Domainers Collectively are Screwing themselves

[YaaDoo]

With the Recent boom of the LLLL.com everyone is looking new opportunities to invest in the so call next boom.

We got a whole bunch of people going after the LLL.in market which is all bought out, the NNNNN.com which is also all bought out and now there`s people talking about an LLLL.net buyout, NNN.co.in buyout, LLL.co.in buyout, Premium LLLLL.com buyou and even some premium LLLL.org buyout.

Honestly, guys wake the frick up. I`m speaking on the behalf of all domainers. We are just collectively dumping all our money and giving it to those large domain register with all these buyouts. What happens with the buyouts? Most of the time you just trade amongst yourself hoping it will boom but chances is the it will just collapse when people renewal year starts to come around.

So many people are just putting too much money into markets that don`t weight out in terms of risk to return. Your 10 fold return with LLL.co.in will never happen, at least not in the next 10 years unless India conquers the world. And even then you won`t get it. Look at what happen to .cn with growing china and huge population. It went no where, and even .us is not worth that much. LLL.us has been up for that long and they are selling for like 40-50 min wholesale. How much do you think LLL.in or LLL.co.in could sustain? The whole market is driven by unlogical optimism due to the LLLL.com.

LLLL.com buyout was logical, NNNN.com buy was logical, its .com. Number 1 extention by far, it`s global, cheap to reg, eveyrone even outside of the domaining industry knows about it and has lots of end users.

Honestly people, if you want get into a boom, Premium LLLL.net is acceptable, NNNNN.com is acceptable(read up more about this, you`ll be surprised at it`s potentional unrealized by many still now)

But LLL.co.in, NNN.co.in, LLLL.org or random thinking of a completely buyout of LLLL.net including random ones and expect it to boom is nonsense. It will not sustain itself with the reg fees. Not for the current foreseeable future that is.

 

[wot]

Personally see little value in those lll/nnn .co.in/ .in thingies- far too short to have any meaning - Indians bah- only a few of them anyway- wasn't that something to with the cowboys or that Custer guy :?

 

[ahtum]

With the Recent boom of the LLLL.com everyone is looking new opportunities to invest in the so call next boom.

We got a whole bunch of people going after the LLL.in market which is all bought out, the NNNNN.com which is also all bought out and now there`s people talking about an LLLL.net buyout, NNN.co.in buyout, LLL.co.in buyout, Premium LLLLL.com buyou and even some premium LLLL.org buyout.

Honestly, guys wake the frick up. I`m speaking on the behalf of all domainers. We are just collectively dumping all our money and giving it to those large domain register with all these buyouts. What happens with the buyouts? Most of the time you just trade amongst yourself hoping it will boom but chances is the it will just collapse when people renewal year starts to come around.

So many people are just putting too much money into markets that don`t weight out in terms of risk to return. Your 10 fold return with LLL.co.in will never happen, at least not in the next 10 years unless India conquers the world. And even then you won`t get it. Look at what happen to .cn with growing china and huge population. It went no where, and even .us is not worth that much. LLL.us has been up for that long and they are selling for like 40-50 min wholesale. How much do you think LLL.in or LLL.co.in could sustain? The whole market is driven by unlogical optimism due to the LLLL.com.

LLLL.com buyout was logical, NNNN.com buy was logical, its .com. Number 1 extention by far, it`s global, cheap to reg, eveyrone even outside of the domaining industry knows about it and has lots of end users.

Honestly people, if you want get into a boom, Premium LLLL.net is acceptable, NNNNN.com is acceptable(read up more about this, you`ll be surprised at it`s potentional unrealized by many still now)

But LLL.co.in, NNN.co.in, LLLL.org or random thinking of a completely buyout of LLLL.net including random ones and expect it to boom is nonsense. It will not sustain itself with the reg fees. Not for the current foreseeable future that is.

Did it hurt ?

 

[Travis]

I personally don't think LLLL.nets with bad letters will be worth anything for some years. The LLLL.coms are the same way right now, but it's bound to change at one point. Who's to say that in 3 years all of the good short domains aren't used as websites? There has to be an alternative. Some may seek the use of those bad LLLL.coms, others may go to the premium LLLL.nets, which is where I'm investing.

One day India will be a big user of the internet. That will be the day that LLL.ins pick up in value. Most of these types of domain names will have their day at some point. It could be a few months, and it could be a few years. I'm sure the people who registered XQY.com type domains some years back got crap for it. I seriously doubt they are complaining today with a minimum market value of around 5-6 grand.

 

[tpruby]

The only consistent profit I have ever made is on LLL.in and every single LLL.co.in I have sold has been for profit....that's why I picked up a bunch more premium letter LLL.co.in's.

I'm not sure the OP is that informed on the real market for LLL.co.in.

 

[onewordonly]

some good points here, it is just like anything you have to think ahead and decide if it looks like a good investment. The people who make the wrong choice are what makes the people who do make the right choices a profit.

 

[kemjika11]

Ya, I suppose they wouldn't be happy to hear that but maybe it will slow them down on regging. I had like 10 LLL.in releatively goods ones which I just recently dumped.

you dropped 10 nice LLL.in(s)??????????? :yell:

sounds a bit naive to me, or maybe you were just too impatient to let them mature a bit.

 

[YaaDoo]

I didn't let them drop, I sold them for rather cheap.

 

[.X.]

It's called speculation ... It's been going on in Every Industry of the World for as long as there has been Industries. Sometimes it pays off - Sometimes it doesn't ...

I'll agree many times the Hype is just too much on the latest Fad or Trends - But it won't change

Werd

It will never stop.

 

[kemjika11]

This thread actually kind of depresses me. I can't believe that yadoo actually has this pessimistic thread in his signature. The domain industry floats and exists because of speculation, as said before on this thread. I have HOPE in this industry, and thats what keeps me going and rereggin names. This thread sucks! sorry

 

[Ross]

I say let people speculate and spend their money how they wish. Who cares if people think that LLLL.org will be worth tons(who knows it might be one day). Let them spend their money where they want. "A smart man will make money were money is to be earned." This quote applies to where YOU think the money is. Dont hate on the people that think there is money in something that no one knows if there really is. Its called speculation and as stated in this thread it is in every industry in the world and has been around for, well, forever.

 

[YaaDoo]

Yes, it is speculation and it has always been there. But right now there seems to be over speculation, and some that don't make much sense. What happens to these speculations is they will collapse and someone will lose a lot of money. Maybe a few may make some money in the process but over all it will be a loss for domainers considering all the different buyouts that's occurring.

I have no authority of telling people how to spend their money, I'm only expressing my opinion and to domainers as a whole.

And your right LLLL.org may be worth something one day. You can say the same for anything. But you don't put money where you don't see the money coming in a foreseeable future. That's just not logical and a waste of money.
And if you going to tell me that a random LLLL.org is going to be worth something soon. Then I'm going to tell you that your wrong.

This thread actually kind of depresses me. I can't believe that yadoo actually has this pessimistic thread in his signature. The domain industry floats and exists because of speculation, as said before on this thread. I have HOPE in this industry, and thats what keeps me going and rereggin names. This thread sucks! sorry

Sry, kemjika11 for depressing you but it might just end up saving you some money in the end. I see that you had reg some NNN.co.in, well then maybe you should consider stopping.

I do have hope also in this industry too, but not for NNN.co.in though. For NNNNN.com or maybe premium LLLL.nets.

 

[lipps]

If you have a domain say money.in as a lllll.in then how could that not be considered a good domain. yet qzrurw.in
There is always gonig to be speculation. Some correct some not.
Would I spend $1000 on LLLLL.net's for a buyout? probably not, but would I spend $1000 on money.net or money.org or even credit.us YES.
As far as the co.xx the org.xx etc I own 411.org.uk and creditcard.net.nz traffic is nill. They are just not picked up well in the serps. And hell If it was creditcard.net or anything else I would be sitting pretty.
Just some thoughts.

 

[HBK216]

You are right in saying you have no authority in saying what people should spend their money on. You also have no authority to say what will & will not make money. Can you have an opinion, sure you have a right to it. However to state it as it if is fact which is how you come across, that is a different story.

 

[YaaDoo]

If you have a domain say money.in as a lllll.in then how could that not be considered a good domain. yet qzrurw.in
There is always gonig to be speculation. Some correct some not.
Would I spend $1000 on LLLLL.net's for a buyout? probably not, but would I spend $1000 on money.net or money.org or even credit.us YES.
As far as the co.xx the org.xx etc I own 411.org.uk and creditcard.net.nz traffic is nill. They are just not picked up well in the serps. And hell If it was creditcard.net or anything else I would be sitting pretty.
Just some thoughts.

How many times do I have to over stuff like this. Why do people throw out these nonsense comments and think they know what they are talking about.

If you got a generic domain, like sex no matter on what extention its good. But does this mean that you should for LLL.name buyout? Because I'm sure sex.name is worth something.
If you got a word domain it's classifyed as a generic dictionary word not LLL or LLLL.

You also have no authority to say what will & will not make money. Can you have an opinion, sure you have a right to it.

I have absolute opinion to say what will or will not make money. It's an opinion ^_^

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

Actually, I believe that each and every time any one domain is registered, the value of the other domains rises very very very slightly. Its a simple issue of supply and demand. If there is less supply and demand goes up (due to hype) then the price will go up and up.

This leads to more interest and more regging. My view is that unlike other bubbles, people who are regging rather than buying these proforma domains are investing a few dollars and limiting their annual involvement to that. So the bubble is not full of people who are buying at the top. Its quite a solid structure in my view.

Unless there is a radical restructure of how the net works, these domains are likely to rise in value from zero to reg fee to $$ slowly in my view.

Best of luck to every domainer - the more of us there are, the higher the collective value of our domains!

 

[YaaDoo]

Random regging is not good for anyone accept domain registers.

But agree with you about the more of us the higher the collective value of our domains. But to attract new domainers is not reg as many domains as possible, is to show profit, through rise in prices, or regging good names that sell to end users. Like the LLLL.com boom attract a lot of new domainers into the industry.

 

[Pommy - The DN Doc]

I think that LLL LLLL NNNNN and generics in most of what has been discussed could form the basis of a sensible long term investment. The lack of supply of LLLL.coms has certainly increased their value.

People have seen that and it seems natural to try LLLL.net - they will either prove to be very clever, gaining a few hundred $ or a little stupid losing a reg fee X no. years. The balance would appear to lie in the direction of cleverness.

Edit

Reading above again - this thread does not suck! Dont blindly act, thats why I read these posts. There is always a chance that an investment strategy could be wrong. Reflective registration not blind hope is more likely to lead to success, :imho:

 

[YaaDoo]

I think that LLL LLLL NNNNN and generics in most of what has been discussed could form the basis of a sensible long term investment. The lack of supply of LLLL.coms has certainly increased their value.

Agreed

People have seen that and it seems natural to try LLLL.net - they will either prove to be very clever, gaining a few hundred $ or a little stupid losing a reg fee X no. years. The balance would appear to lie in the direction of cleverness.

For LLLL.net though, I'd only stick to premiums for now. The reason I say this is because regging random ones doesn't make sense in this point of time. Let's use LLL.com and LLL.net as an example. Min wholesale price is what? Like 7-8 times less for .net.

If the Min wholesale price for LLLL.com right now is only $40 right now. I would not even think about regging random LLLL.net. I would have to disagree with you one this, because I think the balance would appear to lie in the direction of a little stupid. However Premium LLLL.net, no problem, risk of regging not that large and there is value for them. Plus Premium LLLL.com are at like Min $400+ right now.

 

[Ross]

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And your right LLLL.org may be worth something one day. You can say the same for anything. But you don't put money where you don't see the money coming in a foreseeable future. That's just not logical and a waste of money.
And if you going to tell me that a random LLLL.org is going to be worth something soon. Then I'm going to tell you that your wrong.

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What makes you think the people investing in these names don't see money in them?

I know someone that has been investing in quality LLLL.nets for over a year. Even before the LLLL.com buyout. Look what happened the buyout of good quality LLLL.nets has happened they are worth more than what they regged for. IMO this is good ROI and can make you lots of money. There is more than just one way to make money domaining. In some instances that means cashing in on HYPE. Do what you want but a wise man will go where the money is no matter what the reasoning behind it is.

 

[Keral_Patel]

In 4 Letter .coms it was already been used by many end users and there were some left out. The buyout was bound to happen sooner or later.

Now if people stop investing into other buyouts then the prices of 4 letter .com will rise like a rocket. [Which isn't happening right now as they are putting their money into other TLD's]

So..... Is this the loss to the domainers?

Looking at it from a different angle is something like this. That people will eventually succeed in some buyouts. EX: LLLL.net Maybe.

So when even the worst LLLL.net is taken the prices of LLLL.com are surely going to rise. So the domainers are not making any loss. They just have to hang around for a bit longer, I think.

All those who are buying LLLL.net right now in hope for selling it at $50 are long time investors. They will be paying 1 Year registration and 1 Year renewal atleast.

$16 invested - after 2 years - Maybe $50 for it. - So $34 profit. This could be be on larger scale too.

While some people who want to make profit right then and there. Invests in LLLL.com or LLL.com today also.

They have to hold onto it for less time and it is more comfortable in selling that type of domains.

There are profits in both ways. Depends on what kind of thinking he or she has.