Domaining...The More You Know, The More Complicated It Is!

[has2hands]

Hello,

As I sit here, checking over my scheduled list of domains that I want to acquire today, either by drops or auctions or registering or buying.....using sophisticated software.... or paid lists...or drop catching services...or dumb luck..or the newest and greatest idea.........

Well.....did you ever step back and think about what we are doing and how domaining has really evolved? How the more you know and understand, the more complicated it gets?

I registered my first names probably 7-8 years ago, basically just to protect my websites from cybersquaters...well, that was very easy compared to today.

I guess I am just amazed and how relatively simple domaining can be...simple hand registering domains ( which I enjoy the most) or how truly complicated it can be...using APIs/scripts to constantly scan various companies and lists.

Is it just me?

Paul

 

[Ms Domainer]

Hello,

As I sit here, checking over my scheduled list of domains that I want to acquire today, either by drops or auctions or registering or buying.....using sophisticated software.... or paid lists...or drop catching services...or dumb luck..or the newest and greatest idea.........

Well.....did you ever step back and think about what we are doing and how domaining has really evolved? How the more you know and understand, the more complicated it gets?

I registered my first names probably 7-8 years ago, basically just to protect my websites from cybersquaters...well, that was very easy compared to today.

I guess I am just amazed and how relatively simple domaining can be...simple hand registering domains ( which I enjoy the most) or how truly complicated it can be...using APIs/scripts to constantly scan various companies and lists.

Is it just me?

Paul

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No, It's not just you.

The more one learns, the more realizes how much one does not know.

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[Seabass]

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No, It's not just you.

The more one learns, the more realizes how much one does not know.

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Well.....the game has changed too. It's the same as going from the simple, innocent 1950's in the USA to this complicated post 2000 world we now have to live in.

The rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper, where it ends nobody knows.
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[AdoptableDomains]

The more you know, the more you realize you don't know.

In some ways it's harder, other ways it's easier.

I remember when whois was the only domainers tool. One tool made it uncomplicated, but many tools like drop services, search and monitoring services, etc. offer more choices.

I remember when there were NO drop services. You had to get online at about 5 am eastern time to pick up drops, because that's when all daily domains expired. A lot more sevices now, but it's all automated. Soon only programmers could pick up domains until namewinner started the public backorder business.

Imagine the future with even more TLD's with even more rules, even more registrars and many of them no longer in English. It's going to get more complicated yet, but on the other hand there will be more competition, more tools, and more choices and opportunities.

 

[RegFee]

Nuclear Physics......The More You Know, The More Complicated It Is!

lol. The worst thing someone can do is stop to reflect. Just keep doing what you're doing man and don't worry about the insanity!

 

[MicroGuy]

I'm trying to figure out a way to 'short' the domain market as a whole. Aftermarket prices will continue to decline for the long-term as more and more TLDs are introduced. To bad ICANN can't take a few notes from OPEC.

 

[AdoptableDomains]

I'm trying to figure out a way to 'short' the domain market was a whole. Aftermarket prices will continue to decline for the long-term as more and more TLDs are introduced. To bad ICANN can't take a few notes from OPEC.

ICANN doesn't care about secondary market prices. The only price they care about is the $.25 per domain they get no matter the gTLD or how crappy the domains are. They don't care if it comes from speculators, companies protecting their TM, or developers.

Be careful what you wish for. If ICANN took notes from OPEC, they would charge what the market would bear. We would be paying $100 per year or more to register a .com, and probably get a larger cut of the drop business.

 

[MicroGuy]

ICANN doesn't care about secondary market prices. The only price they care about is the $.25 per domain they get no matter the gTLD or how crappy the domains are. They don't care if it comes from speculators, companies protecting their TM, or developers.

Be careful what you wish for. If ICANN took notes from OPEC, they would charge what the market would bear. We would be paying $100 per year or more to register a .com, and probably get a larger cut of the drop business.

OPEC may not have been a good example. The Dr. just prescribed HYDROMET syrup for my cough. :cy:

I just wish they would halt the introduction of unnecessary TLDs. The new supply keeps flowing and flowing. I think we're going to see a total collapse of aftermarket prices soon. LLLL.com at reg fee, LLL.com for $xxx, etc., etc.

 

[Seabass]

I'm trying to figure out a way to 'short' the domain market was a whole. Aftermarket prices will continue to decline for the long-term as more and more TLDs are introduced. To bad ICANN can't take a few notes from OPEC.

The exact opposite will happen.

Once there is public awareness of how all the other TLDs are ghost towns they will gravitate back to .com. If you have visited 100 .whatever extension and only eight are developed you will think the extensions sucks b/c you hardly ever get rewarded for your efforts to go to that extension. And, let's face it....folks are lazy and getting to be expert surfers. If they are not rewarded immediately then "poof" they are gone.

Ever single new TLD extension....without offering a "unique" benefit the surfer........is doomed to failure. Also, each new TLD will dilute all the other domains .......but not .com b/c of the "brand" that has been created. Folks will get lost in a sea of .info, .biz, .areo confusion and will always be typing in the wrong extension and getting frustrated.

Also, IF there is a huge swath of development in the other TLDs then they will need traffic, which they don't/won't have, they will need to buy traffic from the generic .com owners and Google/Yahoo etc.... The .com owners then win the game anyhow.

It's extremely hard to get folks to visit a .com.......they surely will be visiting the others just barely if .biz, .info, .euro, .asia are examples of what is in store.

Then you add in higher reg fees, lack of liquidity like the .com, continued momentum of .com development, etc..... and it is a losing proposition to invest in the new TLDs.......unless you are a fast flipper to the uniformed, misguided, or delusional.
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[shockie]

i believe that the same thing goes for most subjects, and the more you read, the more you realize how little you know! :blink:

 

[RegFee]

Wow Seabass! Way to make the OP's point!

I'm trying to figure out a way to 'short' the domain market was a whole. Aftermarket prices will continue to decline for the long-term as more and more TLDs are introduced. To bad ICANN can't take a few notes from OPEC.

The exact opposite will happen.

Once there is public awareness of how all the other TLDs are ghost towns they will gravitate back to .com. If you have visited 100 .whatever extension and only eight are developed you will think the extensions sucks b/c you hardly ever get rewarded for your efforts to go to that extension. And, let's face it....folks are lazy and getting to be expert surfers. If they are not rewarded immediately then "poof" they are gone.

Ever single new TLD extension....without offering a "unique" benefit the surfer........is doomed to failure. Also, each new TLD will dilute all the other domains .......but not .com b/c of the "brand" that has been created. Folks will get lost in a sea of .info, .biz, .areo confusion and will always be typing in the wrong extension and getting frustrated.

Also, IF there is a huge swath of development in the other TLDs then they will need traffic, which they don't/won't have, they will need to buy traffic from the generic .com owners and Google/Yahoo etc.... The .com owners then win the game anyhow.

It's extremely hard to get folks to visit a .com.......they surely will be visiting the others just barely if .biz, .info, .euro, .asia are examples of what is in store.

Then you add in higher reg fees, lack of liquidity like the .com, continued momentum of .com development, etc..... and it is a losing proposition to invest in the new TLDs.......unless you are a fast flipper to the uniformed, misguided, or delusional.
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[dbtbandit67]

No, it's not just you. I just finished cold-mailing 60 end-users through a cold and my head hurts. It's so complicated because I'd rather be sleeping.

 

[henniemeijer]

The exact opposite will happen.

Once there is public awareness of how all the other TLDs are ghost towns they will gravitate back to .com. If you have visited 100 .whatever extension and only eight are developed you will think the extensions sucks b/c you hardly ever get rewarded for your efforts to go to that extension. And, let's face it....folks are lazy and getting to be expert surfers. If they are not rewarded immediately then "poof" they are gone.

Ever single new TLD extension....without offering a "unique" benefit the surfer........is doomed to failure. Also, each new TLD will dilute all the other domains .......but not .com b/c of the "brand" that has been created. Folks will get lost in a sea of .info, .biz, .areo confusion and will always be typing in the wrong extension and getting frustrated.

Also, IF there is a huge swath of development in the other TLDs then they will need traffic, which they don't/won't have, they will need to buy traffic from the generic .com owners and Google/Yahoo etc.... The .com owners then win the game anyhow.

It's extremely hard to get folks to visit a .com.......they surely will be visiting the others just barely if .biz, .info, .euro, .asia are examples of what is in store.

Then you add in higher reg fees, lack of liquidity like the .com, continued momentum of .com development, etc..... and it is a losing proposition to invest in the new TLDs.......unless you are a fast flipper to the uniformed, misguided, or delusional.
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If you consider how many short .com's are parked are you saying most people have experienced this as well and do not visit short .com's in general?
Or are most short .com' developed?
Is it possible people who own other extensions know the .com will get the type in traffic and therefor the non .coms are the domains which will be developed and the experience for users at non .coms becomes more pleasant?
Is there any research in what extension gives the best result for developed sites without being meaningless developed sites(subjective"meaningless").
Or do owners of .coms instinctively(very logically) react and say that .com is the way to go to confirm the idea that they have valuable domains which will only go up in value and investors in other domains are dumb? Anything waht confirms your idea is noted and anything what contradicts your ideas gets neglected is a human reaction.

 

[Archangel]

I've been into this since perhaps 2002 and I gotta say -- it's easy and complicated both. Scanning about 40,000+ expiring domains, negotiating with owners, or sheer luck in finding a jewel unregged... it's hard but worth it if ya try

 

[mwzd]

I'm going to make it real simple now, going to stop buying, have enough Time to sell some.

It used to be tough scanning and rescanning then running metrics and then selecting the most commercial keywords though.

Drop services are good but most of them leave out the most important metrics, which makes wading through tons of domains that much more frustrating.

 

[FreshAvails.com]

It might be complicated, but it is great! I love the find that gem. Long Live the .com hand reg!