discuss Beating Dropcatch.com ? Possible ?

[Siddharth W]

Can we beat Dropcatch or Other big Backordering Service if we use 100's of DesktopCatcher or Similiar Software on 100's of 10+ Gb's VPS with 1000's Of API, On a Single Domain? What I think that Dropcatch.com definitely not waste that resource of Single Domain. So, What are chance to succeed acc. to you?

 

[Kate]

I was using verisign public whois, dropcatch have private access to more than 1500 registrar.

Their whois server is not real-time, it may be off by 5 minutes at least, you just don't stand a chance working like this. Snap speed is measured in milliseconds.

I dont think services are checking whois, they try to register domains directly and widely.

Indeed, they use the EPP protocol:
check domain and if available: register domain.

Is it really the registrars that choose when a domain is "let go"? That sounds like the job of the registry to me.

Indeed. When the domain goes to redemption status it is beyond the control of the registrar. It can still be redeemed though but at a price.

 

[werty]

It's cheaper to use snapnames $79 level and dropcatch $59 level than the funding you will require to just compete with dropcatch and snapnames. Not worth it imo. Look at how Pheenix lost in the game even with xxx registrars....

 

[Dave]

Look at how Pheenix lost in the game even with xxx registrars....

I have a sneaky suspicion they lost because of bad development of their catching software.

 

[davidc1]

I have a sneaky suspicion they lost because of bad development of their catching software.

some customers told they ve been screwed by them. (fake bids)

 

[werty]

Yeah they definitely were under performing in regards to the amount of registrars they had. That's another very big expense for dropcatching.. Coding.. And I guess it never ends as it requires tweaking further on.

 

[backordr]

Can we beat Dropcatch or Other big Backordering Service if we use 100's of DesktopCatcher or Similiar Software on 100's of 10+ Gb's VPS with 1000's Of API, On a Single Domain? What I think that Dropcatch.com definitely not waste that resource of Single Domain. So, What are chance to succeed acc. to you?

I’d like to chime in here to clear some things up for everyone.

Dropcatch is a domain registrar, and has many registrars in their arsenal. This CAN help them out, but isn't necessarily needed for what they’re doing.

Domain registries offer communications with registrars over the EPP protocol (see RFC 5730,31). Domain names drop at seemingly random times, but it’s a first come first serve basis.

Their arsenal of registrars kinda helps by essentially DDOSing the registries with commands to create the dropped domain name, but any technical person with an understanding of networking can tell you that this is overkill, and can be achieved at the same level with much less resources if you understand the network protocol.

What Dropcatch has done is similar to startup companies who don’t know how to write code at scale, and simply add more servers to deal with traffic. While it works, it’s crazy expensive and leads to a lot of overhead to manage. Think HFT (high frequency trading) for domain names. High concurrency and low latency beat everything else.

So, TLDR, it’s absolutely possible to beat dropcatch.com IF you’re a domain registrar and understand the EPP protocol and also network engineering. You will not beat them using a third party api through another registrar that isn’t designed for drop catching.

 

[werty]

.com has a drop order provided by the registry and it's not random as you have mentioned. It won't happen with your current setup...... Perhaps you just know about cc tlds? You really think companies like dropcatch and snapnames invest millions of dollars instead of considering network engineering? LOL . Try beating them.... Don't get me wrong; I don't like them at all.

 

[backordr]

.com has a drop order provided by the registry and it's not random as you have mentioned. It won't happen with your current setup...... Perhaps you just know about cc tlds? You really think companies like dropcatch and snapnames invest millions of dollars instead of considering network engineering? LOL . Try beating them.... Don't get me wrong; I don't like them at all.

I never definitively admitted domain names drop at random times. I know .com isn’t random. I also know that the protocol to create domain records doesn’t care how many requests were made. If the request comes in at a time after the domain drops, that request is respected.

Speaking from personal experience, you’d be surprised what goes on behind the scenes at large companies. Assuming they have all their ducks in a row and are the best of the best is a poor assumption at best. They absolutely can be beat, and it can absolutely be done in an intelligent fashion, rather than a simple brute force approach.

 

[Muhaysen]

No they are a strong snipers

 

[domainer111]

Does anyone know what the going rate is for an off-the-shelf registrar and how to get one?

 

[Ostrados]

The question is why beat them and how this will benefit domainers community? if someone was able to beat them and got dropped domains privately it will not be fair game for others.. at least drop catching venues play fair game and put catched domains into auction if there is more than 1 bidder.

New drop catching service is always welcomed "if" it is public service not private, competition is always a good thing for customers and will lower prices.

 

[Hypersot]

...competition is always a good thing for customers and will lower prices.

Competition will lower prices for customers only for customers to raise the prices back even higher than what they were before

I agree with you though, not good for just one entity to get everything.

 

[Ostrados]

Competition will lower prices for customers only for customers to raise the prices back even higher than what they were before

I agree with you though, not good for just one entity to get everything.

Actually more drop catching services will guarantee reduction of prices for both:

1. Drop Catching feeds: more service providers will mean new ones will offer the service at lower fees
2. Auction Bids: more drop catching services will reduce the pressure in auctions in general, because users will be spread among different venues, and thus density of bidders per venue will be less.

 

[Hypersot]

Actually more drop catching services will guarantee reduction of prices for both:

1. Drop Catching feeds: more service providers will mean new ones will offer the service at lower fees
2. Auction Bids: more drop catching services will reduce the pressure in auctions in general, because users will be spread among different venues, and thus density of bidders per venue will be less.

You know very well that what you mention is only in theory; in practice we have two houses that catch everything with one of them being -potentially- so cheap (~$10) that no-one else can compete... but ofc the 'customers' will show up and skyrocket the price.

While I wouldn't like just one entity getting everything, I wouldn't mind if that entity was me :D

 

[Ostrados]

While I wouldn't like just one entity getting everything, I wouldn't mind if that entity was me :D

If you made a successful private drop catching system, then you will find it more profitable to open it for public auctions (to compensate the costs) than keeping the domains for yourself.. so you will end up creating another Namejet.

 

[E-Promote]

Absolutely enjoyed this thread, thought I would add some food for thought when it comes to "the little guy" which is 99% of us. You either have time or you have money (big $). If you have much more time than you have money then focus it on what will get the best returns with little risk.

The existing drop catching services offer you little risk, but you have to put in the time to research what is worth going after. You can dream all day, all week all month, all year long how you are going to join the big boys even though you don't have anywhere near the $ or the experience to actually pull it off and as you spend your time dreaming you are allowing the main leverage that you have to go to waste: time.

The juicier days seemed to have passed, but there are waves here and there that you can catch if you continue to show up and grind away. I used to be able to count on 10+ decent names a day, these days it's closer to 1-2 on average, but that is still stacking wins and it is 1-2 more than I would have had if i just sat around wasting time.

 

[Samer]

Scroll down the ICANN accredited list, and tell me how long it takes to pass "DropCatch LLC"

they own too much, "Play the game" dont try to beat DropCatch, Spend $59 on the backorder.

Samer

 

[Armageddon]

Scroll down the ICANN accredited list, and tell me how long it takes you to pass "DropCatch LLC"

they own too much, "Play the game" dont try to beat DropCatch, spend $59 on the backorder

So this is not a break rules of Antitrust law ?
Imo i think it is & ICANN or other legal entities should offer equal chances & impose new regulations, let's say max 25 accredited per registrar.We are in 2020 not in 1999
If you want to be good as registrar be good on tech not possibility to pay hundred thousands of $ to ICANN

 

[Samer]

So this is not a break rules of Antitrust law ?
Imo i think it is & ICANN or other legal entities should offer equal chances , let's say max 25 accredited per reg.

We’ve always heard DropCatch “monopoly”
but never a solution.

i like this. too bad it will prob never be done, but I really like this. Do most even have 25?

the systems been gamed, how much DC own?

Samer