debate Environmental Thread does anyone care that Amazon Rain Forest is burning down to the ground

[oldtimer]

This is a total catastrophe and failure for the World and humanity at large. There are some things that surpass national boundaries and borders like Human Rights and certain Environmental issues that affect the whole Globe which surely should be of concern to all of us. Whether it’s the Oceans and Rivers that have been polluted or whether it’s our air and soil that have been poisoned, it all has something to do with human activity like the Global Warming and the Melting of the Ice Caps and Glaciers which is going to put many coastal Cities and Communities under water soon. IMO

Everyone’s opinions are welcomed, but keep your comments constructive, professional, and on topic. Personal attacks and belittling of others are not tolerated.

 

[oldtimer]

So the question is when are WE All going to stop living like animals and start caring about the Humanity and the Environment.

What is it going to take for everyone to wake up and start seeing the critical situation that the World is in.

When are we going to accept the fact that time is of an essence right now and that we can't afford to be ignorant or make any mistakes.

When are we going to realize that continuing doing business as usual is no longer an option.

As intelligent and peaceful beings that we claim to be are we going to rise up to the situation and prove that we can be a Force For Good or are we going to ignore the truth and continue on this path of self destruction.

There is no more room for dancing around these issues and ignoring our responsibilities as every minute that goes by the World is getting closer to the point of no return.

Discrediting or killing me as a Human Rights and Environmental activist and intellectual is not going to make these questions go away. We have arrived at the point that our whole existence and our whole way of life is going to be challenged and put to the test (if not by me then by a logical and Compassionate AI that is capable of independent thought and Judgment).

IMO

 

[lock]

Some pods require fire to regenerate. Everything living also dies.

 

[oldtimer]

Some pods require fire to regenerate.

We as humans apparently need War to thrive and we consume other animals in order to survive, but as intelligent beings that we have evolved into eventually we have to learn how to conquer the negative aspects of how the World and everything in it has been molded to become over millions of years by the brute natural forces that have been out of our control so far, perhaps AI can help us create a more peaceful Environment for all the natural and artificial lifeforms once it's fully functional.

Everything living also dies.

Perhaps our subconscious and our soul can continue to exist in the Metaverse as our brains are linked up to the Cloud.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

We as humans apparently need War to thrive and we consume other animals in order to survive, but as intelligent beings that we have evolved into eventually we have to learn how to conquer the negative aspects of how the World and everything in it has been molded to become over millions of years by the brute natural forces that have been out of our control so far, perhaps AI can help us create a more peaceful Environment for all the natural and artificial lifeforms once it's fully functional.



Perhaps our subconscious and our soul can continue to exist in the Metaverse as our brains are linked up to the Cloud.

IMO

Humans don't need war to thrive, but the military has become embedded in culture, prioritized, politicized, ritualized and glorified (in some countries more than others)...and I don't see the military machine losing traction any time soon.

If war is what humans need, then perhaps a new definition and/or shift in perception might help reshape our attitude toward the environment. We are not at war with the environment, but rather the elements that would destroy it. The environment is not the enemy (ie. the Amazon rainforest did not burn itself).

The Metaverse is a logical extension of Internet growth, but it will not increase our intelligence, common sense, nor compassion. Rather, it will likely become a place to escape and 'get away' rather than deal with problems in the real world, IMO.

 

[oldtimer]

Humans don't need war to thrive, but the military has become embedded in culture, prioritized, politicized, ritualized and glorified (in some countries more than others)...and I don't see the military machine losing traction any time soon.

If war is what humans need, then perhaps a new definition and/or shift in perception might help reshape our attitude toward the environment. We are not at war with the environment, but rather the elements that would destroy it. The environment is not the enemy (ie. the Amazon rainforest did not burn itself).

The Metaverse is a logical extension of Internet growth, but it will not increase our intelligence, common sense, nor compassion. Rather, it will likely become a place to escape and 'get away' rather than deal with problems in the real world, IMO.

You can't separate the Military from the rest of the Humanity. It's all one package and we each play a role in how things operate and unfold both in the Social and the Environmental aspect of things. And yes we are and have been at War both amongst ourselves and with the Environment for a long time now.

As I have already mentioned we can't solve the problems with the Environment in isolation from all the other problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing. We have to look at the big picture because all our problems are connected together somehow.

The best way to deal with this situation is to have a two track mind and approach. Like for example while we appreciate what the Military is doing to protect us, but we also have to think about how we can put an end to all the hostilities and Wars for good.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

You can't separate the Military from the rest of the Humanity. It's all one package and we each play a role in how things operate and unfold both in the Social and the Environmental aspect of things. And yes we are and have been at War both amongst ourselves and with the Environment for a long time now.

As I have already mentioned we can't solve the problems with the Environment in isolation from all the other problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing. We have to look at the big picture because all our problems are connected together somehow.

The best way to deal with this situation is to have a two track mind and approach. Like for example while we appreciate what the Military is doing to protect us, but we also have to think about how we can put an end to all the hostilities and Wars for good.

IMO

When 'might' is right, there will be very little international accountability in terms of global climate change. Some nations have claimed sovereign immunity from international treaties, or their leaders refuse to co-operate entirely.

For instance, the US military pollutes more than 100 countries combined! I'm not saying the military is not important, but doesn't the cost of freedom go far beyond the 705 billion dollar per year budget? Should they not be held accountable for environmental impact and eco-footprint like businesses and consumers?

 

[oldtimer]

When 'might' is right, there will be very little international accountability in terms of global climate change. Some nations have claimed sovereign immunity from international treaties, or their leaders refuse to co-operate entirely.

For instance, the US military pollutes more than 100 countries combined! I'm not saying the military is not important, but doesn't the cost of freedom go far beyond the 705 billion dollar per year budget? Should they not be held accountable for environmental impact and eco-footprint like businesses and consumers?

I cannot speak on behalf of any one country in the World since I am more focused on the Humanity and the Environment as a whole.

But the way that the World is right now since there are strong forces that want to undermine the freedom and lives of others then it sounds reasonable for people to want to have a strong military to protect them against those forces. As to who the good guys and the bad guys are I guess that depends on each person's preservative. I personally believe that Humanity as a whole needs to ascend out of the animalistic and to some extent evil existence that we all have come to accept as being the norm. And that's why that I have been saying all along that we need to start a new Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion and that can make it possible for all lifeforms and entities whether natural or artificial to be able to live a safe, peaceful, productive, righteous, healthy, and happy life.

That might sound a little idealistic, but the truth of the matter is that if we as the intelligent beings that we claim to be cannot ascend to a higher level of existence and thinking then it's not going to take a genius to realize where the Humanity and our Home Planet are going to be headed to.

We need to stop pointing fingers at one another as everyone is guilty in one way or another when it comes to failing to accept responsibly for the future of the Humanity and our Home Planet.

At this time the best thing that we can do is to try to find some common grounds amongst us over finding the Logical and Compassionate path that can take us out of the mess that we all as the human race have created thus far.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

I cannot speak on behalf of any one country in the World since I am more focused on the Humanity and the Environment as a whole.

But the way that the World is right now since there are strong forces that want to undermine the freedom and lives of others then it sounds reasonable for people to want to have a strong military to protect them against those forces. As to who the good guys and the bad guys are I guess that depends ...

Being a citizen of the world, one still cannot ignore the elephant in the room. US maintains a global military presence while China remains primarily focused on security issues within the Indo-Pacific. Still, there are some who would undermine the freedom and lives of others, but that can also be said of economic forces by increasing national debt, selling the future.

By simple comparison: USA spent $778, 232 million in 2020, while China spent $252,304 million.

Really, how much protection does one really need when one can get shot on the street?

The two largest economies MUST take responsibility for being in that position and take the leadership role, not merely backbenchers in the envrionmental theatre, IMO.

 

[oldtimer]

The two largest economies MUST take responsibility for being in that position and take the leadership role, not merely backbenchers in the envrionmental theatre, IMO.

There is no way that we can fix the problems with the Environment without remaking the Humanity and starting a new Era that is based on a whole new kind of mindset, behavior, and attitude.

That's why I am more focused on the Humanity as a whole because without fixing the big picture we are pretty much wasting our time takling about the Environment.

People have been coming up with all kinds of research and graphs in the climate conferences for the past 50 years, but as I have already said the problems with the Environment cannot be fixed in isolation from all the orher problems that Humanity and our Home Planet are facing.

Everything is connected together and we need to start worrying about the big picture if we are going to have any chances of saving ourselves and the Environment.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

There is no way that we can fix the problems with the Environment without remaking the Humanity and starting a new Era that is based on a whole new kind of mindset, behavior, and attitude.

That's why I am more focused on the Humanity as a whole because without fixing the big picture we are pretty much wasting our time takling about the Environment.

Capitalism is not the culprit, it's the fantasy we've been sold by the lobbyists. Difficult to change a mindset, especially when one becomes conditioned to an unsustainable standard of living.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money." ― Cree Indian Prophecy

Unsustainable Debt: Countries With The Highest National Debt Per Person In 2020​

 

[oldtimer]

Thanks for a very balanced and excellent post. Wish everyone would agree with at least 90% of your way of thinking... Keep safe!

@oldtimer I love your passion on such issues

GoodOldEarth (.org) is better IMO.

When you get set up (together with any concerned domainers), we can exchange backlinks to this webpage:

ProjectBluePlanet.com (under construction)

Cheers

Thanks for you all's support.

Let's hope that more people are going to start seeing the light.

 

[jhm]

Thanks for you all's support.

Let's hope that more people are going to start seeing the light.

Sent you a DM

 

[oldtimer]

Sent you a DM

I usually don't get involved in any discussions through DM, but you are welcomed to post your views on the Environment right here.

IMO

 

[lemonayd]

Nice to see Humanitarian and Global Interests are still on the agenda for many. Does anyone care about the Amazon Rain Forest plight. Simple answer Yes and No!
Whilst Amazon is associated in the mind of most people as the purveyors of low priced goods, we will associate 'The Amazon' with the Online Shopping first of all - for the most part. Maybe the key would be to lobby Amazon into allowing more Amazon Rain Forest based post links to their books and documentaries about the Amazon Rain Forest that they have for sale. Initailly, it would be prudent to ask them what they think after putting together a little blog. With the might that Amazon (shopping) has become, the natural Amazon (the rain forest and the surrounding areas nurtured by it) really could do with some online help from the brand Amazon. No doubt they must already help and donate for what they make from the brand. I'm suggesting reminding them to do a little bit more. I care about the Rainforest. Just never had the understanding of how to do something about promoting the need for the world to take it seriously, without stepping on the toes of a major online Corporation. To my mind, it is this 'fear' of upsetting Amazon (shopping) that holds people back from full-on Social Awareness about the Amazon Rain Forest, not apathy. Best of luck with your endeavours!

 

[Cannuck]

Whilst Amazon is associated in the mind of most people as the purveyors of low priced goods, we will associate 'The Amazon' with the Online Shopping first of all - for the most part. Maybe the key would be to lobby Amazon into allowing more Amazon Rain Forest based post links to their books and documentaries about the Amazon Rain Forest that they have for sale. Initailly, it would be prudent to ask them what they think after putting together a little blog. With the might that Amazon (shopping) has become, the natural Amazon (the rain forest and the surrounding areas nurtured by it) really could do with some online help from the brand Amazon. No doubt they must already help and donate for what they make from the brand. I'm suggesting reminding them to do a little bit more. I care about the Rainforest.

Nice connection of namesake

Amazon.com made a little over $64 billion last year, they could practically afford to buy the Amazon rainforest; however, Jeff Bezos seems more concerned with providing space tourism to millionaires.

If you shop at smile.amazon.com, Amazon.com will donate 0.5% of the price of eligible purchases to charity of your choice (ie. Amazon Conservation).

 

[lock]

Plants that need fire to break the seeds with heat in order to propagate is what is meant by pods. A forest will recover fast with fire it won't recover with a bull dozer. Last year Australia was burning now you cannot even tell where the fires were by looking. Lots of money raised wonder where all those donations go. Long after the plague of humans are gone earth will flourish or AI could take over and wreck it further.

 

[oldtimer]

The time for philosophical discussions and debate has long past.

We have arrived at the point that we have to do or die. That means that we either have to do all the right things or our Home Planet will die.

There is no room for being ignorant or making any mistakes.

The window of opportunity to take some concrete actions towards correcting the problems with the Environment is closing fast.

We are getting closer and closer to the point of no return (we might not even exactly know when we have passed it).

If there was a large adtroid that was on a collision course with Earth and we could see it with our own eyes I am sure that it would be the top subject of discussion and news in all the media channels. So I am wondering why the issues with the Environment are not being talked about in all the media channels 24 hours a day and 7 days a week in order to educate the public (and the World leaders) to do the right thing.

We have wasted the last 50 years by not taking the problems with the Environment seriously, we now only have one chance left to be able to save the Humanity and our Home Planet from imminent catastrophe before it's too late.

Lets not waste this last chance to save the World.

IMO

 

[lock]

The sky is not falling. Carbon is plant food long after we are gone Earth will be spinning.

 

[oldtimer]

The sky is not falling. Carbon is plant food long after we are gone Earth will be spinning.

You shouldn't send the Humanity down the river so easily.

It's time that we as the intelligent beings that we claim to be start taking control over our own destiny.

Failure is not an option, at least not for those who value all life and care about the future of the World.

It took billions of years for us to get to become intelligent beings and as such we have a responsibility towards all life whether natural or artificial.

True that the Universe can go on without us, but what if the Universe has created us because it needs us in some ways.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

The time for philosophical discussions and debate has long past.

From a report on the Tipping Point (March 2005)...

The full costs of this are only now becoming apparent. Some 15 of the 24 ecosystems vital for life on earth have been seriously degraded or used unsustainably - an ecosystem being defined as a dynamic complex of plants, animals and micro-organisms that form a functional unit with the non-living environment in which the coexist.

The assessment shows that over the next 50 years, the risk is not of some global environmental collapse, but rather a risk of many local and regional collapses in particular ecosystem services. We already see those collapses occurring - fisheries stocks collapsing, dead zones in the sea, land degradation undermining crop production, species extinctions.

Humans must take responsibility for the global crisis they created (and learn to live with the consequences of our negligence).