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hello

I am new to BrandBucket. Before getting my hands on this

I wish to experience about brandbucket from my fellow members


Thanks :)
 
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People buy a domain based on the name. The logo is just an indication of what it could look like.

For most names, it is actually 35% commission, as BB puts the whole logo cost on you.

This is what I have a hard time wrapping my head around.

If the logo is just an indication of what it could look like, then why does BB put the whole logo cost on you? Yes, other companies use the same formula, but does that make it right? When you break it down here's what's happening:

Buy from BB's exclusive marketplace. BB will take 30%+ of the total sale for their advertising, operating costs, and escrow services. You may have found the domain from their search, which is powered by the upfront fee's from which their sellers are required to pay to have their domain listed categorically with searchable tags . If you found the domain on your own through the URL itself, then you'll find a description paid for by their sellers, and a logo that their sellers will be required to purchase if you decide to buy the domain. You will have no way of knowing if their seller seller paid $100 or $500 for the logo to be designed. You don't even have to use the logo if you don't want to, the seller is obligated to buy your logo regardless if you want it or not.

If the domain sells, the seller will be forced to buy the concept logo BrandBucket provided as a visual aid intended to help sell the domain. Why is the seller required to buy the concept logo if BrandBucket was the one who promised concept logo rights to the buyer with their purchase? What if they don't want the logo? Why do we still have to pay for it after the purchase price? I don't see any reason why the logo fee should come from the seller when it's BrandBucket making and approving the logo. If I'm going to be forced to buy my buyer a $100-$500 logo after the domain sells, why do I have to pay for BB's concept logo that took 10 minutes to make? If this is the case, at the very least, I should be satisfied with the concept logo being used to sell my domain over other competing domains with logo's. BB accepts similar domains, and it's not fair for a buyer to examplee.com over eexample.com simply because one has a better concept logo.

If we looked at this like an NBA trade
: Gains / Losses

Buyer: 100% total sale | Domain | Proof of concept logo
Seller: 70% total sale | Domain | $10 (to BB) | $100-$500 (proof of concept logo)
BrandBucket: 30% of total sale | $10 (from seller)


How do we account for value:: Seller / Marketplace
  • Domain investment ie renewals / purchase price vs Operating cost ie staff, advertising, etc
  • Buyers that find your domain via YOUR type in traffic / marketing vs Buyers that find your domain through BrandBucket's search and their marketing
 
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This is what I have a hard time wrapping my head around.

If the logo is just an indication of what it could look like, then why does BB put the whole logo cost on you?


Yes, other companies use the same formula, but does that make it right? When you break it down here's what's happening:

Buy from BB's exclusive marketplace. BB will take 30%+ of the total sale for their advertising, operating costs, and escrow services. You may have found the domain from their search, which is powered by the upfront fee's from which their sellers are required to pay to have their domain listed categorically with searchable tags . If you found the domain on your own through the URL itself, then you'll find a description paid for by their sellers, and a logo that their sellers will be required to purchase if you decide to buy the domain. You will have no way of knowing if our seller paid $100 or $500 for the logo to be designed. You don't even have to use the logo if you don't want to, our seller is obligated to buy your logo regardless if you want it or not.

In short, if the domain sells, the seller will be forced to buy the concept logo BrandBucket provided as a visual aid intended to help sell the domain. Why is the seller required to buy the concept logo if BrandBucket was the one who promised a logo to the buyer with their purchase? What if they don't want the logo? Why do we still have to pay for it after the purchase price? I don't see any reason why the logo fee should come from the seller when it's BrandBucket making and approving the logo. If I'm going to be forced to buy my buyer a $100-$500 logo after the domain sells, why do I have to pay for BB's concept logo that took 10 minutes to make? If this is the case, at the very least, I should be satisfied with the concept logo being used to sell my domain over other domains with premium concept logos.

If we looked at this like an NBA trade
: Gains / Losses

Buyer: 100% total sale | Domain | Proof of concept logo
Seller: 70% total sale | Domain | $10 (to BB) | $100-$500 (proof of concept logo)
BrandBucket: 30% of total sale | $10 (from seller)


How do we account for value:: Seller / Marketplace
  • Domain investment ie renewals / purchase price vs Operating cost ie staff, advertising, etc
  • Buyers that find your domain via YOUR type in traffic / marketing vs buyers that find your domain through BrandBucket's search and their marketing

I get what you are saying and you laid it out well, I think the one point is that you are not buying the logo for your buyer, you are compensating the logo designer
who may have designed it on spec 3 years ago.

Now there is a case to be made. "Hey BrandBucket you get 30% you can tip the designer"

Look I just think people either have to say I trust Margot and Michael and I believe they are earning their keep, or this is nonsense $10 + 30% + Logo fee + Exclusivity.

They are transparent about all their fees and demands, whether a domain owner should enter into a contract with them is an individual decision.
 
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Done without compensation in the hopes of remuneration somewhere down the line.

Thank you for clarifying this. I would appreciate it if somebody could finally set the record straight on how BrandBucket designers are compensated. I have had this request ignored several times.

I have heard variations of the following from unofficial sources:

Designers are given the option to be paid:
(a) small payment upfront + no bonus
(b) no upfront payment + bonus
(c) small fee + bonus

I think it's important for us to know. Here's why:

if (a) then what is the small upfront payment? This is essentially a discounted listing fee with no logo fee if we were a designer/seller. Does BB use a % of my upfront fee to pay the designer an upfront fee and then pocket the logo bonus I paid for?

If (b) then the benefit is to the skill of the designer. It wouldn't help me as a volume seller. I don't mind rewarding the designer for their time. My problem is with the logos that don't take much time. This rewards designers who spend 1 hour on a design just as much as it rewards designers who spend 5 minutes.

If (c) then the designer is equally benefited to those seller/desingers. If I submitted my own logo's in (a) I would make a small fee, by not having to pay a small upfront fee and sold bonus to BB designers. This fee is used to pay designers (c). The designer is now incentivized to making more logos. The more logo's they design, the more upfront money they receive, and the better their chances are at receiving a reward fee. If designers understand it's the domain that sells, not the concept logo, what's incentivizing them do design better logo's over more logos?


PS - I miss the voting system. IMO BB took a turn for the worse when they went away with it. When listing fee's were free for voters, it was hard to have an issue with the free upfront concept logo's. This is a matter of wanting to get what we paid for and/or cutting our margins to be beneficial to both parties. If I have 1,000 domains approved for BrandBucket, I have to pay $9,000 up front in listing fee's + $9,000/year + forward my domains + sell exclusively on BB + 30% + additional fee's for a concept logo they promised to their buyer?
 
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Michael Krell has said more than once that the logo designers do not receive any part of the listing fee. Log designers are paid if and when the domain sells.

BrandBucket, Namerific and Brandroot all charge listing fees. I got a year of free listings on BrandBucket through their voting system and I'm pretty happy about that. It saved me a ton of money while I was building my portfolio. The Go Daddy coupons helped too. But that's all gone now. Times change I guess.
 
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I got a year of free listings on BrandBucket through their voting system and I'm pretty happy about that.

Well done! There are many other BrandBucket members who did the same, and are now able to sit back and reap the benefits of a volume BB seller. Some still have credits built up from the golden days. New members now have to pay to play to build a large portfolio.

BrandBucket, Namerific and Brandroot all charge listing fees

Namerific is a nonexlusive marketplace that's always offered FREE listing fee's for premium domains like 4Ls, and other quality brandables. They charge for second tier domains that they estimate may need a little extra help selling.

Michael Krell has said more than once that the logo designers do not receive any part of the listing fee. Log designers are paid if and when the domain sells.

So you're saying desingers are not paid upfront? I don't want to hear about how they do their accounting. Do their designers receive any money upfront?

If they do pay their designers upfront on spec as @equity78 suggested, then this is part of the upfront listing fee whether MK admits to it or not.

The Go Daddy coupons helped too. But that's all gone now. Times change I guess.

Other registrars have evolved to sell .coms cheaper than what they were when GoDaddy was the king of coupons. On special days, I am can reg 6 .coms for 1 year at the equivalent price of 1 BB listing fee.
 
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If they do pay their designers upfront on spec as @equity78 suggested, then this is part of the upfront listing fee whether MK admits to it or not.
Sorry, that came out wrong. Let me rephrase:

If they pay their designers solely on spec with no upfront money, then MK would be correct in saying their designers don't receive part of the upfront listing fee. (b)

If they pay their designers any money upfront, then I don't how this isn't part of the listing fee. (a)(c)

(a) small payment upfront + no bonus

(b) no payment upfront + bonus
(c) small payment upfront + bonus
 
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I'm an outsider.

Almost $17,000 has hit my bank account thanks to BB in the last 12 months (that's with all of the commission and fees removed). $8,000 of that has been "withdrawn" and the remaining $9,000 has been reinvested. I now have over 500 domains with a total value of $1,150,000 on BB.

This does not include my rejects which I've sold off cheaply (mainly here).
Congrats on your growth @JimJammy - I wish you more continued success!

Out of curiosity, how many of your 500 domains were published from free listing fee's via the old voting system?
 
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Interesting situation.

An end user effectively decided they didn't want to pay my BB list price but clearly liked the logo and the name (it's a made up word).

So much so they set up a social meda page with the BB logo design for my name, registered a business name with the domain "name+keyword+keyword" website not yet active but registered long after I published mine. The logo is posted on their social media pages.

I got on to BB but I'm wondering if anyone has ever experienced something similar? I've held off contacting the culprit for now despite the temptation to pick up the phone and give them a piece of my mind. :)

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I haven't experienced this or heard of this happening to anyone else.

Can you share more details? Do you want help contacting the culprit? ...If you contact them, and they ignore you, it'd be interesting to have an obnoxious amount of NPers / BBers come to your aid by FB messaging the culprit notifying them they are required to purchase the domain from BrandBucket in order to use the logo. :D

Or, you could contact them peacefully as you would any other enduser, and let them know you are not happy with them using your logo. You can even offer this shady enduser the domain for a discounted price. They obviously saw the logo via BrandBucket, and were too cheap to purchase the domain at full price. Perhaps they'd jump on an opportunity to become legally compliant by purchasing your domain at a discounted price if you're willing to drop the price.
 
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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I haven't experienced this or heard of this happening to anyone else.

Can you share more details? Do you want help contacting the culprit? ...If you contact them, and they ignore you, it'd be interesting to have an obnoxious amount of NPers / BBers come to your aid by FB messaging the culprit notifying them they are required to purchase the domain from BrandBucket in order to use the logo. :D

Or, you could contact them peacefully as you would any other enduser, and let them know you are not happy with them using your logo. You can even offer this shady enduser the domain for a discounted price. They obviously saw the logo via BrandBucket, and were too cheap to purchase the domain at full price. Perhaps they'd jump on an opportunity to become legally compliant by purchasing your domain at a discounted price if you're willing to drop the price.

I'm going to sit tight for now until I hear back from BB. Best to leave the gung ho approach until all other avenues are explored. :)

I'll let you know if there's any interesting updates.
 
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Or, it is not doubling the letter, but rather merging two words Automation+Attic.

attic
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noun at·tic \ˈa-tik\
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words
Simple Definition of attic
  • : a room or space that is just below the roof of a building and that is often used to store things

I think the reason for two t's in Automattic is for founder Matt Mullenweg so AutoMattic.
 
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Another name sold yesterday...
 
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I think the reason for two t's in Automattic is for founder Matt Mullenweg so AutoMattic.
Yea, someone else told me that too. And I've also heard that the domain was bought 12 years ago so it's not part of a current trend as I had alluded earlier. Thanks for the info, Equity78!
 
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You can offer any price you like for your logo.

Those with higher prices get grabbed first (understandably) by the logo designers. Offering a higher price for a logo gives you the advantage of getting your logo made quicker, and therefore get your name on the site quicker. Nothing else.

This was particularly relevent in the old days when it could take 2 or 3 months from submitting your name to getting listed. Brandbucket has improved their listing process since then and it doesn't take anywhere near that long anymore.

Nice name BTW :)
 
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Those with higher prices, get grabbed first (understandably) by the logo designers. Offering a higher price for a logo gives you the advantage of getting your logo made quicker. Nothing else.

DIdnt know that...
Thanks
 
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I've just seen the new BB dashboard! This is great information, and I can now compare how well I'm doing against other members.

It's already given me a few ideas on how I can improve :)

Thanks BB :)
 
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@michaeljkrell

Congrats on the dashboard! Got the news via the new format newsletter signed by you.

I was very surprised by the numbers you used there and would appreciate if you explain them.

See the quote below according to which you claim that 50 sellers have done 17% or better, 50 sellers have done 10-17% range and 50 sellers have done 8-10%.

Now, did you include in this sellers that have, for example, 5 domains as well or you had certain cut-off? If you have included those, this is a clear data manipulation, as those numbers don't show how good the names were or how successful the top 150 are, it just shows a dumb luck and is not representative.

Let's say you have 200 sellers each of which have 5 similar quality names. Based on your sell through ratio for the whole platform and given that this names are average, total of 40 names would be sold among 200 sellers, and with good chance that 40 sellers would have 1 name sold, 160 - zero. Which should not be basis for you to boast that your top 40 sellers selling at 17%+ ratio.

Yes, we did ask for more data to which you have access, but please be so kind as to provide it free of manipulation and with underlying numbers.

Unless a seller has a statistically significant number of domains in his portfolio, his sell through numbers should not be part of this stat. Having at least 50 names would be a good starting point.

The next concern, you shared the top searched keywords, but stopped only at top 15, while you yourself have access to as many as you wish. Why not to share top 100 or even top 1000 instead of driving competition up for the top 15? Especially given that many of the top searches, if not all, are more like search of category rather than real keyword to be present in the brand (marketing, social, technology, software, real estate). You are not saying that the guy searching for "real estate" actually bought a name that contained "realestate" as part of it, something like "realestately"?

Concern number 3, you promote adding 4L without sharing important data. I have about 200 4Ls, but before I would consider adding any, I would need to know the average sellthrough for 4Ls specifically in last year, last quarter.

You mention listing at 5-20x of acquisiton cost at your marketplace as something good, while for most of regular brandables the listing is 50-100 times of acquisition cost. Unless the sell through % is compensating for it, there is no point in bringing in a liquid asset that gets offers regularly by itself or would sell at any marketplace easily without 30% commission plus other fees.


The Question of Sell-Through Rates
There has been a lot of talk about sell-through rates and comparing brandable marketplaces solely on this metric. While this can be a useful measure, it is important to take into consideration many other factors, such as the average sales price which we mentioned above. Could we sell considerably more names each month if we encouraged our sellers to accept low offers? You bet we could, but we don’t because this is a short-sighted decision that will only negatively affect sellers in the long run.

We feel that instead of comparing sell-through rates of an entire marketplace, it is more beneficial to view sell-through rates measured on an individual basis. When you have a marketplace with a small amount of very active sellers, that marketplace may very well have a higher sell-through rate than one with a large number of inactive sellers. In the case of BrandBucket, let's look at the 150 sellers with the best sell-through rates.

  • The top 50 sellers have a sell-through rate of 17% or better

  • The next 50 sellers have a sell-through rate of 10%-17%.

  • The next 50 sellers have a sell-through rate of 8%-10%
*The sell-through rate is measured by taking the average number of names published in the past 12 months divided by the number sales in the past 12 months.
 
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@michaeljkrell I had replied via an email you sent me but still havent heard back. I am still not receiving the seller's email (received it once last year and not anymore). Could you PM me so we can make sure that I receive it? Also, do you have the old newsletters accessible for sellers anywhere since I did not receive all of them?

Thanks!
 
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