news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[JB Lions]

Oh yes, we have seen their innovation at Afternic during the last years... so much innovation that they had to pay $71M for a clean landing page.

Did they fire all the Dan people?

 

[bmugford]

And will Dan 5% closing stay. For now, yes. It is good that Sedo and Escrow both offer competitive closing services so there is competition to keep it probably.

No chance.

I can't see any incentive for GoDaddy to keep that. I expect that to be replaced sooner rather than later.

Brad

 

[Ostrados]

Are you using the ones with ns1.sedoparking.com or sl1.sedo.com? The former are the traditional ones, can make changes under parking optimization, and the latter go to newer clean-look landers. I personally prefer the sl ones, and think they have done a good job building trust with the design. Now if only that accept cookies could be made a bit smaller for the first time visitor!

-Bob

I am using sl1.sedo.com sl2.sedo.com
Very cool modern landers
I like that they show all payment options right below the BIN button (I think they copied that from DAN lol)

 

[Sutruk]

Did they fire all the Dan people?

No, they just ended with their competitor, raised its price and as a result of the monopolistic position, increased their commission fees by a 10% for people not using their network of DNS.

 

[bmugford]

Oh yes, we have seen their innovation at Afternic during the last years... so much innovation that they had to pay $71M for a clean landing page.

There are some annoying Afternic issues that go back many years and are still not fixed.

They still don't have a proper search engine, where you can narrow down what you are looking for.

Brad

 

[JB Lions]

No, they just ended with their competitor, raised its price and as a result of the monopolistic position, increased their commission fees by a 10% for people not using their network of DNS.

Oh, so they have the same people that built Dan still working with them. So not really ending innovation, keeping the people on board that innovated. That's a good thing.

And I do agree about Afternic, it's a pain listing there because it's not smooth, posted about that in another thread today. Maybe, they should get the Dan people on over there.

 

[Sutruk]

I recall assurances that Dan would continue to operate as is.

You should have asked them to put that assurance in a signed paper...

 

[bmugford]

And I do agree about Afternic, it's a pain listing there because it's not smooth, posted about that in another thread today. Maybe, they should get the Dan people on over there.

GoDaddy has so many venues, registration paths, etc. that it is almost impossible to keep updated with a large portfolio.

I constantly have listing conflicts on Afternic or Dan.com. When I spot check I will find Afternic BIN landers not loading sometimes, because there is some other orphaned listing loading from somewhere.

For instance I have one I found the other day with Afternic BIN lander that is listed for the same price on Afternic and Dan, but it loads the "may be for sale" lander. If I search it on Afternic or Dan it shows that price.

If I search it on GoDaddy it shows another listing, at a higher price.

Where is that coming from?
Is it an orphaned listing?
How do I find out what is not working properly?

I have no idea what listing takes priority in the registration path.
I basically gave up on it.

Brad

 

[Sutruk]

I would say, that even more than to buy a competitor and increase its price, it was more to buy its market position. I mean, they paid $71M not just for Dan's revenue, but for their market in domains number, for their traffic.

That acquisition target was finally revealed, now that they have the maximum aftermarket monopoly in number of domains, so they can finally release the "kraken", and that's "STAY WITH MY LANDERS, SEND ME YOUR TRAFFIC, OR PAY 10% MORE" in Afternic. A clearly anticompetition and monopolistic practice intended to harm their few remaining competitors.

 

[Mister Funsky]

Godaddy didn't pay $71M to keep it as it was.

Is this a confirmed number? If so, considering how close things came, RM is surely down in the dumps about this one getting away.

Also, if Dan had built such value in the short life it had before consumption, does this not give any top notch coders around the globe the desire to build a similar marketplace?

I hope so!

 

[Sutruk]

Is this a confirmed number?

https://domainnamewire.com/2022/08/04/godaddy-paid-71-4-for-dan-com/

GoDaddy paid $71.4 million for Dan.com​

"According to a regulatory filing, GoDaddy (NYSE: GDDY) paid $71.4 million to acquire Dan.com.

The company filed its form 10-Q quarterly report today. In the subsequent events section, it stated:

In July 2022, we completed an acquisition for $71.4 million in cash.

GoDaddy announced the acquisition of Dan.com at the end of June, but it hadn’t closed yet. The deal appears to have closed in July because GoDaddy branding appeared on Dan.com’s landers last month."

 

[Sutruk]

Also, if Dan had built such value in the short life it had before consumption, does this not give any top notch coders around the globe the desire to build a similar marketplace?

You bet.

 

[JB Lions]

GoDaddy has so many venues, registration paths, etc. that it is almost impossible to keep updated with a large portfolio.

I constantly have listing conflicts on Afternic or Dan.com. When I spot check I will find Afternic BIN landers not loading sometimes, because there is some other orphaned listing loading from somewhere.

For instance I have one I found the other day with Afternic BIN lander that is listed for the same price on Afternic and Dan, but it loads the "may be for sale" lander. If I search it on Afternic or Dan it shows that price.

If I search it on GoDaddy it shows another listing, at a higher price.

Where is that coming from?
Is it an orphaned listing?
How do I find out what is not working properly?

I have no idea what listing takes priority in the registration path.
I basically gave up on it.

Brad

Yeah, it's a bit of a mess. I'm trying to simplify things. Had a mix of Dan/Afternic landers, mostly Dan. Just went 100% Dan landers the other day. They're nice looking, love the Lease to Own option, support has been good etc. Never had an issue with a Buyer, that's the important thing. Want the buyer's experience as smooth as possible. I don't even like the Beta versions Afternic and GoDaddy has. Too much white space, can't figure out what's actually improved. They need to hire Dan level talent and get that all fixed. Get somebody who understands web design/usability

 

[bmugford]

Yeah, it's a bit of a mess. I'm trying to simplify things. Had a mix of Dan/Afternic landers, mostly Dan. Just went 100% Dan landers the other day. They're nice looking, love the Lease to Own option, support has been good etc. Never had an issue with a Buyer, that's the important thing. Want the buyer's experience as smooth as possible. I don't even like the Beta versions Afternic and GoDaddy has. Too much white space, can't figure out what's actually improved. They need to hire Dan level talent and get that all fixed.

Dan.com is the superior system IMO, by far. The value in Afternic is obviously the distribution network.
The venue itself is nothing special. It is dated, there are really no advanced features. There are lots of issues.

Brad

 

[Sutruk]

The value in Afternic is obviously the distribution network.

More than the distribution network... it's a registrar in their distribution network called Godaddy. A registrar that has more market power than the rest of the following registrars combined.
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https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/largest-domain-registrars/

Largest Domain Registrars in the World in 2023​

1. GoDaddy: 76.6 million domains
2. Namecheap: 16.5 million domains
3. Tucows: 11.1 million domains
4. Google: 7.9 million domains
5. Network Solutions: 6.4 million domains

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And that's what makes the new commission structure to collide so blatantly with the Antritrust laws. They are using their market power to harm their remaining competitors, by punishing their users (not using Afternic's DNS) by increasing a 10% the commission on domains sold in their network (mainly at Godaddy).

 

[Joe drake]

This is an alignment of commissions across the GoDaddy aftermarket. You can read more about this move here: https://uniregistry.com/blog/post/godaddy-aftermarket-alignment
or https://news.dan.com/221733-dan-and-godaddy-aftermarket-commission-alignment

less than a month to stop life and change all your names around 3000 domains all over the place or pay 25% if you forget to cancel afternic my suggestion is do what I did ,turn all domains to hide on afternic which releases you out of your aftergoDaNNYyuni obligation oh yeah godaddy eatiing everyones lunch ,but wall street technology coming to domains soon ''mayb'e'' nasdaq market makers thinking about using supersonic speed to start catching some gems.

 

[dirk]

Does sedo offer SSL on their landers yet? Before the redirect that is?

Can't seem to find it and getting thrown security warnings is off-putting.

 

[Joe drake]

Does anyone know how to get buy it now links for escrow.com ,I see them around sometimes and basically we keep all the commission and the trust factor is there for the buyer media options should jump on this right away Ill be first to change 4000 nameservers to escrow/Media options landers and with fast pricing entry we can be all set up in a couple hours 10% fees and escrow clearance complete would be mint for everyone

 

[Ostrados]

That's nothing new. I'm talking more for domainers who will be missing the coverage at GoDaddy, you can simply list direct with them.

You will pay 25% if you list domains directly at Godaddy (when not using their NS)
I received email from Godaddy Auctions confirming that
So there is no workaround thanks for the suggestion though

 

[Joe drake]

NEVER EVER EVER approve fast transfer ,one of my domains at afterdannyunidaddy that I had approved almost got transferred out of my account and guess who got the sale ,,,the guy who dropped it and was on fast transfer b4 me and afterdanny initally told me the domain was listed by someone else and I had to prove it was mine even though there was a 2 month break in the registry ,good thing name silo double locked it right away