debate Brexit or Not - What do you guys thinks?

[deez007]

Hey Folks

So, what do you guys think....

Should Britain exit the EU or not?

 

[Domainstore]

In the late newsnight or other program I saw another suggestion. =>> LONDON could become an indipendent citystate, just like Vaticancity is also a state or country. (and become member of the EU, as the votes in London were in favour of "remain").

 

[iowadawg]

Geesh...then Des Moines should be independent...hahahahhaha

 

[GILSAN]

In the late newsnight or other program I saw another suggestion. =>> LONDON could become an indipendent citystate, just like Vaticancity is also a state or country. (and become member of the EU, as the votes in London were in favour of "remain").

In that case, so should N. Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar become independent.

Oh and lets not forget that younger voters were in favor of staying, while the older voters opted to leave.

So.... by that logic young people should become independent of their parents and grandparents.

Naturally this scenario would be quite complicated especially for those who are still living with their parents. They would probably need passports and residence permits to live with their parents.

I've been watching CNN today and so many journalists don't seem to have accepted the fact that the majority won. They are saying how sad it is that young voters wanted to remain and it's not fair that their parents and grandparents have now destroyed their future! This is what I've been hearing quite a lot today.

Liberal media are really something else. They will never accept conservatives winning or having opposite views to them, even when the majority won. Unbelievable!!!

I also find it really amusing that all these political experts, that are now frothing from their mouths in anger and disbelief at Brexit, are explaining in detail what will happen, how the UK will destroy itself, how its economy will crumble, etc. yet these idiots where the same ones that weren't able to predict that Brexit would win.

 

[adamson791]

It'll be a shame when the brexiters finally realise that theyve been lied to all along. Leave already backtracked on its pledge to give the so called £350m to the NHS this morning on good morning britain and Dan Hannon on newsnight has already 'corrected' the interviewer by saying that he didnt actually mean leaving the eu would reduce 'labour' movement. So in other words, 2 promises already broken by the leave campaign.

Oh and by the way...that thing about eu leaders not being democratically elected? Well, Cameron has resigned and is due to be replaced by an unelected Boris Johnson, who will decide who will be part of his inner circle. More unelected beauracrats...but just happen to be in England.

Cant call it 'United' Kingdom anymore as Scotland wants to get away from us and Northern ireland wants to be joined up with rep of ireland and also wanna get away from us so they can be part of eu. Not much of the UK left to do business with.

Well done Britain.

 

[tiawalling]

Saw this on my fb feed this morning.

 

[namezest]

I voted leave. Let Scotland be Scotland and Wales be Wales and England be England the two islands of Little & Great Britain are not joined by land mass so unite Ireland and let Northern Ireland be Ireland and also EU if it wishes. Great Britain ie. England, Scotland and Wales are joined by land mass so technically would still be the UK/Great Britain. It's the perfect time for people to see how awesome the UK can be and for the UK to give these other countries their freedom showing the world what it means to truly be great!

 

[doubleU]

I voted leave. Let Scotland be Scotland and Wales be Wales and England be England the two islands of Little & Great Britain are not joined by land mass so unite Ireland and let Northern Ireland be Ireland and also EU if it wishes. Great Britain ie. England, Scotland and Wales are joined by land mass so technically would still be the UK/Great Britain. It's the perfect time for people to see how awesome the UK can be and for the UK to give these other countries their freedom showing the world what it means to truly be great!

You have summed up a solution that makes a lot of people happy, the Republic of Ireland will welcome Northern Ireland back home with arms wide open.

Has the UK the courage and the decency to make this happen ? I doubt anytime soon but if it had then it could improve relationships with its neighbors and show the world that it has changed for the better.

 

[Dominium]

Well done Britain.

Do you hear yourself? The sarcastic condescension? The lofty arrogance, the 'we know what's good for you, even if you don't' attitude?

Well, that's the same attitude we voted against, when 17,410,742 Brits voted to leave the EU. We voted against the unelected, self-proclaimed bureaucrotwats to whom we ceded power. We voted against the elites, the power-mad and all those who think they know what's good for us.

And what did we vote for? We voted for what's been ours for a thousand years: sovereignty, dignity and democracy. We voted to reclaim our representative parliamentary democracy and to extricate ourselves from a supranational federation ruled by the least among us.

This was a vote where principles trumped pragmatism, where the good of the country took priority over individual concerns, where we became independent of a grotesque political, economic and cultural experiment designed by insecure, megalomaniacal globalists.

We are once again free to forge our own path in the world, free to negotiate mutually beneficial bilateral trade agreements with every country on the planet, free to focus on our own people and our own prosperity, free to determine our own destiny. Free to be great again.

Well done Great Britain.

 

[Kate]

This is pure madness.
Short-sighted politicians all across Europe have designated the EU as the scapegoat for everything that is wrong in their own countries. Now look at the results.
But there are many things you can't blame on the EU. Bad economy, Unemployment, social problems. If members countries are sinking into debt, it's not the EU's fault either. The EU has tried to keep countries in check, but they have ignored the 60% rule, and they keep spending beyond reason. I call that suicide personally, if you want to be like Greece today, just carry on spending and you'll see.

Look at this chart, for sure next year and the next it's going down right ?

The conversation is totally surreal and irrational, people are talking as if the EU was some sort of alien, abstract dictatorship. It is nothing more than the will of the majority (of which the UK used to be a prominent member and decision-maker). Mumbling about 'unelected bureaucrats' or Brussels' élite doesn't change the fact.

Exit is not going to fix any problem, when things continue to go wrong I guess they'll have to find another scapegoat, who is it going to be ?
Cameron will go down in history as a total loser. Not only did he ruin 50 years of history in one day, he also shook the foundations of his own country, for pure selfish political play. Sad day.

People have strictly no idea of how the world and Europe actually function. Even non-member countries have to play by EU rules to a great extent. You'll find out soon.

 

[Dominium]

People have strictly no idea of how the world and Europe actually function. Even non-member countries have to play by EU rules to a great extent. You'll find out soon.

Oh, really? No idea? And we need you to enlighten us with your arrogant and holier-than-thou condescension? No thanks.

The EU is done. The supranational experiment has failed. There is no homogeneous global society.

The majority of people in the UK have voted to reclaim their sovereignty, dignity and democracy. This idea is spreading not just in Europe but everywhere. This is the beginning of the universal revolt against globalism, regulation and centralisation and for independence, peace and prosperity.

 

[GILSAN]

Looks like the loosing cry babies want a 2nd referendum now, probably from most of the younger generation who are not used to accepting NO as an answer.

In their way of thinking, when a vote goes the EU's way, then it’s called Democracy, but when it doesn’t then it’s all because of those ignorant, bigoted, racist, xenophobic populists that shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

Get over it... you lost, by popular vote and remember... every vote counts, even the working class vote.

 

[eurorealtor]

Wasn't the whole EU project, just the third attempt of Germans to take over the Europe?
Two wars didn't make the trick.

 

[Kate]

Oh, really? No idea? And we need you to enlighten us with your arrogant and holier-than-thou condescension? No thanks.

I understand, no offense taken. But I can't stand the opposite, that is the populists who insult your intelligence, drag the conversation down and spread lies. Especially when the stakes are so high. Making promises like Johnson or Farage have is easy, but I'd like to know they are going to fulfill them ?
Farage is already backtracking on his BTW, and Johnson has said the UK will divert monetary contributions to Brussels to the NHS, as if NHS wasn't a failure too.

The majority of people in the UK have voted to reclaim their sovereignty, dignity and democracy.

Democracy the British way, you mean RIPA, the snoopers charter and all that stuff (that has been going on for a long time). It's not my idea of dignity and democracy. Even the EU is not pushing for such draconian measures. (Sometimes the EU acts as a safeguard too, but admittedly it's not working anymore with Hungary etc).

This idea is spreading not just in Europe but everywhere. This is the beginning of the universal revolt against globalism, regulation and centralisation and for independence, peace and prosperity.

What I see is a return to the old Europe of the 30s. Small nations driven by nationalism, competing against each other, and eventually waging war against each other because they are incapable of getting along.
Where will the newly-found prosperity come from ? I thought the EU was your main trading partner... To continue to enjoy free trade like the other non-member countries, you'll still have to implement a good chunk of EU law into your own legislation, and play by EU rules (but this time without the opportunity the shape them). It's catch-22.
This exposé (from a mildly pro-EU think tank) puts it like this:

If Britain were to leave the EU, it would face a difficult dilemma: having to negotiate access to the
EU’s single market in exchange for continued adherence to its rules – or losing access in return for
regulatory sovereignty that would be largely illusory.

Some interesting points are made. The level of discussion is certainly more thorough than what we have seen throughout the campaign, and it doesn't even address all the stakes, just the economy.

I remember when Soros bet against the Pound in 1992 and he won, forcing the Pound out of the EMS. I realized back then that since the UK couldn't even control its own currency, it was not sovereign... it's hubris. Nations are less powerful than Global Finance. In today's world, the UK is not that strong. No European country is influential alone on the global stage.

But the big unstated reason for the Leave was anti-immigrant sentiment and the fear of immigration in general.
Since the UK already controls its own borders and does not adhere to to the free movement of persons - how leaving the EU is going to change things ?
PS: sorry for the long post.

 

[80-20]

that is the populists who insult your intelligence, drag the conversation down and spread lies.

If only the "populist" were able to spread the truth (corrupt MSM won't allow) the facts...

Get this:
EU has approx. 100,000 bureaucrats, out of whom 10,000 earns more than the UK's Prime Minister!!

EU for progress? Yes, in salaries for their NWO lackeys, and nobody's else!!

 

[namezest]

We all saw borders being closed to people fleeing in terror. Where was this EU when that happened, countries closed their borders to them... NO ROOM AT THE INN? Yet these countries that closed their borders want to go to the UK where they can get things for free like healthcare, education, housing, food. Freedom to express themselves and their beliefs. Why should the people in the UK pay billions each year to this so called union? It's not benefiting the people, they could give that away in form of clothing, food, shelter etc to countries that really NEED IT and stop making laws that enable the corrupt to continue to corrupt what is right, telling people lies as if they were truth, changing words to hide the true meaning and nature of what is WRONG! All politicians and law makers should be ashamed. Forget ECONOMY and think more about VALUES!

 

[Kate]

Too many unelected EU people pushing a very liberal agenda.

Unelected... you mean like the unelected/hereditary/appointed members of the House of Lords perhaps ?
You know, that vestige of UK democracy that the EU should look to for guidance.

Because we all know that waste, red tape, overregulation, corruption, nepotism, snobby political élites is something that doesn't exist at the national level.
But while people have been making the EU the scapegoat for their own failures, they forgot about goes on in their own country out of their free will. I mean what remains of the UK after Scotland leaves and maybe N. Ireland. I guess that was part of the plan too. They say the UK will be stronger now. Stronger than what ?

 

[Dominium]

Apart from your haughty exasperation, your arguments seem to follow a pattern: Every horror that exists at the federation level of the EU exists at the national level of the UK.

Well, so what? Why would we want an extra layer of awfulness on top of the awfulness of our own making? We know we have problems as a nation and you're right that we should focus on solving these problems but the EU is not being scapegoated, it is being fired.

As for the potential break up of the union, again, so what? If the Scots wish to have sovereignty they are free to do so, the precedent has been set. It seems unlikely to me, unless oil hits 150 USD per barrel. The strength comes not necessarily from unification of territories but from the democratic enactment of the will of the people of the UK. By having all our voices heard, we are all stronger.

 

[80-20]

European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

How conveniently... just a few days after the UK referendum. Speaks volumes for the EU's hidden agenda, that some naive souls still fail to acknowledge.

 

[Wannabean]

What if they win Euro 2016

 

[deez007]

Unelected... you mean like the unelected/hereditary/appointed members of the House of Lords perhaps ?
You know, that vestige of UK democracy that the EU should look to for guidance.

Because we all know that waste, red tape, overregulation, corruption, nepotism, snobby political élites is something that doesn't exist at the national level.
But while people have been making the EU the scapegoat for their own failures, they forgot about goes on in their own country out of their free will. I mean what remains of the UK after Scotland leaves and maybe N. Ireland. I guess that was part of the plan too. They say the UK will be stronger now. Stronger than what ?

Lol, these are the dangers of thinking inside the box. - One day you will realize that there is NO box. The box does not exist, it never did... You have been indoctrinated into thinking inside of an imaginary box.