Car Dealer names any good?

[Zepia]

I just got 2: Fisker Dealer ,com and Fisker Dealers , com


Just in case you were wondering who's Fisker Automotive:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/24/fisker-automotive-signs-up-32-dealers-in-17-states/

And a Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Automotive

Not many searches on Google yet but then again they just released this today.

I'm not too worry about TM since they are TONS of dealer names using their selling brand name, but I would like to know your input please!

 

[Zepia]

bump, would like to know your opinion!

 

[frankiethepet]

You say there are tons of dealars with that name, are you sure that they dont pay to use that name? They start up a car deal shop and to get cred they "rent" a allready famous and respected car dealer name. Or Fisker dealer works together with already existing car dealers to spread their name and co all over the country, they make a deal with the towns car dealer to be a Fisker Dealer. etc...


It got TM issues all over it.

Really, in the future, forget about regging existing company names like that... especially names like "fisker dealer" They dont have any other meaning then "Fisker dealer", therefor you are trying to make money on their company name. You can get ****ed. And you cant develope them without risk and you cant sell them.

 

[gazzip]

I have a few generic (LL)motors.com that earn thier keep, €0.28 to €0.35 clicks with the keyword "car dealers".

I have'nt sold any yet but have priced them pretty low, $1,500 to $2,500 which (to me) is very reasonable for someone with those intials who may be setting up a car dealership.

They can be good for areas too, (california) CAmotors.com went for a few grand on snap a while back


...one day maybe



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[Traveler]

We should be getting rid of these domains and buying behavior instead of encouraging it.
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I totally agree, we would all be better off!

 

[Jasonn]

Please folks.......stop buying trademark domains. Can't you see the writing on the wall?

You are still trading off of their name, and that does not mean they cannot come after you. What would be your defense in UDRP? You have none. You could say there are a ton of Frisker dealers, but I guarantee you that won't hold up since you are not a dealer and have no "legitimate interest" in the domain. That is what the panelists or court will say. Just go read some panel decisions. This is definitely a "bad faith registration" case.

Every domainer ought to spend one week reading NAF and WIPO decisions to better understand what they are doing. This is not good domaining.

You are killing our earnings and this industry. Please stop !

BTW.....eventually G and Y are not going to accept those domains. You can count on it. If you are thinking of making money long-term then think long-term. Also, if G or Y nix your domain, what the heck would you do with it? Try to sell it to a dealer? Ooops.....you just set yourself up for an easy UDRP loss if you ask for more than your out-of-pocket expenses acquiring the domain.

Also, who wants to have the label "cybersquatter" attached to their name or company name? This is a liability domain......not an asset and it is what everyone legitimate is upset about. These domains are mixed in with high-quality domains and the legitimate domainers make less money.

We should be getting rid of these domains and buying behavior instead of encouraging it.
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Agreed but there is little to be had for the guys just starting out. Much easier to have this position when you're in the position you are in.

 

[bmugford]

I think the vast majority of domainers have started with a TM name here or there. Eventually you learn your lesson and move on to keyword generics.

Even without a possible TM issue I don't see a ton of value.

Results 1 - 10 of about 166 for "Fisker Dealer".
Results 1 - 10 of about 198 for "Fisker Dealers"

There are too many options instead of "Dealer" or "Dealers" like..

Auto
Autos
Automotive
Cars
Dealership

and many more...

Brad

 

[mhdoc]

Much easier to have this position when you're in the position you are in.

A long time ago I heard the saying. Use what you have, to get what you need, to get what you want.

Domains are still in their infancy. There will be opportunity for newcomers for a long time.

 

[Traveler]

Agreed but there is little to be had for the guys just starting out. Much easier to have this position when you're in the position you are in.

On the other hand there is a lot to be had for people that are starting out to avoid TM domain names. It is common rookie mistake. There are some domainers that walk the thin line and register typos and tm names and make some money doing it. In the end though, they give everyone else a bad name.

Even the ones that make their money playing the typo and tm game only make money because they spent a lot of time learning how to do it. For someone just starting out, imho it makes more sense to take the time to learn how to do it the "right" way.

 

[Traveler]

I admit it is tough finding good domains. But they are still out there.

And, everyone's circumstances can matter too. I mean, if your spouse has some kind of cancer or degenerative disease you probably would not let that certain TM domain go if you are needing the money to pay for the medicine and have no other means. Folks will do almost anything if they are backed into a corner. But outside those kind of situations, where folks register tons of TMs for simple greed, there is no good excuse for multiple, deliberate registrations to trade off of anothers brand.

It is a rookie mistake as was stated. You think you are jumping ahead, but later will find you are behind the pack b/c those domains blow. The CTR is usually poor on TM domains anyhow. Generics can have CTR's of anywhere from 30% to 300%, whereas TMs or expired traffic runs 10% to 25% most often.

There are a ton of reasons to only buy generics, or at least untapped "brandables":

The TMs generally are not liquid.....who wants a liability? You cant' build a business on them. UDRP or court risks. Arguing with the TM owners, causing stress in your life (especially when you see that mail lady coming to your door for certified mail signature), poor conversions for the advertisers, make the rest of your portfolio look bad, squatter label which can be used against you for every new case brought against you, lawyers, chance of getting booted from G or Y one day like eBay does.....and also Google does already for Google Adsense, no respect from investors, no respect from other domainers, ever increasing turmoil erupting over these domains in the public sphere, new ICANN rules to stop this behavior, etc.......

If you really want to make a big mistake.....just buy these types of domains. This is 2009. What worked from 2003 to 2007 with these TM domains will not work in the near future. All kinds of rules and legislation are brewing.
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Excellent post, rep added