Discuss BrandBucket Rejects

[starizec]

My rejected names
R e c y c l i f y
S q u a d T a s k
F e a t f u l
E x c e s i o r

Any thoughts?

 

[equity78]

First of all, my apologies that my post concerned something belonging to you. I did not do whois and did not mean anything personal.

Second, my bad, it is a philosophical term.

But then, BB does not accept names because it is a term. I have plenty of terms and dictionary words rejected. Including a good legal term "injunct" (=to restrain by injunction).

I don't want to do specific examples anymore, as it always seems to concern interests of investors and I don't want that.

Basically, point was, keep your eyes open, BB view on domain value is not often any better than Estibot valuations. Don't buy names because they are BB approved, don't get rid of good names, because BB rejected them. It is just another metrics like estibot, domain age, searches etc.

Oh I don't mind you discussing it, I think it is such a subjective niche that discussion is good. Because it is hard to determine criteria for a specific website when we all see names that we feel don't match their stated philosophy.

 

[Grilled]

Basically, point was, keep your eyes open, BB view on domain value is not often any better than Estibot valuations

Can you imagine if Estibot had a marketplace that charged $10 listing fee's to sell your domains at Estibot appraised value? Because I found Estibot before I found NamePros when I first started out, I would have blindly bought into the listing fee system with some highly appraised Estibot domains that would likely never sell.

Don't buy names because they are BB approved, don't get rid of good names, solely because BB rejected them

Great point! I added bold, and 'solely' to your quoted post above.

I did this, because there are times when BB does you a favor and rejects a domain that will likely never sell on their marketplace, or any other marketplace for that matter. Some rejects should definitely be sold, or dropped. Some brandable domains are valuable even if BB can't sell them for $XXXX, you can still sell them for XX - XXX elsewhere, or even $X,XXX on large networks like AfterNic or Sedo. There are some BB published domains, that people who don't buy into the BB hype would NEVER fay $X for a random lower quality BB domain.

Have you read Why would anybody sell a bb listed domain for low XX thread? HERE Resellers are sharing their experiences. I learned a lot from reading what others had to say.

Oh I don't mind you discussing it, I think it is such a subjective niche that discussion is good. Because it is hard to determine criteria for a specific website when we all see names that we feel don't match their stated philosophy.

Thanks for understanding. It's pretty cool of you!

I also believe this type of discussion could lead to a positive outcome. All sellers need have an understanding of the approval system, not just insiders...

 

[Recons.Com]

Can you imagine if Estibot had a marketplace that charged $10 listing fee's to sell your domains at Estibot appraised value? Because I found Estibot before I found NamePros when I first started out, I would have blindly bought into the listing fee system with some highly appraised Estibot domains that would likely never sell.



Great point! I added bold, and 'solely' to your quoted post above.

I did this, because there are times when BB does you a favor and rejects a domain that will likely never sell on their marketplace, or any other marketplace for that matter. Some rejects should definitely be sold, or dropped. Some brandable domains are valuable even if BB can't sell them for $XXXX, you can still sell them for XX - XXX elsewhere, or even $X,XXX on large networks like AfterNic or Sedo. There are some BB published domains, that people who don't buy into the BB hype would NEVER fay $X for a random lower quality BB domain.

Well, if it is about the times they get it right about bad domains, then even flipping a coin gets you right answer SOMETIMES.

The point is very often their evaluation of a name is a) based on their priorities of what their marketplace needs (great domains, not good ones, those they can supply themselves cheaply and keep 100%, certain patterns that they want to "corner the market", even though it is doubtful those are good for end business); b) based on who is submitting the names.

That makes their opinion useless for valuation of a domain. Well, if you use this algorithm, it can still be useful:

a) you are unrelated and they want your domain
- Well, you have a great domain! (or just the pattern they are cornering)
b) you are unrelated and they don't want your domain
- You might have a keeper, but they don't want it as it would need a push to sell and they have their own inventory for that;
- You might have a trash.
So use other valuation method

c) you are "inside the circle" and they want your domain
- You might have a great domain, but could have a borderline trashy one as well.
d) you are "inside the circle" and they don't want your domain.
- Either you have a definite trash or you need to improve your position under the sun "inside the circle".

 

[platey]

Hi Everyone,

I hope you all are doing well.

If you have BB rejects that you'd like me to comment on please don't hesitate to ask.

I'm not a super expert, but I do have a pretty high acceptance rate and I'm willing to help.

there should be a thread that list all domain names rejected by BB that way everyone including those new to domain name investing can see the domain names not to buy if planning to submit them to BB

and their should be a trademark checking thread where peolpe can post a domain to be trademark checked by NP members that way we all know if a domain name infringes a trademark and also the good ones that are trademark free

 

[hookbox]

there should be a thread that list all domain names rejected by BB that way everyone including those new to domain name investing can see the domain names not to buy if planning to submit them to BB

and their should be a trademark checking thread where peolpe can post a domain to be trademark checked by NP members that way we all know if a domain name infringes a trademark and also the good ones that are trademark free

That would make the value of those domains go down because everyone would consider them rejects. No one in their right mind would think this is a good idea.

Check trademarks at Trademarkia.com / LegalForce.com

 

[goffee]

They didnt take that name?

Yes. I wonder why they didn't take that name.

 

[RozasMD]

Basically, point was, keep your eyes open, BB view on domain value is not often any better than Estibot valuations. Don't buy names because they are BB approved, don't get rid of good names, because BB rejected them. It is just another metrics like estibot, domain age, searches etc.

In fact, there are real brands out there, real big brands worth millions, I wouldn't have thought of hand registering ever in my life. My bad, I guess, but some of them really look completely un-brandable to me... and I'm sure BB would have rejected them.

This is such a subjective matter that no one can claim to have a master key for it. I guess everyone has to try to develop a particular value system for names. 95% of BB names will remain unsold each year anyway. BB's point of view is useful, but it must not be the only value factor.

 

[Joe N]

Still operating at a 50% clip. 3 of my last 6 accepted. Here are the rejects:

Fisqa - Thought it was a pretty solid, pronounceable 5L. A nice take on "fiscal" with a fresh sound that reminded me of Fresca.

FormFrog - Love the alliteration. Versatile too, as it could apply to actual forms, writing, or even fitness.

Techzotic - Texotic likely would be accepted, but I like that this one is specific to "tech" where the other speaks more to texting or textiles. I guess the lack of intuitive spelling hurt this one.

Would love some other feedback.

 

[Joe N]

Some others (some of these really surprised me):

BuildVine - Lots of action word + vine names already on there. Thought this one would be a great fit.

Zigzab - They have Zigzat. Too similar?

Empiricare - Empirical Care. Seemed like a great fit, sounds nice, and health care is such a big industry. Perhaps the meaning isn't obvious enough.

Buxem - Too suggestive...??

Vectivity - Play on "vector", which BB seems to like. This one I understand might be too many syllables, though. And perhaps not apparent enough, since their other names contain the whole word "vector".

 

[Recons.Com]

FormFrog is great and should not be a reject, but again does not match BB patterns (which does not mean it is good or bad).

BB has only 1 name with Frog in it, UP and FROG.

But of course, no matter what BB tries to persuade us that real companies/startups want (MK would claim he has fantastic experience in it), there are a lot of companies using it. Example LeapFrog - educational programs and toys for kids.

Other examples, SunFrog, EmeraldFrog, FrogDesign, RedFrogEvents, SweetFrog, InternetFrog, TheFrigidFrog, Frog's Whiskers Ink, FrogTape, Frog's Leap and thousands of others.

Here is an article in Forbes magazine:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2012/05/27/why-brand-building-is-important/#10d74fd41e72

It is about brand building important by a founder of ... StrawberryFrog. The guy has written a book on branding and chose for himself a "Frog" name, while MK/BB will tell you "companies don't want them"/"it is bad for business".

While they, of course, name themselves all the time with the things from mediaplow offerings, like "up/the/gut", "timed/perfectly", "strictly/fans" (fan/basic was rejected, mind you), "poach/ly" (region/ly was rejected), "work/politics" (seriously?!), "tempest/labs", "valid/ventures" (long, plural, not brilliant meaning), "play/logical" and hundreds of others.

If you think you could get those type of names in not being MK/other insider, think again...

 

[Zoltan P.]

mealroute

lots of meal names on BB. I just saw a delivery startup using meal+ name in Vancouver.

foodroute - listed for $5695

Love to hear some feedback.

 

[platey]

In fact, there are real brands out there, real big brands worth millions, I wouldn't have thought of hand registering ever in my life. My bad, I guess, but some of them really look completely un-brandable to me... and I'm sure BB would have rejected them.

This is such a subjective matter that no one can claim to have a master key for it. I guess everyone has to try to develop a particular value system for names. 95% of BB names will remain unsold each year anyway. BB's point of view is useful, but it must not be the only value factor.

if we all had to either pass or reject the sheer quantity of potential domains submitted to bb each year there would be some we reject that bb accept and the other way round

but the end user that develops the brand in to a successful business can make a brand out of nothing and make a successful business without needing a brand etc but just prefers a decent brand

a brand is what a person makes of it

 

[platey]

mealroute

lots of meal names on BB. I just saw a delivery startup using meal+ name in Vancouver.

foodroute - listed for $5695

Love to hear some feedback.

i own grocerytakeaway.com but i reckon instead of having meals delivered i reckon chefs etc will come to a persons house and cook for them in their house using their ow ingredients eg rent a chef/cook kitchen rental etc purely as an example

 

[platey]

allegedly - my sexydarts.com betpizza.com and tifna.com have been rejected by bb

 

[Joe N]

allegedly - my sexydarts.com betpizza.com and tifna.com have been rejected by bb

The first two have two big negatives happening:

• No clear meaning, and the two words don't make sense together
• Not broad enough in their possible applications.

Tifna sounds cool, but again there's no word or meaning associated to it (as far as I can tell).

 

[platey]

The first two have two big negatives happening:

• No clear meaning, and the two words don't make sense together
• Not broad enough in their possible applications.

Tifna sounds cool, but again there's no word or meaning associated to it (as far as I can tell).

good analysis much appreciated

all 3 bought at reg fee so not that fussed if i sit on them for a bit

i should be able to sell tifna i'd have thought

 

[Joe N]

good analysis much appreciated

all 3 bought at reg fee so not that fussed if i sit on them for a bit

i should be able to sell tifna i'd have thought

Honestly, the 5L names they have on there are a mystery to me a lot of the time. Often it seems the only thing they have going for them is that they sound cool. But I figure that if I at least stick to ones that sound cool and have an implied meaning, I give myself a better chance of a sale, either on BB or elsewhere.

 

[platey]

Honestly, the 5L names they have on there are a mystery to me a lot of the time. Often it seems the only thing they have going for them is that they sound cool. But I figure that if I at least stick to ones that sound cool and have an implied meaning, I give myself a better chance of a sale, either on BB or elsewhere.

i reckon 5 letter .com's will eventually be like 3 letter .com's are now where with 3 letter .com's eg the 3 letters dont have to mean anything as trying to find a 3 letter .com is hard enough as it is

4 letter . com's are fast getting that way and 5 letter .com's have started to go that way and as more people access the net and need a domain name 5 letter .com's will be all snapped up

and the 5 letter .com's being snapped up will affect bb because having looked at the bb site there are a lot of 5 letter . com's as brands i have still found 50 + 5 letter .com's that are potentially brandable

it seems to me tho that for a domain to be accepted on bb it has to be a word or combination of two words that would noy sell elsewhere?

 

[Recons.Com]

allegedly - my sexydarts.com betpizza.com and tifna.com have been rejected by bb

The first two have two big negatives happening:

• No clear meaning, and the two words don't make sense together
• Not broad enough in their possible applications.

Tifna sounds cool, but again there's no word or meaning associated to it (as far as I can tell).

That has never been criteria for admitting to BB, although a bonus if there is association with a valuable keyword. Most 5L pronounceables will not have that, as there are only few 3L words to build combo of LLL+LL around and for 4L words you can add just few letters.

Just go to BB and check newly added names for 5Ls. Tifna is a good name. All prem letters, easy to pronounce, not confusable.

 

[equity78]

In fact, there are real brands out there, real big brands worth millions, I wouldn't have thought of hand registering ever in my life. My bad, I guess, but some of them really look completely un-brandable to me... and I'm sure BB would have rejected them.

This is such a subjective matter that no one can claim to have a master key for it. I guess everyone has to try to develop a particular value system for names. 95% of BB names will remain unsold each year anyway. BB's point of view is useful, but it must not be the only value factor.

You are spot on, it happens a lot, a successful business does not mean that the name was great, it is only after the fact that the name is accepted and sometimes deemed brilliant.

Business founders name their companies after pets, frat house nicknames, a combination of two words they think sound cool that have no real life meaning etc...So one always has to separate the business idea and the branding/naming concept. Sometimes they work in harmony and other times the business is successful in spite of the name.