discuss Beating Dropcatch.com ? Possible ?

[Siddharth W]

Can we beat Dropcatch or Other big Backordering Service if we use 100's of DesktopCatcher or Similiar Software on 100's of 10+ Gb's VPS with 1000's Of API, On a Single Domain? What I think that Dropcatch.com definitely not waste that resource of Single Domain. So, What are chance to succeed acc. to you?

 

[golan]

Or if someone creates 1,000 new registrars and builds a new and competitive open drop catching service, then we would all have to start backordering in two venues instead of one to maintain our success rates. What would be the point or advantage of that?

Competition is always good for consumers.

 

[Kate]

At the same time Pheenix dropped most of their registrars, clearly the game was no longer cost-effective for them. The same could happen to DC at some point.
That game doesn't look sustainable in the long term.

 

[FPForum]

@Dave I think you're cost estimates are probably fairly accurate. For someone looking to get in that deep at this point in time would be a bit risky. @golan DropCatch is certainly raking in the money, but think of the cost it would take to set everything up, and how long it would take to return all of that. Not to mention you're still competing with DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet and other smaller registrars. I can't remember if VeriSign does renewals for registrars, but it wouldn't surprise me. With hundreds of registrars that's now another yearly cost you might have to factor in. Not to mention company renewals for each of your registered businesses which the registrars are under each year. It's like @Kate just mentioned - such a large setup could become hard to maintain. More and more of the *best* names that dropped before aren't dropping again. I think people these days are much more aware of what they have, and always keeping the more premium-type names renewed. For a setup like DropCatch or NameJet to keep that huge machine running I would imagine they need their fair share of $XXXX auctions. The few hundred dollar auctions are nice, but with the bills they probably have each year I imagine they need those big auctions too. Not to say something like an LLL.com won't ever drop again, but for those places it's probably important great names like that which can bring them several thousands of dollars in one auction continue to drop for them to grab. Once those dry up and they're sales are mostly around the $500-$1k range there might not be enough to sustain hundreds of registrars in your arsenal. I'd be a little curious what the average auction price is for DropCatch right now. I'd be even more curious what it is in comparison to 5 years ago. More? Less?

@BrandableDomain I hear what you're saying. Before DropCatch came around it was pretty much NameJet and SnapNames grabbing all the top-notch names dropping each day. Even with all the problems and shady practices SnapNames had they were still getting great names and if you wanted one you had to give them your business. Competition is nice like @golan said and that's exactly what DropCatch brought, some real competition. At this day in age it's the two old places that are now needing to play catch up to the newer company that had a solid plan, put it into motion, and essentially become the best at it. Props to the Reberry family!

 

[domainer111]

For regular domainers, without any shadow of a doubt, the best thing is not to alert other domainers if you find a good expiring domain.

That means just bidding quietly at snapnames.com *only* on the day (don't bid the day before).

You can always join the auction later (if one starts) at dropcatch, but snapnames.com is your best chance. I would say it's 60/40 now to DropCatch.

That means for $79 you can beat dropcatch if nobody else bids.

I must hand it to HugeDomains they really know what they are doing. Buy low sell high(er) is your path to success. The lower you pay for your domains, the greater your odds of success. The more you overpay in an auction for an expired domain - just because it is expired - the less your odds of success.

 

[davidc1]

For regular domainers, without any shadow of a doubt, the best thing is not to alert other domainers if you find a good expiring domain.

That means just bidding quietly at snapnames.com *only* on the day (don't bid the day before).

You can always join the auction later (if one starts) at dropcatch, but snapnames.com is your best chance. I would say it's 60/40 now to DropCatch.

That means for $79 you can beat dropcatch if nobody else bids.

I must hand it to HugeDomains they really know what they are doing. Buy low sell high(er) is your path to success. The lower you pay for your domains, the greater your odds of success. The more you overpay in an auction for an expired domain - just because it is expired - the less your odds of success.

exactly, many domainers have this strategy due to dc and hd now.

Many domains sold by dc goes to customers who did not backorder, they only follow current auctions for their investment. they use thework of others who backordered...

 

[Isac]

The only way to beat drop catch is to buy them

 

[Sami Ketolainen]

Well, everything is possible - Different thing is what is your changes to succeed?

 

[D Haynes]

Isn't dropcatching/backordering slowly becoming a thing of the past now that the registrar's are auctioning off their own expired domains before they even drop (GD, Name, Namesilo, etc)? I would imagine the market has declined considerably in recent years. HD is the next business model for the big spenders, by which I mean buying everything worth anything on the expired auctions. Maybe DC will start to move into buying the backordered names from the expired auctions on their clients behalfs.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned or makes no sense.

 

[DomainChat.net]

The only way to beat drop catch is to buy them

how much they company worth approximately?
checking my wallet.... :D

Isn't dropcatching/backordering slowly becoming a thing of the past now that the registrar's are auctioning off their own expired domains before they even drop (GD, Name, Namesilo, etc)? I would imagine the market has declined considerably in recent years. HD is the next business model for the big spenders, by which I mean buying everything worth anything on the expired auctions. Maybe DC will start to move into buying the backordered names from the expired auctions on their clients behalfs.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned or makes no sense.

you are right too, wonder why some great domains falling from each registrar internal auction at first

 

[bsdomains]

Isn't dropcatching/backordering slowly becoming a thing of the past now that the registrar's are auctioning off their own expired domains before they even drop (GD, Name, Namesilo, etc)? I would imagine the market has declined considerably in recent years. HD is the next business model for the big spenders, by which I mean buying everything worth anything on the expired auctions. Maybe DC will start to move into buying the backordered names from the expired auctions on their clients behalfs.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned or makes no sense.

Already DC doing this, I've participated an auction on GD but lost, later i can see that domain transfered to "NB / TurnCommerce" listed for sale on hugedomains(so i believe the last bidder is DC).

 

[D Haynes]

Already DC doing this, I've participated an auction on GD but lost, later i can see that domain transfered to "NB / TurnCommerce" listed for sale on hugedomains(so i believe the last bidder is DC).

Slowly killing the game for the little man. Even average names are out of my price range now due to the big boys taking the prices up.

 

[creataweb]

I think if you have the money to build something similar then yes you can beat them.

 

[BrandSac]

short story: no, you have zero chance.

long story: in january 2018 i decide to build my own dropcatching service (p.s. am high skilled programmer with strong academic background), after spending some time reading about domain life cycle testing programing languages benchmark for this project, i deiced to use golang (programing language created by google in 2009) and after couple months of developing, the essential functionality was ready to start working on full automation, in one month of running i catched 0 domain (p.s. i was targeting only very high quality .com), after analyzing data this is what i found:
Best case scenario my system was slow by 80 milliseconds (the server where my application was hosted is in virginia close to verisign servers because every milliseconds it counts in this game).
They catched approximately 95% of my recommendation list.
I was using verisign public whois, dropcatch have private access to more than 1500 registrar.

 

[bsdomains]

short story: no, you have zero chance.

long story: in january 2018 i decide to build my own dropcatching service (p.s. am high skilled programmer with strong academic background), after spending some time reading about domain life cycle testing programing languages benchmark for this project, i deiced to use golang (programing language created by google in 2009) and after couple months of developing, the essential functionality was ready to start working on full automation, in one month of running i catched 0 domain (p.s. i was targeting only very high quality .com), after analyzing data this is what i found:
Best case scenario my system was slow by 80 milliseconds (the server where my application was hosted is in virginia close to verisign servers because every milliseconds it counts in this game).
They catched approximately 95% of my recommendation list.
I was using verisign public whois, dropcatch have private access to more than 1500 registrar.

How is your experience with "Go lang" and are you using your own icann accreditation?

Public whois is rate limited so can't use for backorders(correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[golan]

long story: in january 2018 i decide to build my own dropcatching service (p.s. am high skilled programmer with strong academic background)

It's good you have hight programming skills; but how many registrars did you own? That's the key question.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

long story: in january 2018 i decide to build my own dropcatching service (p.s. am high skilled programmer with strong academic background)

I think you might need a bit more than one server to provide the service that you wanted to provide.

 

[BrandSac]

How is your experience with "Go lang" and are you using your own icann accreditation?

Public whois is rate limited so can't use for backorders(correct me if I'm wrong)

Go lang is very attractive programing language when's you get the philosophy behind it, and it's very fast i mean very very fast it's the best backend programing language i ever use, for the frontend the standard templating engine have a long way to go, unfortunately am not in the financial zone where i can own icann accreditation (cost $4k year) i did use verisign public whois protocol and like you said there is limitation (max 1000 request per minute after that you get banned but temporary few minutes).

It's good you have hight programming skills; but how many registrars did you own? That's the key question.

As i mentioned earlier dropcatch is dominating only because there +1500 registrars that have direct access to there api.

I think you might need a bit more than one server to provide the service that you wanted to provide.

owning more than one server will certainly augment your capacity to check public whois but because it's not private direct access, you will be always one step behind them, owning a lot of icann accreditation will be your only solution.

 

[davidc1]

Go lang is very attractive programing language when's you get the philosophy behind it, and it's very fast i mean very very fast it's the best backend programing language i ever use, for the frontend the standard templating engine have a long way to go, unfortunately am not in the financial zone where i can own icann accreditation (cost $4k year) i did use verisign public whois protocol and like you said there is limitation (max 1000 request per minute after that you get banned but temporary few minutes).



As i mentioned earlier dropcatch is dominating only because there +1500 registrars that have direct access to there api.



owning more than one server will certainly augment your capacity to check public whois but because it's not private direct access, you will be always one step behind them, owning a lot of icann accreditation will be your only solution.

I dont think services are checking whois, they try to register domains directly and widely.

 

[VaibhavA]

I wont say, "you cant". You wanna try, go for it. Maybe you will come out will something different. Why not, another dropcatch service wont hurt. But heres what i think.

Drop catching is an arms race. The more registrar credentials someone has, the more likely they are to catch a dropping domain. So the big players in the backorder space – companies that specialize in just drop catching – have amassed an army of registrars. Often those aren't registrars that exist to serve customers; rather, they're just extra credentials used to ping the registry in order to attempt to register a domain within milliseconds. More registrar credentials implies faster, more frequent registration attempts. Amassing so many registrar credentials is expensive, and the specialized drop catchers already have captured this market share.

So, if you can come out with a new tech, gr8, we all want it.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

I wont say, "you cant". You wanna try, go for it. Maybe you will come out will something different. Why not, another dropcatch service wont hurt. But heres what i think.

Drop catching is an arms race. The more registrar credentials someone has, the more likely they are to catch a dropping domain. So the big players in the backorder space – companies that specialize in just drop catching – have amassed an army of registrars. Often those aren't registrars that exist to serve customers; rather, they're just extra credentials used to ping the registry in order to attempt to register a domain within milliseconds. More registrar credentials implies faster, more frequent registration attempts. Amassing so many registrar credentials is expensive, and the specialized drop catchers already have captured this market share.

So, if you can come out with a new tech, gr8, we all want it.

Is it really the registrars that choose when a domain is "let go"? That sounds like the job of the registry to me. Obviously it's a different process for after market domains, they are simply made available for auction to the drop catching services they don't actually "drop".