Enough with the appraisals already!

[DomainBuyerBroker]

I may be just speaking for myself but can we PLEASE give the constant supply of appraisal threads a rest?

I see one crappy hand reg after another with the owner looking for some validation by his/her peers here.

Here's my blanket appraisal on hand regs...If you can hand reg it, it's probably crap.

Do you think you are the first one to discover this "gem" just sitting there? NO.

Many others have probably seen it sitting there FOR YEARS. Remember people .tv is not new. People could have registered that "gem" back in 2001 but they didn't. Why? Because it's not worth the reg fee.

Now just so this post is not purely my rant against hand reg appraisals, I would like to offer some advice:

Find about one dozen domains that you would LOVE to own. I mean really LOVE to own. You would be passionate about developing them or think that you can sell them for a quick profit or hold for long term appreciation.

Now, go after those dozen names. Contact the owners. See if you can work out a payment deal or buy 51% of the name or something. You might be surprised and find a REAL gem for $1000 or maybe even $2000. Now you have a quality name that other people will want.

In life it's usually quality over quantity. In the high reg fee world of .tv domains it's definitely QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.

Whew. Thanks for listening.

Unfriendly comments are welcome

 

[RogueWriter]

Lol, Turn That Frown, Upside Down!

I wonder if badcoffee.com is available, lol.

 

[TheBulldog]

Quite frankly, that is not a very encouraging thing to say considering it is newcomers coming in that supply most of them. (Not that I am not quilty) There are good hand reg's left, Smash finds quite a few.

If you want to have an elitist group of tv people, that only can pay high prices for names, ask for your own special forum for the "NO HAND REG EVER" crowd.

If you don't like hand-reg, then don't appraise them. You can just sit back and wait for someone to ask for opinions on the big ticket names that we already know the value because they just paid it. Then by all means feel free to jump in with the rest of the herd and say "good job, well done, blah blah, lick lick"

 

[BDM1]

go outside and get some sunlight. :lol:

Its not about getting back slapped by your peers, it shows that that extension is constantly being searched on, which is good for all of us in the long run.

deep breath. Its not an old extension to all people, as you are seeing daily, in how many are being registered. Its a resurgence in the market. And about time to.

I hope the sunshine was nice.

 

[stogid]

I have just visited your site and it seems you are giving out conflicting messages.

You say hand reg'ing is blanket 'crap', then you list a load of hand reg'd domains on your site that you bought?

As someone who is new to the domain world I find your comments very offensive and not very understanding of how people learn this business.

Im not sure how you meant to put your point across but surely you cannot believe what you wrote above.

Maybe you are having a bad day

 

[italiandragon]

I disagree , some hand regs can be decent. Plus internet evolves, and there are new things coming out.

 

[SKG]

Appraisals aside, I would disagree with you Rob that a hand reg is not worth it and that is why it is just sitting there. First of all, DM, Verisign and .TV corp calling a name a premium by sticking a premium renewal fee does not make a domain premium, imo. Good names drop all the time each and every day. I own many and can prove it. As far as people asking for appraisals, well that is part of being on a domain forum. People may ask for a number of reasons to include: just learning, self promotion, etc whatever. I would not be so hard on them. By the way, DM turns has turned hand regs into premiums after they have dropped or not taken and the think it has value, would you believe that? LateNight.tv was a hand reg and I beg to differ that it is worth squat.

 

[BDM1]

There are few like this guy on this forum, all high and mighty. At the end of the day mate, you are just a guy with a web site, dont keep fooling yourself, that you know the market and no one else has any idea.
Most people couldnt spell your domain name.
Or maybe thats just me :lol:

Its only life, it aint that stressfull.

I took you off my favourites. na na na na :lol:

 

[Brand Herald]

We are hear to learn and earn

I have successful sold my hand regs for between $100-400.

There are still some great non-premium regs out there.

But this is a forum where people learn so I crappy reg comes with the territory

 

[Michelle]

Wow where do I start

First off hugs we all have our views this is yours and thats fine

I personally have hand regged what *I* think is a gem and that makes me happy I personally am looking for xxxx and above and am sure in my happy little world I will get it :hehe:

I can see your frustration from many many appraisals threads but at the end of the day **dont read them** :imho:

We all started somewhere .... Does well to always remember that

Take care

 

[DomainAgency.com]

Not a good way for the forum sponsor to ingratiate himself to potential clients IMO

Bottom line, either read the post or pass, its your choice. Your comment:

Find about one dozen domains that you would LOVE to own. I mean really LOVE to own. You would be passionate about developing them or think that you can sell them for a quick profit or hold for long term appreciation.

Now, go after those dozen names. Contact the owners. See if you can work out a payment deal or buy 51% of the name or something. You might be surprised and find a REAL gem for $1000 or maybe even $2000. Now you have a quality name that other people will want.

In life it's usually quality over quantity. In the high reg fee world of .tv domains it's definitely QUALITY OVER QUANTITY.

Has much validity and agree with your philosophy on approaching the aftermarket.

Its seems you are trying to offer constructive advice, just your execution leaves something to be desired IMO.

We all have different learning curves and if the .TV TLD is going to continue to gain in popularity you better get used to many bad domains being reged and then people wanting to get opinions on them.

To try and prevent that is naive and foolish IMO and ultimately would hurt your site, the name pros forum, and the extension in general.

 

[Master Chief]

Maybe if we encourage members to put forth their very best hand reg's (one or two) once a week, the forum wouldn't be flooded with so many threads.

 

[antonis12]

look the advice in general is good (focus on quality), but not absolute.

even today, I did some hand-regs that I would consider to be decent (and I have a great set of names already).

if .tv becomes a huge success, one of the things that the older members will have to get used to is the next tiers of name quality becoming regged by newbies.

for example, most twoword combos that are gone in major .tlds are still available (take, as just one example, GEO+Service). You could reg these all day long. I think it is early for these names, but if .tv becomes what we hope it becomes, then someday they will be worth regging (not today, but someday)

now, in some other cases, it will be newbies just plain and simple making mistakes. that is part of life and their learning process

I don't view it as a big problem either way.

the key is for people to try to follow the appraisal guidelines from EQ when asking for one so that they get more out of the process.

 

[DomainBuyerBroker]

I have just visited your site and it seems you are giving out conflicting messages.

You say hand reg'ing is blanket 'crap', then you list a load of hand reg'd domains on your site that you bought?

As someone who is new to the domain world I find your comments very offensive and not very understanding of how people learn this business.

Im not sure how you meant to put your point across but surely you cannot believe what you wrote above.

Maybe you are having a bad day

Thanks for the visit and the comments. I have my share of crap, no doubt but I offer them for sale on my site. I am not asking for an appraisal.

I will add to my initial thread to say that I am happy to see new people coming into the space and searching for names but I also hate to see people digging for gold when the miners have been digging in the same spot for years.

Go out and BUY some gold because it is a better use of your time and money in my opinion.

Can you still find a nugget? Sure.

My beef is just with the endless appraisal threads. Even paid appraisals are worthless in most cases so free appraisals are even more unreliable.

 

[Steven]

Some of my hand regs were expired ones... (expired because not everybody is in it to sell the domain, and the owner may have lost interest in pursuing the development and let it drop.)

A domain may be worth a penny to some, but may be worth a lot to others.
It all depends.

 

[Mark]

I've sold "Hand Regs" costing 100$ for over 1,000$ so far this month (3 Domains - Different extensions) .... [PS - Only one of these domains was advertised "for sale" - the others were people coming to me]


While I can see your frustration - It's not holding much water with me - But then again , I haven't posted a domain for Appraisal since Dinosaurs Roamed the Forum

I will say it frustrates me as well watching some Regs (mainly because I see wasted money) , but how many of us have seen verified sales over the past few years that made no sense either ? Were not all "Experts" for every category of domains there are.

New Technologies and New Search Interest are created everyday ... Plenty of room for everyone :tu:




Hoping Everyone is having a Grand Day

PSS - Moving this to the Regular Discussion section As it really doesn't just pertain to one extension IMO , And even though it may seem very negative - There is some Merit to it IMO

Good Discussion to work out among members - Just PLEASE Do not post any examples of "Bad Regs" Folks

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Another point I'd like to make. Even though this was created in the .tv section mainly speaking about that extension , There will always be domainers speculating on keywords - I myself still have a handful of .name's - But as long as they pay for their Room and Board , I'm not going to let them expire. <dot>TV is being seen as the Television/Video extension now - But that wasn't it's original intended use ... Keywords/Phrases with Search value will always be reg'd whether they fit your idea of the Extensions use or not.

 

[markmiddleton]

(NB - Regrettably with the thread move I didn't realise that the op was referring to .TV's and if he was exclusively I do apologize, my view towards .tv's are much more conservative and I haven't speculated myself for that very reason.)

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Though I applaud any call for people to buy assets that are increasing in value as time goes on, searches, traffic etc as good long term investments. (My buying Philosophy) I disagree strongly with the way you put across your argument.

I may be just speaking for myself but can we PLEASE give the constant supply of appraisal threads a rest?

I see one crappy hand reg after another with the owner looking for some validation by his/her peers here.

Tell these people why, try to help direct the people making the bad registrations and you'll see better ones. In the end though bad registrations only make those people who spend time and effort hunting down traffic, keyword, generic, practical and/or brandable terms all the better off as those domainers stand out.

Here's my blanket appraisal on hand regs...If you can hand reg it, it's probably crap.

While I agree 65 - 75% of new domains registered will not sell either undeveloped or have been bought on long term market trends, the very fact millions of domains a year are registered makes the odds of this particular statement being accurate ludicrous to make.

I get offers, sales, traffic, PPC and eventually affiliate income from newly registered domains. I do ignore most domains for appraisals unless I feel it is a gem in the rough or stepping in to help, might help a new buyer. However the internet is bigger than I am or you are and such a statement is quite simply founded on very uncertain ground as the industry expands and indeed we learn of new products or services.

Domainers always argue and bicker over what makes a domain valuable, even in generic domains most of us can generally see value in, what to value them at is extremely subjective.

I will also add that over the last few weeks I have just found a theme of around 50 domains getting average to high adwords score and fair ovt results, .com's in some of the terms are free and I can see the appeal to end users. So I will again state that while I understand your overall point that most people would be better of researching rather than buying, its taken too far in your claims.

 

[seeker]

saying that there anren't *any* hand regs left worth anything is not only BS, but shows to a certain degree either a general frustration that is being taken out here to vent, or, simply a lack of understanding of domains.
I hope, it is the first one...

 

[DomainBuyerBroker]

First, I don't see was this thread was moved out of the .tv forum.

Second, my main beef is with the relentless appraisal threads for crappy hand reg names.

Third, my comments about "no good hand regs being available" was an after thought and I did not mean to start a flame thread on that topic.

So, hopefully this post will cause some to ask 1. Is this a crappy .tv hand reg? and 2. Do I really want to post an appraisal request.

 

[DotWeekly]

The Appraisals Thread, should be switched to the "What I Sold Thread". I think you might get a better idea of current prices for a compairable domain, without asking.

I personally see "Hand Reg Domains" totally different than Just Expired domains. We all have our ways of finding domains. I use software and a system, to catch domains as they expire. Is this considered a Hand Reged domain? It would be to some, backordered to others and something else to somebody etc.

A hand reg domain to me is. You come up with an idea in your head, you type in a domain at a registrar, It's available, you reg it. That's a hand reg! Does this make the domain instantly worth $1,000. I would say maybe to you, but nobody else.