Brandbucket Challenges Dnbolt For Reporting Sales Data

[Dnbolt]

Hi guys today I made a final decision to join namepros. I don’t normally participate in forums discussions etc. I have BIG concern that I want to share with you and get your opinions.

Little bit about myself: l am a student, I recently developed interest in data, I am a part time domain investor, I spend most of my time creating unbeatable algorithms and finally as you may know I publish BB sales at dnbolt

About a year I started developing interests in brandabale domain. I needed to get some insight about sold domains from brandbucket but quickly learnt brandbucket doesn’t publish them. But fortunately enough we all know that in the domain name world most data is obtainable, right?

To keep things short, I have been getting emails from brandbucket asking me if I can prevent making the data crawlable by search engine technically asking me to make the content available to just myself.
Months later I got a forwarded email asking if I can obfuscate the sold domains I have listed to prevent google indexing the content. But to be honest if google index my content on search how is that my problem?
Surprisingly they have even gone the extent of contacting my hosting provider. I was a little bit upset that they contacted my hosting as I was only being helpful providing data to those who needed it and instead of getting a pat on the back for my hard work, I got accused and an invisible spanking.


My question to you is.

1. How can a marketplace try to claim ownership or exclusive rights to a domain that has been SOLD and no longer listed on the site for sale?
2. How can a SOLD DOMAIN still belong to the previous marketplace in any way, shape or or form?
3. Why can’t they be happy that I am helping them to publish sales data for free?
4. Does BB have any right to challenge Dnbolt for the kind service he renders?
5. Do I have to listen to BB and stop proving sales data to the public?


I would like to hear your thoughts thanks.

 

[Brandworthy]

As @jberryhill said @Dnbolt is in the clear.

I have the utmost respect for the professional credentials of @jberryhill but nowhere in his comment can I see a definitive answer as to whether pricing information (which cannot be sourced anywhere else) could be subject to copyright. The only (non-legal) example I can give is live feeds of pricing from world stock markets. These are subject to copyright, and those copyrights are enforced vigorously by the owners of said content.

Regardless, IMO the request to not have this data indexed by search engines seems entirely proportional to me. What's the big deal with obfuscating this so that it cant be found so easily? Best of both worlds comes to mind here...

 

[GBA]

Hi guys today I made a final decision to join namepros. I don’t normally participate in forums discussions etc. I have BIG concern that I want to share with you and get your opinions.

Little bit about myself: l am a student, I recently developed interest in data, I am a part time domain investor, I spend most of my time creating unbeatable algorithms and finally as you may know I publish BB sales at dnbolt

About a year I started developing interests in brandabale domain. I needed to get some insight about sold domains from brandbucket but quickly learnt brandbucket doesn’t publish them. But fortunately enough we all know that in the domain name world most data is obtainable, right?

To keep things short, I have been getting emails from brandbucket asking me if I can prevent making the data crawlable by search engine technically asking me to make the content available to just myself.
Months later I got a forwarded email asking if I can obfuscate the sold domains I have listed to prevent google indexing the content. But to be honest if google index my content on search how is that my problem?
Surprisingly they have even gone the extent of contacting my hosting provider. I was a little bit upset that they contacted my hosting as I was only being helpful providing data to those who needed it and instead of getting a pat on the back for my hard work, I got accused and an invisible spanking.


My question to you is.

1. How can a marketplace try to claim ownership or exclusive rights to a domain that has been SOLD and no longer listed on the site for sale?
2. How can a SOLD DOMAIN still belong to the previous marketplace in any way, shape or or form?
3. Why can’t they be happy that I am helping them to publish sales data for free?
4. Does BB have any right to challenge Dnbolt for the kind service he renders?
5. Do I have to listen to BB and stop proving sales data to the public?


I would like to hear your thoughts thanks.

How about a list of rejections? You'd be my hero.

 

[Theydon]

Lets say for a moment you park the discussion on what is technically right or wrong. You are then left with a question about what is best for you over the longer term. In my experience it is better to have harmony over discord, having both BB and their sellers on board is the best position imo. I would move towards BB via obfuscating, I think there is more to gain by taking this position.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[GoKaizen]

I think it's also proper to remind everyone that BB gives premium placement to their brand ambassador who accounts for the 'great percent' of the sold domains.

And domains owned by BB.

On other threads some people are claiming the 'normal' sales rate to be 5%, so for you to have almost any success you will need to list hundreds of domains at $10 per name. Then you pay their success sale and logo fees on top of that.

BB 30% fee which is 10%-15% higher than other marketplaces. The sales rate is much lower than that.

 

[buywebsites.biz]

Ordinarily I would say skip the obfuscation (image or otherwise), just tell the googlebot not to index the page by placing the following in your header:

<meta name="robots" content="noindex">​

But I see that you're listing these names alphabetically on your home page, and so probably not a good idea to 'noindex' your home page

My suggestions:

• Only list the most recent BB sales on your home page. These will get pushed off the homepage whenever you update, and as added measure I see you're using the 'noarchive' meta tag on your homepage which means Google won't cache your recent sales listings.
• Put a link under the selection of these recently added names for people to see the entire alphabetized table.
• Make sure these alphabetized data pages (which include your sub-pages like dnbolt.com/index.php?page=3) have the 'noindex' meta tag.

 

[Dnbolt]

Ordinarily I would say skip the obfuscation (image or otherwise), just tell the googlebot not to index the page by placing the following in your header:

<meta name="robots" content="noindex">​

But I see that you're listing these names alphabetically on your home page, and so probably not a good idea to 'noindex' your home page

My suggestions:

• Only list the most recent BB sales on your home page. These will get pushed off the homepage whenever you update, and as added measure I see you're using the 'noarchive' meta tag on your homepage which means Google won't cache your recent sales listings.
• Put a link under the selection of these recently added names for people to see the entire alphabetized table.
• Make sure these alphabetized data pages (which include your sub-pages like dnbolt.com/index.php?page=3) have the 'noindex' meta tag.

Thanks I have PM you.

 

[GoKaizen]

If BB doesn't want Dnbolt.com to have indexed sales history @Dnbolt should charge them $10 per domain name. It would be a nice courtesy.

 

[Grilled]

Other places have release sales domains in the passed. I don't know why they're singling you out. Oh yeah, because your service is helping us become more informed! or because you're new to domaining, and have yet to be accepted to the 'boys club'

http://tldinvestors.com/2013/07/brand-bucket-sales-inside-the-numbers.html
http://dngeek.com/2015/05/here-are-1134-names-that-sold-on-brandbucket/

ExampleDomain.com > E/x/a/m/p/l/e/D/o/m/a/i/n.com > E/x/a/m/p/l/e/D/o/m/a/i/n.com

BB is only asking that you use obfuscation. E/x/a/m/p/l/e or E.x.a.m.p.l.e instead of Example on your website. This will help protect the buyers and businesses of these names. And also indirectly protect the domain sellers. We feel hiding the names from the search engines is the proper thing to do. Thank you for your understanding and we hope you have continued success selling on BB!

I challenge you @Domainzy to come up with a single original idea that will help BrandBucket sellers as much as DNBolt has. Use your imagination if you have to...

 

[Dnbolt]

Someone is trying to mess with my site to try and get me off Google but I am going to get that sorted out.

 

[Dnbolt]

It is not that straight forward. Overall, for most four letter names, brandable marketplaces are not as great.

If BB suggested $10,000, I am assuming, the name could be reseller worth $500-1500.

Now compare with the cost of regular 5L, 6L brandable that costs $20-40 to acquire and list normally and its sales price of around $2000.

In other words, unless sell through % for 4L.com is much much higher (no such data has been presented so far, maybe @Dnbolt can help), you could as well make a quick sale of your 4L, buy 20-40 approved 5L,6L names and list them there.

You have to realize that once listed, it has to sell through the marketplace (you can delist with 30 day notice) and that can take zero to 20 years depending on your luck )

4L Domain could exits as it's own breed but sometimes as a brandable but haven't seen much sales on those on brandbucket if I am wrong krell should step in. I just started a series called Brandbucket Daily Sales Analysis which might be interesting. On the homepage I saw the sale of alap(.)com this month which was listed for $6,895. There could be more but I guess one could check. Interestingly enough the domain caleidoscope(.)com being 2 letter keyword was listed and sold for a higher price.

 

[Dnbolt]

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This looks delicious. Was this report generated from your end?

 

[Recons.Com]

4L Domain could exits as it's own breed but sometimes as a brandable but haven't seen much sales on those on brandbucket if I am wrong krell should step in. I just started a series called Brandbucket Daily Sales Analysis which might be interesting. On the homepage I saw the sale of alap(.)com this month which was listed for $6,895. There could be more but I guess one could check. Interestingly enough the domain caleidoscope(.)com being 2 letter keyword was listed and sold for a higher price.

But if you have complete DB of sales for 2016 up to April, you can check how many of those are 4L and check how many 4Ls are listed at BB. Then we reduce the listed number slightly to account for growth in inventory and see % of sales for this.

 

[Dnbolt]

"Interestingly enough the domain caleidoscope(.)com being 2 letter keyword was listed and sold for a higher price."

Caleidoscope is a one word brandable based on "Kaleidoscope"

But if you look at it the other way can't we say it contain the a keyword scope?

 

[Dnbolt]

But if you have complete DB of sales for 2016 up to April, you can check how many of those are 4L and check how many 4Ls are listed at BB. Then we reduce the listed number slightly to account for growth in inventory and see % of sales for this.

You have a strong point seems like I have another assignment to do.

 

[Ted Levy]

Yout just an exception out of the other 1000+ user. Would you mind telling me/us how much you was your total investment and your strategy so we can learn from you and give credits to you.

LOL, yes please tell us your strategy so we can do the same thing you are doing and we make the money instead of you!

 

[Dnbolt]

LOL, yes please tell us your strategy so we can do the same thing you are doing and we make the money instead of you!

Well I know one of her strategy was to secretly monitor brandbucket sales and then become mad at me( and trying to chase me up) when I made this info publicly available and hence creating competition for her.

 

[Dnbolt]

Well I know one of her strategy was to secretly monitor brandbucket sales and then become mad at me( and trying to chase me up) when I made this info publicly available and hence creating competition for her.

@JimJammy can you deny this?

 

[JimJammy]

Well I know one of her strategy was to secretly monitor brandbucket sales and then become mad at me when I made this info publicly available and hence creating competition for her.

I became mad at you for posting my sales, sales prices, and personal details on your website and here at Namepros. I do NOT appreciate you disclosing my business to anyone.

Furthermore, BB have repeatedly asked you NOT to post details of their sales. Any recent purchaser conducting a search for their name is going to find your post/s and this can put clients off making future purchases.

Not only are you hurting BB, you are hurting me and ALL sellers on BB to feed your ego!

Hi @Dnbolt All we have asked is that you obfuscate the names and not allow the site to be indexed in order to keep the sale confidential for our customers. The indexing of these sales can have a negative impact on our sellers if our customers see their names listed. are not pleased, and shy away from making future purchases.

 

[Dnbolt]

I became mad at you for posting my sales, sales prices, and personal details on your website and here at Namepros. I do NOT appreciate you disclosing my business to anyone.

Furthermore, BB have repeatedly asked you NOT to post details of their sales. Any recent purchaser conducting a search for their name is going to find your post/s and this can put clients off making future purchases.

Not only are you hurting BB, you are hurting me and ALL sellers on BB to feed your ego!

My dear I instantly removed the emails when I got an alert from brandbucket. I did not publish anywhere else. Now, I have already fixed the concern about indexing by making data to be image. So I assume we are all good now otherwise let me know.

 

[JimJammy]

My dear I instantly removed the emails when I got an alert from brandbucket. I did not publish anywhere else. Now, I have already fixed the concern about indexing by making data to be image.

You are continually posting sales information despite being asked NOT to.

Even today... https://www.namepros.com/threads/brandbucket-daily-sales-analysis.945088/

1. I do not appreciate my personal information being passed around the internet.
2. It is MY business if I sold a domain and what price I sold it for, not yours nor anyone elses.
3. There are people (more than one) that you have taken it upon yourself to provide my email address, and details of my sales to, that think it's OK to contact me... they expect free tutoring/advice. It's not OK.
4. BB clearly state on their website that the DO NOT ALLOW details of their sales to be shared: Information on any domain name sold at BrandBucket, including the name, price and/or logo design may not be listed on your personal website or other marketplace without BrandBucket's approval. BrandBucket retains the right to be the sole publisher of sales information in order to comply with customers' needs to make this information private at any time.
5. In THIS thread Michael has further stated that this could have a negative impact on sellers/customers. I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales.