"Define Legit Traffic"

[Kenny]

This is carried over from another thread...

Have at it boys and girls.

Cy

 

[goodkarmaco]

Most parking companies will ban a person if they blatently have a ad on their vehicle.

Not too wise to run a newspaper ad either as that is not going to make the parking company happy. Energy can be put to better use then spending all that kind of effort trying to get traffic to a parked name.

Why not register names that have that natural traffic?. I mean if the name is good enough then taking out ads will not be needed.

If ads are needed to be taken out for a parked page then the owner has no concept what domain parking is.

 

[DnPresident]

Most parking companies will ban a person if they blatently have a ad on their vehicle.
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I've got one of my names on my trucks. I'm not promising, begging or even asking anyone to type it in there browser. If the name is generic and describes it's self to be a product your interested in say (GreenCarpet) then great, if not that's great as well.

Where does it say not to put a name on your vehicle? It's not like they can click on it, they have to actually remember it until they get to a computer and then type it in. I'm sure it's all the attraction but thanks for the warning.

Haven't seen anyone mention running a newspaper ad but you. Did I miss a post?

 

[Varon]

The goal should be to get the domain parking management to come in and answer queries related to a vast variety of questions. Not just backlinks. The directory/backlinks were just the initial questions.

It would be nice if we could get an understanding of many other factors like

Geo locaton and CPC comparisons
What are the bad traffic areas if any (firstly I hate to call any geo traffic as "bad"). Which parking companies accept traffic from these "so called bad/grey areas".
CPA options and who currently offers them. Other options.
Keyword questions, usage of multiple keyword options via separators
How do parking companies actually optimize or drive traffic to domains. A myth or a reality.
Parked domain indexing possibilities and current availability.

And tons of more questions. I have been browsing through many of our threads here and have seen these questions being asked with no definitive answer. It would be great if a few parking companies give us their viewpoint on this. It would also be awesome if we could make parking companies more flexible in giving us some scope to better monetize our domains.

For example, we now know that parked.com is open to adword campaign traffic to its parked domains. This fact alone can help so many domaineers make double the income they are currently making. Getting to know such facts directly from the paring companies will help us better monetize our domains with valid information.

 

[goodkarmaco]

I don't think a post was directly stating to buy a ad in a newspaper to promote a parked domain. After saying that I do think some domaners think that it is ok. I also know a seasoned domainer who lost his parking account with a prominent parking company for having a sign on his vehicle promoting visitors to his parked page. Not that a person would be easily caught doing this as what parking personal will run to their computer and look up every name splashed on the side of a car to see if it is a parked page or not. But what I understand is even this kind of advertising for parking names is not protocol for the best of the parking companies.

 

[DnPresident]

I also know a seasoned domainer who lost his parking account with a prominent parking company for having a sign on his vehicle promoting visitors to his parked page. Not that a person would be easily caught doing this as what parking personal will run to their computer and look up every name splashed on the side of a car to see if it is a parked page or not. But what I understand is even this kind of advertising for parking names is not protocol for the best of the parking companies.

Have you been reading the posts in this thread of advertising methods?

It wouldn't make sense to me to be able to run an ad that all someone has to do is click on but not be able to put it on your automobile.

So what parking company was it that you speak of which forced a domainer from his parking privileges for having a name on his vehicle?

 

[.X.]

Most parking companies will ban a person if they blatently have a ad on their vehicle.

Not too wise to run a newspaper ad either as that is not going to make the parking company happy. Energy can be put to better use then spending all that kind of effort trying to get traffic to a parked name.

Why not register names that have that natural traffic?. I mean if the name is good enough then taking out ads will not be needed.

If ads are needed to be taken out for a parked page then the owner has no concept what domain parking is.

Registering names that have traffic, would be the ideal thing to do, The only problem, It is virtually impossible to reg such names, You will have to go to drop catchers sites, and bid a minimum of $60 per name, Everyone wants traffic names, There for your backorder of $60 turns into a purchase of $300+ , to be able to obtain a traffic name. And after purchasing such a name, There is no guarantee, the name will retain it's traffic, Once parked, The name can loose it's traffic in a very short period of time. there are many misconceptions of "Natural Traffic"

I don't think a post was directly stating to buy a ad in a newspaper to promote a parked domain. After saying that I do think some domaners think that it is ok. I also know a seasoned domainer who lost his parking account with a prominent parking company for having a sign on his vehicle promoting visitors to his parked page. Not that a person would be easily caught doing this as what parking personal will run to their computer and look up every name splashed on the side of a car to see if it is a parked page or not. But what I understand is even this kind of advertising for parking names is not protocol for the best of the parking companies.

That seasoned domainer you know, Who lost thier account, Because they had a sign on thier vehicle as means of promoting a domain name, Was treated un fairly by the parking company who closed account for this reason, imo , I don't care , and i am sure the person you know whos account was closed due to this doesn't either, How prominent this company is, If they are not paying me monthly, How prominent they be in the industry, makes me difference, If i am not making money with them, I could careless, and move on. I am sure he did the same.

The goal should be to get the domain parking management to come in and answer queries related to a vast variety of questions. Not just backlinks. The directory/backlinks were just the initial questions.

It would be nice if we could get an understanding of many other factors like

Geo locaton and CPC comparisons
What are the bad traffic areas if any (firstly I hate to call any geo traffic as "bad"). Which parking companies accept traffic from these "so called bad/grey areas".
CPA options and who currently offers them. Other options.
Keyword questions, usage of multiple keyword options via separators
How do parking companies actually optimize or drive traffic to domains. A myth or a reality.
Parked domain indexing possibilities and current availability.

And tons of more questions. I have been browsing through many of our threads here and have seen these questions being asked with no definitive answer. It would be great if a few parking companies give us their viewpoint on this. It would also be awesome if we could make parking companies more flexible in giving us some scope to better monetize our domains.

For example, we now know that parked.com is open to adword campaign traffic to its parked domains. This fact alone can help so many domaineers make double the income they are currently making. Getting to know such facts directly from the paring companies will help us better monetize our domains with valid information.

Well said ... Varon

We need answers, Tid bits of information is not going to help us establish, The parking companies needs, Nor our needs, Each company has a different position on what they consider "legitimate traffic" , it is some what confusing, but we can't establish , what is right, and what is wrong, Unless all the parking companies come forward and tell us, That is what i, and i would think everyone is looking is to happen, Then we will know each companies stand on "legitimate -VS- non legitimate traffic methods"

Have you been reading the posts in this thread of advertising methods?

It wouldn't make sense to me to be able to run an ad that all someone has to do is click on but not be able to put it on your automobile.

So what parking company was it that you speak of which forced a domainer from his parking privileges for having a name on his vehicle?

Good Point, After all, If you are advertising on your vehicle, One must actually typin the name, to navigate to the page, "Pure Typin Traffic" , And once on the page, they have no reason to click a single link, Unless they find something they would like to view.


Some excellent points made, In my opinion, Keep them coming folks, If we keep digging, We will make progress much faster.

 

[Badger]

Registering names that have traffic, would be the ideal thing to do, The only problem, It is virtually impossible to reg such names, You will have to go to drop catchers sites, and bid a minimum of $60 per name, Everyone wants traffic names, There for your backorder of $60 turns into a purchase of $300+ , to be able to obtain a traffic name. And after purchasing such a name, There is no guarantee, the name will retain it's traffic, Once parked, The name can loose it's traffic in a very short period of time. there are many misconceptions of "Natural Traffic"

Right. So what given right do you have to earn money from something thats worth nothing and for which youre willing to do nothing to but "park it"??

Domaining nowadays isnt about searching for unregistered names which are remotely connected with some historically popular term and snagging them hoping to return more in PPC.. For thats just prospecting in the "gold" sense of the word, 100yrs after everyones gone home.

I know of a new domainer, hes bought 3 names, sold them, bought three more, sold them... yadda yadda repeat to fade... making a profit everytime.. Hes now a nice trio of strong generics which he now wants (and is) developing - in the meantime making some nice PPC with his type in traffic.

And I stand by my previous statement regarding parking companies and the fact that at some point soon the doors will close with regard to creating an account by hand for new users and actually more domainers will find themselves receiving "account closed" notices. 4 years ago anyone could ramp up to google or yahoo and get a sub syndicated account to become a parking company, now the doors are firmly closed. The same philosophy will pass down the line to domainers at some point soon.

As someone whos a co owner of a company with relationships with both Google and Yahoo I can tell you that we are required to have numerous and continual conversations about "traffic quality" and "affiliates" i.e. you guys with the root feed providers. Its my belief that its only a matter of time before they insist domains and domainers are removed from parking platforms because of traffic quality.

Im sure Mike and in particular Donny will back me on this..

 

[DnPresident]

Right. So what given right do you have to earn money from something thats worth nothing and for which youre willing to do nothing to but "park it"??
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I agree totally, if the names worth nothing then you have no right to parking it. Being worth nothing would have to mean non generic/non descriptive or very little insight as to what the name could represent.

If the name is generic/extremely descriptive then yes in my opinion you should try parking them/it. If you have DigitalCameras, NeatArt, NewHomes, AdultCaskets, LightBulbs (Which I do) in any TLD and can drive quality traffic to it of course with matching landing page then Go For It.

You are offering at the customers request via search, a quality service to the customer and advertiser.

 

[geb9696]

Badger's take on parking in general is leading me to believe that the whole concept of parking will eventually be gone. I get this from two things that he said. One was the example of the domainer who traded up to get the generics that he wanted and is now in the process of developing the names. To me this illustrates a key in that ultimately the goal with high quality names is developement. Then he stated that other then quality generics he thinks that the parking companies will close accounts. This takes us back to his first example of the developement of those same quality names. If everyone is developing the generics and the parking companies kick everyone else out then there is no one left to provide traffic for the parking companies.

I realize that a person should not reg a domain for 7 bucks and expect to be able to park it and earn a dollar a day. I am rather inexperianced with parking as the only money I am making is from my developed sites. I only park the sites I have yet to be able to develope and while I do get a few clicks its wont even make me back reg fee. If in the future those 15-20 legit clicks are not wanted then I can understand that.

 

[.X.]

Right. So what given right do you have to earn money from something thats worth nothing and for which youre willing to do nothing to but "park it"??

Domaining nowadays isnt about searching for unregistered names which are remotely connected with some historically popular term and snagging them hoping to return more in PPC.. For thats just prospecting in the "gold" sense of the word, 100yrs after everyones gone home.

I know of a new domainer, hes bought 3 names, sold them, bought three more, sold them... yadda yadda repeat to fade... making a profit everytime.. Hes now a nice trio of strong generics which he now wants (and is) developing - in the meantime making some nice PPC with his type in traffic.

And I stand by my previous statement regarding parking companies and the fact that at some point soon the doors will close with regard to creating an account by hand for new users and actually more domainers will find themselves receiving "account closed" notices. 4 years ago anyone could ramp up to google or yahoo and get a sub syndicated account to become a parking company, now the doors are firmly closed. The same philosophy will pass down the line to domainers at some point soon.

As someone whos a co owner of a company with relationships with both Google and Yahoo I can tell you that we are required to have numerous and continual conversations about "traffic quality" and "affiliates" i.e. you guys with the root feed providers. Its my belief that its only a matter of time before they insist domains and domainers are removed from parking platforms because of traffic quality.

Im sure Mike and in particular Donny will back me on this..

Right. So what given right do you have to earn money from something thats worth nothing and for which youre willing to do nothing to but "park it"??

Worth Nothing? Are you implying that newly registered domain names are worth nothing? please clarify...... Sure, They have to nurtured and raised to get established, That is really not that hard to do.


If domain parking turns in the direction you are speaking of, Then i would think they will loose alot of money, So will the feed provider, The great part about the industry, Is that we are not just limited to using, Google and Yahoo as feed providers, I am speaking with two rather large search engine companies, about beginning a "ad publishing" company, providing thier feeds as the means for publishers to show, We as domainers can step outside the boundries of Google and Yahoo, Should they build such a brick wall against us, We have options as domainers, I will only speak for myself, But i will sure exercise my options, Should what you are speaking of happens.

From what i have seen in the, Bodis.com threads, Matt is using "Ask.com" as the feed provider, If that is so, Nice move Matt :tu:

Being the middle man isn't a bad thing, Being the middle man, and having to tolerate useless politics, would have to suck. I know myself couldn't tolerate it, I am hoping to have a contract with "One" ..If not both of the large search engines, established as soon as possible, So the breaking ground of Adzaz.com can be established into a ad publishing site, I was asked if i was interested in using them as a domain parking feed provider, I have opted to go with ad publishing, Using thier feeds.

No need to fear the useless politics, and BS, Domainers, We have options, We can exercise them, if push comes to shove.

 

[Badger]

There is always the occassional nugget John, my comment was in reply to your previous post. The extensions .TV & .mobi have potentially created an even footing for new domainers. However, this has yet to be proven - certainly for .mobi

Unfortunately, 99% of PPC ad $ end up in the hands of Y and G. Sure, negotiate with someone else, but at this current moment in time only 2 companies have the control. We in the UK have/had a deal with MIVA and they are probably the next best thing but my point is, parking wont die off, it will simply continue to metamorphasise (as it continually does) and value will be given back into the hands of the advertisers.. Sure, G&Y will lose a lot of money if domaining was 30% of what it is today, but this amount doesnt come close to losing the "the other company is rife with click fraud and bad traffic" race that the big two are fighting currently.

Read back my earlier posts in this thread, you'll see im intimating that the rules have changed, its not about domainers qualifying as a key account solely based upon the gross revenue they create anymore, the new game is about the quality of traffic they/you/we provide.

You wont lose your account because your domains only earned $20/month parked, you will if you earned $200 and the root feed provider or parking provider has established that 90% of your traffic was BS and never converted.

From what i have seen in the, Bodis.com threads, Matt is using "Ask.com" as the feed provider, If that is so, Nice move Matt

I dont know about Bodis, but ASK is sub syndicating a google AFD feed.

No need to fear the useless politics, and BS, Domainers, We have options, We can exercise them, if push comes to shove.

"Full steam ahead and sod the icebergs" Capt Edward John Smith (1850-1912)

 

[.X.]

There is always the occassional nugget John, my comment was in reply to your previous post. The extensions .TV & .mobi have potentially created an even footing for new domainers. However, this has yet to be proven - certainly for .mobi

Unfortunately, 99% of PPC ad $ end up in the hands of Y and G. Sure, negotiate with someone else, but at this current moment in time only 2 companies have the control. We in the UK have/had a deal with MIVA and they are probably the next best thing but my point is, parking wont die off, it will simply continue to metamorphasise (as it continually does) and value will be given back into the hands of the advertisers.. Sure, G&Y will lose a lot of money if domaining was 30% of what it is today, but this amount doesnt come close to losing the "the other company is rife with click fraud and bad traffic" race that the big two are fighting currently.

Read back my earlier posts in this thread, you'll see im intimating that the rules have changed, its not about domainers qualifying as a key account solely based upon the gross revenue they create anymore, the new game is about the quality of traffic they/you/we provide.

You wont lose your account because your domains only earned $20/month parked, you will if you earned $200 and the root feed provider or parking provider has established that 90% of your traffic was BS and never converted.



I dont know about Bodis, but ASK is sub syndicating a google AFD feed.

Miva is great company, and one good example, There are many more, Ian, that do not use feeds provided by either G or Y....They use feeds within thier own operations of thier company, I spoke with one via telephone today, One i would like to serve ads to Adzaz.com publishers , We are just a signiture away from making this happen right now, I feel we will get this contract done, If so, My company will in no way, shape or form, be associated with G or Y syndication , Not that oppose them, I don't, But i didn't want to wade through the tedious process and politics associated, With getting my foot in the door with them. I further more, will be able to offer "The Ad Publisher" Far better options to making revenue to include, CPM -CPA and PPC

The fact is, I myself, I don't want to deal with any company, Parking or otherwise, That doesn't present me a realistic chance of making revenue, My current parking provider is excellent, i can call my manager any time, And get questions answered with out complication, If it stays that away, I will stay there, If that changes, I will leave, and find another that will accomadate my needs, Both myself and the parking provider are striving to make money, Nothing personal, But if we can't achieve that, Then i have no need for them, I don't care who they are, how popular they are or otherwise, Those things don't make me revenue.

 

[Badger]

Well, adzaz is just a regular old MFA whypark site with fully syndicated content. Your content is duplicated all over the net. see copyscape.com. This sort of site will not exist within the SE's or with adsense/YPN ads on them in 12-18 months time because it contributes no additional value to what is out there already.

If you were an advertiser, would you be happy with receiving $2 referrals from adzaz.com?

Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...

 

[mwzd]

Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...

:tu:

I've run both types of ads on adwords for the same site.

'Only Goog' created 5x the number of signups than the 'network' for the same number of visitors.

 

[Kenny]

Again, I must ask we keep on topic, "Define Legit Traffic".

The middle ground is wide, and as of yet, still generally undefined.

No one loves a good debate more than I do, just ask most of the posters
in this thread, but I really want to keep this focused and on track.

I (and others) are learning a lot here, this has turned into a very educational thread.

Lets keep it flowing in a positive direction.

Cy

 

[blaknite]

Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...

For the most part, I would set firmly in this camp. Its not that I personally have knowledge that bad traffic is coming from parking. I just know how many scammers there are on the internet. The odds are astronomically for it.

The only thing that would change my mind on this view is bieng able to select specific parked sites that will show my ads. For example if I had a jewelry store I could put in a keyword like jewelry and find matching parked sites that suggest that keyword. Then I could select from those sites which ones I will allow to run my ads. I suspect as the system evolves twards this domainers will also gain more power. From the domainers angle, if I owned goldrings dot com I would be able to specify that advertisers can't run ads on my site unless they're willing to pay me a minimum epc, and their ads have to actually say gold rings in the header.

I see this as the likely evolution of domain parking. A parking company will end up doing alot more work to earn their keep. They'll have to match up advertisers and domainers on equal ground. Those whos domains convert to sales will get paid much better, and those whos domains don't won't get paid at all.

My domain investing strategy hinges on this concept. I don't see any point in buying or registering domains that don't already have built in value. (pure typeins) My budget is much better spent on names that are far more expensive but have an intrinsic value to them. As parking evolves only those with truly premium names will be able to continue making money with it. Those who don't will find other venues to monetize their domains outside of parking.

 

[.X.]

Well, adzaz is just a regular old MFA whypark site with fully syndicated content. Your content is duplicated all over the net. see copyscape.com. This sort of site will not exist within the SE's or with adsense/YPN ads on them in 12-18 months time because it contributes no additional value to what is out there already.

If you were an advertiser, would you be happy with receiving $2 referrals from adzaz.com?

Ironically, someone told me that domainers who are also adwords customers generally opt out of showing their ads across googles partner network. Maybe that tells us something about the reality of what we truthfully know...

Perhaps so, Adzaz.com was put on whypark to make revenue, It does, Makes a decent revenue actually, My reason for registering Adzaz.com , Is to make an ad publishing company out of the name, I am very close to making that happen, I do not use adwords, It is not feasible for me, and my budget, Like i have stated in prior post in this topic, I use the methods that i researched for almost a year, To drive traffic to my names and websites, Although "arbitrage" is being used to bring in some 30% of my traffic, The rest comes from search engines and pure typins, Pure typins being 11% of the total traffic received, A very small number of percentage eh? But the other 38% is coming from Google and yahoo search engine indexing. So the over all means of using "arbitrage" is to account for as much as much of traffic my names fail to get from search engines, Web directories, So i am still missing 21% to make my traffic 100%.
But i am happy with 79% ratio of traffic my names and sites receives, although getting to the 100% platform would be nice. My means of using arbitrage, Most likely brings better quality traffic, than google and yahoos search engines bring...Completely ethical, Legal, High quality traffic, With absolutely no incentive or otherwise for ANY one to click to go to my sites and parking landers. They will only go to my names, If they are interested in what i have to offer.

For the most part, I would set firmly in this camp. Its not that I personally have knowledge that bad traffic is coming from parking. I just know how many scammers there are on the internet. The odds are astronomically for it.

The only thing that would change my mind on this view is bieng able to select specific parked sites that will show my ads. For example if I had a jewelry store I could put in a keyword like jewelry and find matching parked sites that suggest that keyword. Then I could select from those sites which ones I will allow to run my ads. I suspect as the system evolves twards this domainers will also gain more power. From the domainers angle, if I owned goldrings dot com I would be able to specify that advertisers can't run ads on my site unless they're willing to pay me a minimum epc, and their ads have to actually say gold rings in the header.

I see this as the likely evolution of domain parking. A parking company will end up doing alot more work to earn their keep. They'll have to match up advertisers and domainers on equal ground. Those whos domains convert to sales will get paid much better, and those whos domains don't won't get paid at all.

My domain investing strategy hinges on this concept. I don't see any point in buying or registering domains that don't already have built in value. (pure typeins) My budget is much better spent on names that are far more expensive but have an intrinsic value to them. As parking evolves only those with truly premium names will be able to continue making money with it. Those who don't will find other venues to monetize their domains outside of parking.

The reality of the situation is, Scammers are going no where, So we have to work around them, We don't have a choice.

Each domainer has thier own agendas and preferences in what they invest in, I can respect the fact that you invest in domain names that have already been nurtured and raised, By some one else, I don't have a specific preference on my domains, If i run into a traffic name, That is reasonably priced, I may buy it, I can take a domain name, Raise and nurture it to make just as much as money as the names you are paying for that already traffic, After all, Some one had to raise and nurture them to retain that status , a "traffic name" , I don't mind doing that all, I actually enjoy watching my domains grow and prosper, By the hard work i put into making them do so.

 

[DnPresident]

Again, I must ask we keep on topic, "Define Legit Traffic".
Cy

It's very simple, Gooood names with relevant landers and ad relevance. The name muuust describe in easy understandable language what the lander will be displaying.

If a domain holder is so damn lame he tries to fool the customer by false advertisement, I have no love for him/her GOOD RIDDANCE!

To define Legit Traffic is to say a green apple is a green apple not Free Red apples once they click. It's targeted customers that convert/purchase and I'm 100% certain mine do just that.

When you purchase a name, if you can not visualize the END Product, there's a problem. I like names that the customer can easily visualize the end product. If I say DigitalCameras, I have beef if the lander displays FREE Ipods, I want my customers to have Digital Cameras. If I say WorldTeaSales, I'm not wanting free soda pop on my lander.

I hope other domainers agree. This is my life, not a game or a trick, It's serious business.

I respect my visitors and want them to click through because of their interest in the ad relevance. I hope other domainers hold the same feelings.

 

[.X.]

Again, I must ask we keep on topic, "Define Legit Traffic".

The middle ground is wide, and as of yet, still generally undefined.

No one loves a good debate more than I do, just ask most of the posters
in this thread, but I really want to keep this focused and on track.

I (and others) are learning a lot here, this has turned into a very educational thread.

Lets keep it flowing in a positive direction.

Cy

I agree....Lets stay focused on topic.

I am guilty of posting off topic, More trying to explain a position, as compared to another position.

We as domainers have to work together, We will benifit from this discussion if we do so.

It's very simple, Gooood names with relevant landers and ad relevance. The name muuust describe in easy understandable language what the lander will be displaying.

If a domain holder is so damn lame he tries to fool the customer by false advertisement, I have no love for him/her GOOD RIDDANCE!

To define Legit Traffic is to say a green apple is a green apple not Free Red apples once they click. It's expensive targeted customers that convert/purchase and I'm 100% certain mine do just that.

When you purchase a name, if you can not visualize the END Product, there's a problem. I like names that the customer can easily visualize the end product. If I say DigitalCameras, I have beef if the lander displays FREE Ipods, I want my customers to have Digital Cameras. If I say WorldTeaSales, I'm not wanting free soda pop on my lander.

I hope other domainers agree. This is my life, not a game or a trick, It's seriouis business.

I respect my visitors and want them to click through because of their interest in the ad relevance. I hope other domainers hold the same feelings.

Excellent Point ....DnPresident

 

[DnPresident]

I do have a question, I suppose it would be answered best from someone experienced in seeing parking revenue numbers.

What's a good portfolio pull in for revenue in a day?

$1000 an hour? Come on, hit us with them digits.

I just want $5,000 a day for now.

So what parking company has the highest paying portfolio?