poll Downvoting should be removed

[Chieff]

I have suggestion that downvoting should be removed from forum

Downvoting facilitate mob mentality

Don't know why community like namepros still have it

Reasons:

1. It stops ppl from sharing different opinions
2. People don't want to see difference in opinion use downvote as a tool to pull down

 

[Blueleaf66]

i forgot about @abstractdomainer
this is probably why he doesnt log in anymore.

@QUAD DOMAINS comes to mind, disgusting; what they do to him. Mel takes it all in stride; the nicest guy on NP; and does not deserve the negative impact;

at least @Blueleaf66 impact score exceeds his or her post count, blueleaf66 is still in a very good position.

All the best to you! (And i hope NP removes anon dv)

Completely agree with you regarding QUAD. I don't get what's going on.

Personally, I don't care about the score etc.,but seeing lots of good folks being CONSTANTLY downvoted and experiencing it myself, I can't agree with this practice. So I just asked for account closure. Lots of good folks here, though. Really.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

They are not being interactive at all are they?
This is not a self driving forum where it will cruise along on its own.
C’mon boss speak to the people. Their not happy and its showing more in the posts being made. Its the posts not being made.

 

[BaileyUK]

Must admit I never suffered many, if any downvotes before. So I only viewed it as anti-troll device. I know I can be controversial. but I don't do it to be stoke resentment. Sometimes just to open up a another school of thought. I didn't mind them in my thread about the over 50's I knew that light-hearted threads intent would go over some heads.

However it does seem it's becoming some members tool of choice. The anonymity of it compared to the notification of members upvotes seems really at odds with each other. If it's new-commers just disagreeing then I can take that as an inability to construct a valid counter argument.

I know I would at least take leave from the forum if it become prevalent and undeserved.. HURRAH think some. But, many downvotes seem to appear for the must innocuous/casual of comments.

Either get rid of it or make it accountable is my belief. Lets not have resentfulness become a issue, which seems to be a growing trend

 

[Peter45]

Well I made abundantly clear that I wasn't enquiring about Berryhill's legal fees but rather about a $5k figure thrown up by "J.K.", but that wasn't the point karmaco,
the point was, with some perseverance downvoting trolls can throw someone back to Newbie status, and keep him there forever.
I don't think that's healthy for a community.

Upvotes are anonymous too. I don’t see how they could remove one without the other.

That surmise some kind of symmetry between upvoting and downvoting.
I don't see a symmetry in the damage downvoting trolls can do to a community with the damage upvoting trolls can do.
I'm not even sure the expression upvoting trolls makes sense.

 

[QUAD DOMAINS]

In other words those against anonymous downvoting haven't grown up



Impact scores are treated as a sign of how credible a forum's member is. Maybe they aren't a trustworthy sign for that, but willy nilly that's how they are treated.
Someone with a low Impact score is considered inexperienced.
Someone with a negative Impact score is considered a troll.

Maybe those against anonymous downvoting have more self-esteem than him and you and don't like to risk to be considered trolls.
That doesn't mean that we are snowflakes.

So, the biggest issue with anonymous downvoting is that it doesn't leave ANY room whatsoever for context UNLESS the downvote is paired with a written explanation of WHY it was given. There are "default upvoters and downvoters". Default upvoters and downvoters are likely the people who lean too heavily into the NamePros badge count and profile stats rather than the actual content itself after so long. I could say "water is wet" and there are people who will downvote this simple, and true, statement by default because of QUAD's history of being downvoted. However, if someone more decorated like say @bobhawkes says "water is dry" he'll likely get upvotes by default. Regardless of whether it's true or not. People will likely downvote this comment just because of that last sentence. Thank goodness Bob likely understands the reason for the example.

The Namepros upvote and downvote system is flawed to say the least. It's one of the platform's value-reducing elements. The lack of context allows a skewed narrative to be sculpted about a poster even if they're respectful, convey a sound perspective and keep the conversation going despite mob-like criticism and downvotes. Unfortunately, Namepros doesn't offer badges for resilient posters. If you dig into Quad's posting history you'll notice we've NEVER been rude or anything. We've planted seeds for healthy dialogue; but have been met with resistance when the Namepros status-quo is challenged. This makes Namepros feel more like a "club" than an "open-forum". Nevertheless, they have the power to run it as they please; and anyone who doesn't like it can scadaddle. Even those who lead with healthy dialogue. It's one heck of a dynamic; and definitely seems like narrative control.

 

[Blueleaf66]

I'm leaving this forum because of this shit. It's a very sick place with lots of anonymous downvoters. I don't feel comfortable here.
Best of luck to everybody.

 

[QUAD DOMAINS]

@QUAD DOMAINS,
You are the classiest guy here and you dont deserve -199 impact (as of this moment)

You take everything in stride; and i strongly believe taking away anonymity would reduce it by 90% more. You’re a good man!! Not once lost your cool. Thank you.

Samer

@Samer,

Thank you so very much. Taking it all in stride has a lot to do with not wanting others to believe a downvote means you're wrong. There are likely tons of folks who stay on the sidelines of key discussions on this platform because they fear ridicule for having a point of view that's different despite being constructive. It's truly disheartening.

There are some people in life that are led by negativity; and it's reasonable to expect folks like this exist on the NamePros platform. It's not fair; nor is it right. However, it's the reality. The gravity of this reality can be heavier on some days more than others; but it never steers QUAD from being a voice of reason, fairness and respect. Thank you.

Mel
QUAD Domains

 

[postscripter]

why there are no polling options to vote here?
anyway. No, keep downvoting.

 

[james haw]

Downvotes do the opposite. They leave people feeling bad and build a culture of hate and division.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you cannot protect people like this at the cost of losing useful information and accuracy. At the risk of sounding dramatic, this is what is becoming wrong with the world, not just forums or voting. People are upset at anything, no matter how much you pander to them. Medals given to all participants not just 1st 2nd 3rd. It's crazy, and it's very wrong.

Downvoting is very important on some mediums. To use another platform as an example:
On YouTube when they removed the downvote stats we could no longer at a glance see what is likely a poor video, or "bad advice".
The many tech videos with very bad advice now only show the positive upvotes from inexperienced people believing they were helped by the bad advice. When in fact those "250" upvotes are meaningless when you see the "3500" downvotes!

This is comparative here. If someone posts a thread advising to invest heavily in some new niche, and in fact it's dead or for whatever reason very bad advice, only allowing upvotes skews the accuracy of the overall opinion.

20 people agree with this terrible advice as they have already invested in this niche.
With no downvotes everyone sees advice as "+20" and so more people invest badly as a result.
With downvotes, even if 15 sane people with experience see and downvote it, now people only see "+5", which weakens the potential it's good advice.

"Hate and division" comes from being hateful, not from useful and accurate metrics like downvoting. If people feel bad from facts then that's on them, the world should absolutely not remove accurate facts just because some people cannot handle them. That is not fair on everyone else.

Besides, better to make people feel sad and not buy more bad domains than just upvote them to oblivion and let them become in financial ruin, no?

 

[Peter45]

NP staff playing their own play. They are rules makers here.​

Exactly. And the rules makers have created a section in this forum, Suggestions and Feedback.
That's why this thread makes sense.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Yes its a joke. Keep anonymous upvotes but not downvotes.
If someone wants to lower your impact, show your np face and limit it to one
@abstractdomainer got hammered for prob 1000 invisible downvotes.
I tried to even it out but someone doesnt have a job. Where i am hard at work now
Amazing we can talk about the quality of namepros and have a paying member leave with no input from higher powers.
Make sure you cancel your upgrade @Blueleaf66 before you close your account. All the best to you.
Maybe this invisible downvoting costing them money will help make a difference to them.

If you dont improve things they wont go up in value
~Bob P

 

[Lox]

NPs has changed since intro downvoting and for majority of NPs members, it seems like downvoting is essentially tied to an emotion of hate (giving = getting). The NPs management should not participate in accumulating hate.

IMO

Regards

 

[QUAD DOMAINS]

Completely agree with you regarding QUAD. I don't get what's going on.

Personally, I don't care about the score etc.,but seeing lots of good folks being CONSTANTLY downvoted and experiencing it myself, I can't agree with this practice. So I just asked for account closure. Lots of good folks here, though. Really.

@Blueleaf66 Thank you. It's just as puzzling to have a negative score despite NEVER partaking in anything negative. (No cursing, no down-talking other members, no scathing critique of others' domain registrations. None of it.) Yet, there's irony in the fact some tenured NamePros members do these exact things and their "impact score" doesn't reflect it. There's obviously a bias on NamePros; but it's not enough to steer QUAD away from constructive dialogue.

After realizing logic and positivity are downvoted here, and mods reserve the right to dismiss whomever they please for ANY reason, it became clear contributing to this particular forum isn't about the domain investing more than it's about keeping the idea that "what's good and respectful is resilient" alive. Yes, better was once expected from the platform's members; but now it's about being the CHANGE you wish to see. This is one reason QUAD continues to post here; while appreciating individuals like you.

Mel
QUAD Domains

 

[sofiapartner]

I agree.

 

[Peter45]

Downvoting does nothing other than allow people to "disagree" or "dislike" a post, or label it as "bad/poor/spam" etc.

I don't think this is the whole picture.
Sometimes downvoting does something other than allow people to disagree or dislike a post, namely it allows to punish the poster.

If people "mob" to downvote then generally there's a reason, it's spam/marketing in the wrong place, badly written, bad advice, etc.

We can argue about the generally, fact is that group downvoting is also used in order to punish deviant behavior (in which case, using the (negative) term mob or the (neutral) terms group/community depends on whether one agrees with that deviant behavior or not.)


I think @Chieff meant this: the more tools a group has to punish deviant behavior, the stronger social pressure is.
Downvoting is very easy, compared to contradicting, arguing.
Anonymous downvoting, even more.

 

[johnn]

After 60 replies and 2K views and nothing happen - No reply No comment from the staff
So let forget about this one and move on to something else.

 

[TheDev]

Downvoting facilitate mob mentality

And its removal doesn't? I wholeheartedly disagree. Keep the down vote.

 

[Samer]

karmaco, two days ago someone put down this line

In the same thread in this post #85 I've summarized what followed.

When I wrote #85 my Impact rating was 60-70.
Now I have 30.
#85 received 9 downvotes.
Those 9 **** are chasing backwards my posts and downvoting them.
Who is the troll


I agree with you that downvoting helps the forum regulate itself.
Whether it contributes to forum's quality, not sure.

It shouldn’t affect your “impact score”
So many repercussions for downvotes, at least take away anonymity; if you are going to allow affect impact

I hate it when it happens to me and my impact is 21,550 (atm) You are preaching truth; but i oppose taking away downvotes altogether; but anon shills should not have impact on anyone’s ”impact”. Take away anonymity.

 

[Amit V]

Anonymous downvoting is for cowards.

 

[johnn]

I think the reason the Mods ignore to explain the reason because they want members to post more. Just like Youtuber want to get more views.

 

[Chieff]

And its removal doesn't? I wholeheartedly disagree. Keep the down vote.

You need to do some research and understand what it means before asking such question

 

[karmaco]

Its only been in place the last year or two. It helps the forum regulate itself. I bet the mods get less reports. Haven’t seen a fight in here since. Trolls don’t last.

The upvotes are anonymous as well so you’d have to remove those if you want things completely equal.

 

[Chieff]

Its only been in place the last year or two. It helps the forum regulate itself. I bet the mods get less reports. Haven’t seen a fight in here since. Trolls don’t last.

The upvotes are anonymous as well so you’d have to remove those if you want things completely equal.

There is a difference - forums are good place to share thoughts, exchange information , place to discuss, share experience

if someone is making a reply from different perspective ; making a counter reply or explaining better in words are the constructive way

But downvotes does not share opinions / thoughts it just facilitate disagreement without any words, this simple act does not answers the thread

And who know how much expertise the person have to downvote ?

 

[Peter45]

Its only been in place the last year or two. It helps the forum regulate itself. I bet the mods get less reports. Haven’t seen a fight in here since. Trolls don’t last.

The latter should have more to do with the quality of the community than with the downvoting option, imo.

Should things turn around that downvoting option will become shit storms targeting independent minded members.

 

[karmaco]

karmaco, two days ago someone put down this line

In the same thread in this post #85 I've summarized what followed.

When I wrote #85 my Impact rating was 60-70.
Now I have 30.
#85 received 9 downvotes.
Those 9 **** are chasing backwards my posts and downvoting them.
Who is the troll


I agree with you that downvoting helps the forum regulate itself.
Whether it contributes to forum's quality, not sure.

I don’t know about your votes nor following these threads but reviewing it now perhaps you were pissing people off by hijacking a thread. The thread was about GD brokers not about his legal fees. Just a guess.

I have been downvoted many atime too. I just take it as they disagree with what I said or are my haters…lol

Upvotes are anonymous too. I don’t see how they could remove one without the other.