I believe that if an unborn child is going to have to be executed in such ways it should only be done by a court order that has been approved by a panel of judges and doctors.

I also like the fact that those on the Left seem to be caring more about healthcare and other social services for all people, but I don't agree with those who seem to be mistakenly considering the pursuit of happiness as living a delinquent or a promiscuous and lustful life without respecting any moral or social boundaries. I also believe that people of all gender and gender preferences regardless of whether they consider themselves to be straight or belonging to one of the LGBTQ groups should be free to create a family together and have the right to live as each others lifelong soulmates and companions in a lawfully recognized marriage as long as they adhere to the Universally accepted values and principles that are derived through logic and compassion and that are not enslaved to a lifetime of lust and delinquency and as such I believe that it is the responsibility of the government and the society at large to make sure that such individuals and families are not subjected to undue abuse and discrimination.

Now when it comes to those who are on the Right I respect their dedication to their faith and their support for the law and order, but I am not very happy about the fact that they want to discriminate about certain groups within the society that they don't like and seem to be going out of their way to deprive certain segments of the population of being able to live a decent, happy, and healthy life. I don't like the fact that the kind of racism that is being promoted by the Right doesn't just stop at people not liking each other as it seems to have a direct effect on the quality of life for the many people who find themselves to be the subject of bigotry, hate, and discrimination in their daily lives.

And even though I believe in productive and constructive Capitalism that makes life easier and more convenient for the masses, but I am not very happy with those greedy corporations that are being supported by the Right which want to sacrifice everyone and everything for more profits specially if those big salaries and bonuses that the top executives get come at the cost of taking advantage of the average families and or the Environment. I also am not very happy with having the kind of economical and social inequalities that seem to be the hallmark of slavery and oppression. I believe that the only way that we can justify having a millionaire or billionaire class is if those people use all their financial and social positions and resources to serve the Humanity and help protect the Environment instead of living in excesses and just thinking of themselves.

As you said it's hard to find any angles in this game since everybody seems to be affiliated and aligned with some kind of an ideology or party which is putting everyone at each others throat, but for those who are willing to put politics and their own prejudices aside and sincerely want to help save the Humanity and our Home Planet they can consider me to be an ally and a friend.


PS: I am going to take a break from posting on the forum in order to tend to my health conditions, hope everyone wears a mask and stays safe.

IMO

Thanks for a very balanced and excellent post. Wish everyone would agree with at least 90% of your way of thinking... Keep safe!

 

[CraigD]

For example, the only ancient culture to develop a word for blue was the Egyptians, as they were also the only culture that had a way to produce a blue dye. Blue doesn't appear much in nature and there are almost no blue animals, blue eyes are rare, and blue flowers are mostly human creations.

https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-didn-t-see-the-colour-blue-until-modern-times-evidence-science

I have to disagree there.

The Australian aboriginals were around long before the Egyptians, and at least one aboriginal tribe had a word for the colour blue:

A word for the colour Blue existed in a vocabulary to the west of the lands of the Gugu Badhun peoples, Walter E. Roth, Chief Protector of Aboriginals in Queensland records in 1904, “On the Tully River,… Any Blue colour is chibul-chibul,”
https://medium.com/@mattpoll2/blue-ochre-7b058cc64ff7

As for the colours occurrence in nature, what about blueberries, bluebells, bluebirds, cassowaries, peacocks, bowerbirds, blue ringed octopus?

Lots of birds have blue plumage. Many animals have blue colouring or markings.

What are bowerbirds going to collect if there is nothing blue around?

Rocks and minerals like azurite, chalcanthite, chrysocolla, linarite, opal, smithsonite, turquoise, and vivianite.

Perhaps I am more used to seeing blue in the Australian landscape, flora and fauna?

Edited

 

[oldtimer]

Must Read:

Underestimating the Challenges of Avoiding a Ghastly Future


" Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth's ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization "


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcosc.2020.615419/full

 

[oldtimer]

Just a thought:

With all the things that are going on right now that are occupying everyone's mind I am worried that the problems with the Environment are going to be neglected at the time that it's of great importance and urgency to take the right actions before this Planet goes past the point of no return.

Before the Pandemic and all these political and racial upheavals came around I felt that we were making some headways in creating awareness amongst the general population as at that time it seemed like the Global Warming and the Environmental issues were the main focal points at the United Nations, but now it seems like they have been pushed to the back burner for the time being.

Although there is currently some talks about reviving the Paris Accord Agreement, but in all honesty the time for having more conferences and giving more speeches has long past and now we have arrived at the point that taking immediate and concrete actions at the large scale is the only thing that can save this Good Old Earth.


GoodOldEarth.com / .org

GoodOleEarth.com/ .org


I recently registered these domains for bringing more attention back to the Environment and our Home Planet, which one you all think is better the one with "Old" or "Ole".

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

Just a thought:

With all the things that are going on right now that are occupying everyone's mind I am worried that the problems with the Environment are going to be neglected at the time that it's of great importance and urgency to take the right actions before this Planet goes past the point of no return.

Before the Pandemic and all these political and racial upheavals came around I felt that we were making some headways in creating awareness amongst the general population as at that time it seemed like the Global Warming and the Environmental issues were the main focal point at the United Nations, but now it seems like they have been pushed to the back burner for the time being.

Although there is currently some talks about reviving the Paris Accord Agreement, but in all honesty the time for having more conferences and giving more speeches has long past and now we have arrived at the point that taking immediate and concrete actions at the large scale is the only thing that can save this Good Old Earth of ours.


GoodOldEarth.com / .org

GoodOleEarth.com/ .org


I recently registered these domains for bringing more attention back to the Environment and our Home Planet, which one you all think is better the one with "Old" or "Ole".

IMO

I agree, the pandemic has been a major distraction, people are more concerned about personal safety at the moment. However, there may be a silver lining to follow: straying from the business as usual model. At least that is my hope.

GoodOldEarth (.org) is better IMO.

When you get set up (together with any concerned domainers), we can exchange backlinks to this webpage:

ProjectBluePlanet.com (under construction)

Cheers

 

[oldtimer]

I have been wondering about how it is that we collectively as the Human Race with all our intelligence and knowhow seem not to be able to fully address and fix the many major problems and issues that the Humanity and our Home Planet are currently facing.

Whether it's the Pandemic, Global Warming, and all the Environmental Damage, or the issues with AI, Automation, and nano, genetic, and quantum engineering, or the political, religious, racial, and economical upheavals and turmoils that we have recently been experiencing or whether it's how we plan for all the natural and manmade disasters that could adversely affect the World it seems that the common denominator between the way that all these problems and issues are being addressed and handled right now is the fact that there is not enough cooperation, communication, planning, and preparedness at the Global level.

So far we have been spending a lot of time and energy talking about all these problems and issues, but unless if we can find an effective method of problem solving that can be applied across the board here we are going to waste even more time and energy on speeches and conferences going forward.

What happens when there are problems at a factory or large companies and organisations. I am sure that there is a systematic method that those problems are addressed and solved, so if we thought of this Planet as a big factory with the Human Race as its workers perhaps we could apply the same systematic methods to fix the problems and issues that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing.

So in short it might be best stop wasting so much time and energy talking about each individual problem or issue and try working on finding a systematic method that can address and fix all the problems and issues that the Humanity and our Home Planet are facing at the same time.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

I have been so busy the last few months that I kind of had forgotten about the Environment,

Well just kidding,

How can one forget about the Environment, it's all around us and it is now effecting every aspect of our lives.

I am somewhat encouraged by the fact that fossil fuels are being condemned by the majority of the members in the ongoing climate conference,

But as long as everyone in the conference goes back to thier multimillion dollar mansions with the same old mindsets and continues with the same wasteful and excessive lifestyles and habits that have caused all these environmental problems in the first place then I honestly don't see how we can put a dent in the climate warming problem.

The answer to our present environmental problems is to change the mindsets, behaviors, habits, and the lifestyles that have caused all these problems in the first place.

And in addition to curbing fossil fuels this also requires that we all learn how to live a simpler and less wasteful life.

IMO

 

[jhm]

@oldtimer I love your passion on such issues

Outside of the Amazon issue, I'd like to see a $10k fine for every piece of litter dropped. See how that works out

 

[MadAboutDomains]

The politicisation is all by design. All of this stuff was all in the plan and is just a way to usher in more controls and a world government.

Once again all of the moronic trolls have come down on the wrong side of the argument, not necessarily in this thread, but when you're "arguing" for the same things that the ruling classes, big corps, universities, news outlets, main stream TV outlets are parroting all day long as their flavour of the month there's nothing you're fighting against. You've just been convinced by people with an agenda to go along with it hook line and sinker.

Tldr: Same opinions as McDonalds?... Rethink your opinions.

Enjoy.

 

[oldtimer]

@oldtimer I love your passion on such issues

Outside of the Amazon issue, I'd like to see a $10k fine for every piece of litter dropped. See how that works out

On the surface giving people a fine for littering might sound logical, but even if everyone disposes of their trash properly all that trash is still going to end up in the landfills which is a problem by itself.

The better thing for us all to do is to produce less trash to begin with and that requires that we change some of our habits and lifestyles that contribute to creating so much trash everyday.

Equally important to limiting the amount of trash that each one of us is producing is to also find a way to limit our footprint in the Environment when it comes to how much resources, materials, and energy each one of us is using.

And for that reason I believe that people should not be allowed to build bigger houses than what they actually need to live in or to own too many cars, planes, and yachts no matter how rich and famous they are.

In another words being rich and famous should not automatically give anyone a license to have a bigger footprint when it comes to how much a person owns, consumes, or wastes.

Nevertheless regardless of our financial or social status we ALL need to learn to live a simpler and less wasteful life if we want to see any meaningful improvements in the situation with the Environment. I hope that all the participants in the conference remember that when they go back home because they need to set the right example for everyone else to follow.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

It appears that the Climate has become the great equalizer.

No more dancing around the issues with the Environment for the developed countries.

We can no longer allow certain people to live in excesses and have a bigger footprint in the Environment than they should while trying to limit those who live in the undeveloped and underdeveloped countries from having a basic standard of life.

IMO

 

[HotKey]

Wonderful. So what do you propose to do about it?

 

[oldtimer]

Wonderful. So what do you propose to do about it?

My thoughts on how to deal with the Environmental and all the other Political, Religious, Racial, Economical, and Technological problems that are facing us are scattered across the many threads and comments that I have made here on this forum over the past few years.

Hopefully if my health allows I am going to develop one of my domain names below to put all my thoughts and ideas in one place:

RemakingHumanity.com

GlobalReform.com

If I happen to get killed by the forces of the status quo that have been trying to sabotage and silence my voice then I guess you have to go and find all my threads and comments here on NamePros to get an idea of what I am proposing.

IMO

 

[HotKey]

Yes domain names will definitely solve the world's environmental issues. Not.

3rd world countries are trying to find food and water, 1st world countries are trying to understand why "getting their panties in bunch" offends them, while they tear down historical statues, whilst they race to the nearest fast food joint in their gas-guzzling vehicles as if there's a woman (oops wait is not woman anymore maybe it's "her" or "it") on board about to give birth.

There won't be a blanket mindset on this issue because everyone's life is a different circumstance where what is beneficial to one may not be to the other. A "footprint" by the rich or by large companies shouldn't undermined, because they do have a larger footprint whether it be by rooftop square footage or waste output. We just need to do what we can within our limits to our lifestyle. IMO.

The real issue at hand is over-population and catering to the wants of consumerism for profit.

 

[oldtimer]

There won't be a blanket mindset on this issue because everyone's life is a different circumstance where what is beneficial to one may not be to the other.

Even with all the differences in our ideologies, beliefs, interests, and agendas I am sure that the majority of the people around the world agree that our Home Planet and the future of our species is now at risk.

As to what could be done to save ourselves and our Home planet we have to accept the fact that the problems with the Environment can not be solved in isolation from all the other problems that we are facing.

We have to fix the big picture and this requires that we change Humanity at its core.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

So lets look at the elephant in the room which is the people who use up 10 , 100 , or even 1000 times the amount of energy, resources, and materials than they should.

As soon as someone becomes rich or famous they buy or even worse they build the biggest mansion that they can afford.

In most cases 10, 20, or even 50 rooms in those mansions stay empty even though those all are kept fully furnished and are made warm in the winter and cold in the summer which makes a lot of energy and resources go to waste needlessly year after year.

Those who live in these mansions often times own multiple cars, planes, and yachts which also use up the earth's resources and pollute the Environment.

In my opinion it should be made illegal for anyone to leave a bigger footprint on the Environment than is justified.

Those who live in those big mansions in this time and age with all the problems that we are facing with the Environment should know that they are committing a crime against nature and our Home Planet.

As I have already said before regardless of our financial or social status we All need to learn how to live a simpler and less wasteful life if we want to save our future.

We have a choice, we can continue living as animals, and yes we can be rich and famous and live in the nicest mansions and gather the nicest things around us and wear the nicest clothes and still be considered to be an animal, or we can live like a higher being that cares about Humanity and the Environment which includes all the other natural and artificial lifeforms and entities on Earth and beyond.

But the truth of the matter is that the destiny and future of the World can not be left in the hands of a bunch of animals that want to kill each other by the millions and who have almost destroyed their own Home Planet.

One thing is for sure as ultimately the way of Logic and Compassion is going to win over the animalistic and evil ways that the World is being run right now, but unless we all wake up soon the World might pass the point of no return and then even if everyone decides to do the right thing, but it will be too late to save ourselves.

So stop worshipping the rich and the famous as idols as they are going to sink this ship and everyone else along with it by insisting on continuing with their old ways and setting the wrong examples for the rest of the people to follow specifically when it comes to the younger generations that are much more vulnerable to their influence.

And finally for the record I must say that I don't hate anyone and that my comments here are not derived from any political, religious, racial, or economical affiliations or loyalties since as a Human Rights and Environmental activist and intellectual my first priority is to create awareness around the issues and problems that are facing us and our Home Planet before we pass the point of no return and that requires that I sometimes be very blunt and unforgiving in my assessment of the critical situation that we are in. Unfortunately as always there are some people in the establishment that are too quick to want to throw me under the bus for telling the truth, but I am hoping that they will evolve out of the animalistic state of mind that they are in and be able to see the light soon.

The way of Logic and Compassion is our path to salvation.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

The best thing that we can do to save the Environment is to stop living our lives as an animal and become a higher entity that thinks Logically and has Compassion when it comes to dealing with all the problems that are facing the Humanity and the World.

IM