Domainers Collectively are Screwing themselves

[YaaDoo]

With the Recent boom of the LLLL.com everyone is looking new opportunities to invest in the so call next boom.

We got a whole bunch of people going after the LLL.in market which is all bought out, the NNNNN.com which is also all bought out and now there`s people talking about an LLLL.net buyout, NNN.co.in buyout, LLL.co.in buyout, Premium LLLLL.com buyou and even some premium LLLL.org buyout.

Honestly, guys wake the frick up. I`m speaking on the behalf of all domainers. We are just collectively dumping all our money and giving it to those large domain register with all these buyouts. What happens with the buyouts? Most of the time you just trade amongst yourself hoping it will boom but chances is the it will just collapse when people renewal year starts to come around.

So many people are just putting too much money into markets that don`t weight out in terms of risk to return. Your 10 fold return with LLL.co.in will never happen, at least not in the next 10 years unless India conquers the world. And even then you won`t get it. Look at what happen to .cn with growing china and huge population. It went no where, and even .us is not worth that much. LLL.us has been up for that long and they are selling for like 40-50 min wholesale. How much do you think LLL.in or LLL.co.in could sustain? The whole market is driven by unlogical optimism due to the LLLL.com.

LLLL.com buyout was logical, NNNN.com buy was logical, its .com. Number 1 extention by far, it`s global, cheap to reg, eveyrone even outside of the domaining industry knows about it and has lots of end users.

Honestly people, if you want get into a boom, Premium LLLL.net is acceptable, NNNNN.com is acceptable(read up more about this, you`ll be surprised at it`s potentional unrealized by many still now)

But LLL.co.in, NNN.co.in, LLLL.org or random thinking of a completely buyout of LLLL.net including random ones and expect it to boom is nonsense. It will not sustain itself with the reg fees. Not for the current foreseeable future that is.

 

[.X.]

Random regging is not good for anyone accept domain registers.

But agree with you about the more of us the higher the collective value of our domains. But to attract new domainers is not reg as many domains as possible, is to show profit, through rise in prices, or regging good names that sell to end users. Like the LLLL.com boom attract a lot of new domainers into the industry.

LLLL.com has definitely attracted a lot of new domainers, But it is still speculation, as to rather they will draw end users, I think the buck stops at LLLL.com, LLLL.net will not prosper, Imo

With the vast majority of the trading of LLLL.com being from domainer to domainer, the future of them end user wise, Is very in doubt, Imo

 

[YaaDoo]

Yes, LLLL.com boom was a lot of speculation too, but it does have a base value. I said it before prior to the LLLL.com drop. I told people that it was too much speculation, once some of the big guys say hey this is the time to cash in, the market will collapse. As the market gets flooded prices go down and people see this and dump it so it drops even more

The drop in LLLL.com is slowing down, now and because it still has some real value it will drop completely through the floor. It will find it's equilibrium. Unless that guy who was arguing with me about LLLL.org. Doesn't matter if its all regged. If it has not real value and just speculation it's going to drop like a rock eventually and stay there. Risky business.

And Like I say again. If you want to invest in a boom, invest it when it's about to come. No point telling me, I bought this because it will be worth a lot in 5-10 year. If that was the case aim to get it at the 4th year. You get a better feel if it will happen as time gets closer, minimizing the risk and also you save yourself the renewal fee. I mean if it's not going to boom you predict til a while. Buy it when it's still cheap and about to go off. Otherwise your just betting on dumb luck.

 

[Keral_Patel]

When I entered here, the 3 characters .coms were going for around 40 - 50.

I wasn't the one who could reg them. But I still took the chances and got them for 50.

Sold some recently For 400 or so each.

Sometimes it is not too late to invest. I am counting my balances every evening nowadays. If the market is going to fall through for 4 letter .coms I will take my share of beating. But before that I will myself buy all the ones that are going below the floor.

Firm decisions are also a factor and the power to invest money for longer terms too.

 

[cache]

there are a few possible outcomes:

1. LLLL.com will rise, LLLL.net will rise
2. LLLL.com will rise, LLLL.net will fall
3. LLLL.com will fall, LLLL.net will rise
4. LLLL.com will fall, LLLL.net will fall

I doubt #3 will happen at the current prices. So if you have fixed amount of money, would you bet on the .com or .net?

The probability favors .com (2/3=0.66 chance)

 

[goodkarmaco]

Would you register come.in

 

[mwzd]

Yadoo, your heart is in the right place, you're trying to save money for noobs who don't know better and might just get involved in buyouts and get hurt by it.

But anyone with money to spend must be allowed to make up his/her own mind, your never going to convince them its for their own good that you are saying what you are.

And you know the old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted" - is absolutely true here too, why wouldn't it be, thats why I tell people to read for 3 months before they buy/reg, but do they?

 

[Ross]

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So when even the worst LLLL.net is taken the prices of LLLL.com are surely going to rise. So the domainers are not making any loss. They just have to hang around for a bit longer, I think.

All those who are buying LLLL.net right now in hope for selling it at $50 are long time investors. They will be paying 1 Year registration and 1 Year renewal atleast.

$16 invested - after 2 years - Maybe $50 for it. - So $34 profit. This could be be on larger scale too.

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I would just like to point out this is the kind of ROI that is what you want in the domainer to domainer world. Even if you hold on to the domain for 2 years imagine if you had 100 of these domains and they all sold at base for $50. Thats literally $3400 in profit not to mention you get ALL of the money you invested back all at once. So thats a nice chunk of change for some names that literally dont even exist in real life.

At YaaDoo, some of these people that are investing these large sums of money could be the next big Domainer. How do you think all these big domainers like Frank Schilling made money. They speculated invested and then cashed out when the market came around.

I would also like to point out that some BIG LLLL.com investors from the buyout have already cashed out and spread the love to hundreds of domainers/end users. I dont see the LLLL.com market falling. Yeah they may drop a little but thats natural when you have hype. They will level out and stay there.

At cache, #3 is pretty much impossible unless .net takes over .com. Its likely that where ever the .coms in going the .net is surely to follow. Its kind of like .net is the 3YO brother following their 11YO curious brother.

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

Would you register come.in

Yes - good name!

 

[R9V.com]

I agree - and Im not going to comment too much, but i know how the LLLL.com buyout was co-ordinated, i was no factor...

 

[YaaDoo]

Yadoo, your heart is in the right place, you're trying to save money for noobs who don't know better and might just get involved in buyouts and get hurt by it.

But anyone with money to spend must be allowed to make up his/her own mind, your never going to convince them its for their own good that you are saying what you are.

And you know the old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted" - is absolutely true here too, why wouldn't it be, thats why I tell people to read for 3 months before they buy/reg, but do they?

Ya your probably right mwzd. Some one threw in the generic name thing again.

Would you register come.in

Please read the thread before you post goodkarmaco. Your just making the thread longer and repeating. If you don't want to read the post above then don't post you'll just be wasting other people's time.

Yes I would reg come.in but not LLLL.com. Would you reg Sexy.name? Why don't you start regging LLLL.name. Get my thrift. Your off topic, your talking about generic names.

 

[Pound]

Please read the thread before you post goodkarmaco. Your just making the thread longer and repeating. If you don't want to read the post above then don't post you'll just be wasting other people's time.

Yes I would reg come.in but not LLLL.com. Would you reg Sexy.name? Why don't you start regging LLLL.name. Get my thrift. Your off topic, your talking about generic names.

Give me one example of a buyout where people who were in it from reg fee are now unable to make a profit on their initial investment? People invest for returns later on, be it through resellers or end users. All the buyouts so far have significant end user potential, thus providing an incentive for resellers to pay more than reg fee.

 

[Tempest111]

Give me one example of a buyout where people who were in it from reg fee are now unable to make a profit on their initial investment? People invest for returns later on, be it through resellers or end users. All the buyouts so far have significant end user potential, thus providing an incentive for resellers to pay more than reg fee.

i dont think yadoo's argument is that people participating in buyouts will lose money. Rather its those who invest in domains simply because a buyout occured. Like if all LLLL.name domains were sold out today, sure those guys who paid reg fee could make some money. But when newcomers buy them from resellers simply because they're sold out they'll be left holding the bag when the bubble hits.

 

[Pound]

i dont think yadoo's argument is that people participating in buyouts will lose money. Rather its those who invest in domains simply because a buyout occured. Like if all LLLL.name domains were sold out today, sure those guys who paid reg fee could make some money. But when newcomers buy them from resellers simply because they're sold out they'll be left holding the bag when the bubble hits.

Noone buys simply because there are none left. The reason there has been no LLL.name buyout is simply because there is no demand from endusers, thus a non-existant aftermarket or one without good future prospects (unlike a speculative TLD such as .in).

 

[Alex]

Noone buys simply because there are none left.

I would disagree with this. There are many impulsive buys by domainers without thinking whether the investment is good or not. They buy because others are in too.

And I do not want to talk about a particular niche, but there are some domain driven niche buyouts.

The purpose of the thread is good, I just do not like that it became a thread about discussing LLL.in's (and I have a different POV about them than the OP).

Everybody should ask themselves twice if the market they invest in is in fact a profitable one, and have a sort of business plan in mind. Too often I do not see that, and I see people driven by buyouts (because others are investing there too).

 

[YaaDoo]

There are speculation of end users. That's one thing. Then there's speculation that there will be speculators. And that's what's happening here. We got all these speculations that there are speculators. There's no base of end users, there for when it drops lots of people are going to get hurt, cause it ain't coming back up.

Also I'd just like to say that LLLL.net quad premium pretty low considering quad prems for LLLL.com is like $400. If you go an try to buy random LLLL.net because there are people saying that a buy is coming. I think someone said xxx LLLL.net being regged everyday. So think about it, a random LLLL.com is $40. Why would you reg a random one for $7 when you can buy a quad prem for like $15. I'd be really surprise if random LLLL.net be worth anything in the near future in all honesty. Same with LLLL.org and all of .co.in.

LLL.in a bigger chance but in the end I still got doubts with them.
Best bet I still think is Quad Prem LLLL.net or NNNNN.com.

 

[kemjika11]

If i see a certain category of names is geting bought out(like LLLL.com or LLL.in last year or so, etc) i would try and buy a few, because its like a possibly profitable train ride you don't want to miss. Buyouts are powerful because they are sometimes bought because of image and hype. But in the end, this hype automatically raises demand, cuts off supply and creates profitable aftermarket deals.

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

I would disagree with this. There are many impulsive buys by domainers without thinking whether the investment is good or not. They buy because others are in too.

And I do not want to talk about a particular niche, but there are some domain driven niche buyouts.

The purpose of the thread is good, I just do not like that it became a thread about discussing LLL.in's (and I have a different POV about them than the OP).

Everybody should ask themselves twice if the market they invest in is in fact a profitable one, and have a sort of business plan in mind. Too often I do not see that, and I see people driven by buyouts (because others are investing there too).

I dont disagree in general with much of what you say. I believe its important to note that for every impulsive buyer of proforma LLL LLLL NNNNN etc, there are people who let their names drop. I believe that at the present time, the reggers exceed the droppers but if this trend were reversed, then prices would drop as surely supply would decrease: the market conditions in domain names are close to perfect, from a microeconomic point of view - i.e. information about prices is good, we all have access to largely the same information. Therefore I believe that a typical microeconomic model applies to domain name investment/pricing, in the absence of a huge structural or legal change.

 

[Keral_Patel]

Sorry if being off topic but thought would share some tips for those who purchase even after the buyout just for the sake of buying it as they missed out the buyout phase.

EX: I have 2 LLLL.com domains [Regged way before buyout]

After buyout I think I should have regged 50 or 100 or even 500 of them.

So what I do now is I start buying at $50 so that I can jump into water and swim to the boat which I missed earlier.

Sometimes buying after buyout is also profitable. But its more risky. When buying random stuff. [Still not saying that random stuff has values or it doesn't has value. I am just saying it can be more risky compared to registrations prior to buyout as you are investing $50 instead of $8]

Some people prefer to invest after buyout. Because what if the buyout takes around 4 years. Why to keep paying up the renewal fees of 1000's of domains and waste the investing power. That money in right place would generate more revenue. And you can buy the domains instantly after the buyout from others with paying some more amount.

For all those who purchase after buyout and have limited number of domains, like say 40 or 50 LLLL.coms purchased after the buyout at the rate of $50 each. It is still risky can swing both ways. Just a $5 drop in prices will cost $5 x 50 = $250 loss out of your $2500 investment.

If you are buying then buy the domains that you yourself can develop or get it developed. This way you will be able to get your investments back and it will open up a new door for generating profits from the domains you purchased after the buyout and that particular buyout fell upside down on the floor.

1 Personal experience. - I purchased 50 .info's in 2005 as they were $1 each.
Next year it was renewal time :D

It was just $50 investment that would go wrong if I just dumped them. But if I continued with it then it would cost me $400 for renewals.

I thought I will develop them and get $400 out from it. So I can renew them.

I started putting up some free scripts and all stuff on it. Prior to 1 month of expiry.

Renewed them.

3 months and got 170 revenue from all 50 sites combined. Which isn't much. But yeah I wasn't even spending much time after it.

Sold some for $10 each. [Developed site for $10 each] It went fast.

Sold rest for $25 to $100 range each.

Totals I don't know but in end I managed to get all the investments out plus the money for my efforts.

 

[bbalegere]

I agree.Until renewal fees for LLL.in and LLL.co.in are reduced ,there won't be any chance of getting good sales.
Maybe in another 10 years,when the number of domainers from Indian increase.

 

[mwzd]

I agree.Until renewal fees for LLL.in and LLL.co.in are reduced ,there won't be any chance of getting good sales.
Maybe in another 10 years,when the number of domainers from Indian increase.

Bharat, .co.in renewal is $8, .in renewal at $15. Hardly a consideration when you're looking to sell each domain for $50-$50,000 I would say.

As for good sales, they happen all the time, for the right keywords and domains. Even crappy LLL.ins that were bought for $4 in dec are today worth $20, how is that a bad sale?

Also, in 10 years, each of the single keywords, LLL.in, LLLL.in will be unaffordable for the most of us, we should ideally be selling way before then in fact. Your logic escapes me.