Are .xyz and Network Solutions "Cooking the Books"?

[Ms Domainer]

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Very interesting article at The Domains:

http://www.thedomains.com/2014/06/03/did-networksolutions-com-give-away-free-xyz-domain-names/

According to the article, when someone regs a domain at Net Sol, he/she automatically is "given" the matching .xyz. One has to opt out by going to a separate link.

Indeed, I checked a couple of The Domains samples (both crap domains in any gTLD) in both .com and .xyz, and, yes, they are owned by the same person.

But I noticed something else that's interesting: the registrant email for .xyz is under privacy, but the .com isn't.

Check for yourself:

00938625.XYZ (privacy email)
00938625.com (regular email)

03304cjp64ubzd1.xyz (privacy email)
03304cjp64ubzd1.com (regular)​

I bet that the registrant doesn't even know that the .xyz has been awarded to him/her and that renewal notices won't even go to the registrant.

It does look fishy, I'm afraid.

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[Jasonn]

"Biz" is a word that you expect a small time, uneducated person to think is clever. I would be embarrassed to build a site with it. I prefer .horse.

my point was despite over 2 million biz being registered, they have no aftermarket and professionals don't use them. someone is registering and renewing them but i wouldn't know who.

 

[William V]

my point was despite over 2 million biz being registered, they have no aftermarket and professionals don't use them. someone is registering and renewing them but i wouldn't know who.

There are a couple thousand recorded sales of .biz names. Most sales are not reported so probably there are several thousand more that never made the books. I see some small sites on the extension but I wouldn't click there with your mouse .

I get your point, it has regs but no use.

 

[jmcc]

Only the reg fee is more expensive. Try buying Hardware.com vs Hardware.xyz. The differential there will be 6 figures for sure.

Real businesses build brands. It is as simple as that. While domainers were talking about generics, the whole domain name business shifted emphasis to the specifics.

I think a handful of popular sites on the new extensions can pave the way for all of them. Imagine if facebook.com changes to face.book, it's over. People catch on to tech trends faster today than ever before.

And individual people rarely build websites. They are too busy on Facebook or Social Media.

Very interesting points. Do you have any recommendations about where I can find more information about this?

I've posted details of some of these surveys in the .CO threads. Eurid's cargo-cult "report" is on the www.eurid.eu website. (I did the first large scale web usage survey of .EU and it frightened Eurid so much that they got a bunch of non-expert numpties from a university to try do something similar. Being non-expert numpties, they used students to try classify development. Students can't tell a clone website from another TLD from a genuine in-TLD website. And their classification methodology sucked. While their findings might appear statistically sound, the reality is that they are just cargo-cult attempts at making .EU ccTLD seem good.)

These are the survey results for .EU that scared them so:
http://www.hosterstats.com/blog/2011/11/23/doteu-web-survey-results/
It covered approximately 2.3 million websites which is a few more than their little toy 5,000 site survey.

These are smaller (approximately 500K sites each) surveys for .CO ccTLD:
http://www.hosterstats.com/blog/2011/07/27/website-usage-in-co-july-2011/
The landrush anniversary survey is here:
http://www.hosterstats.com/blog/2011/08/15/august-2011-co-web-survey-73111-expired-co-domains/
I have later .CO surveys but I don't think that I posted them in full. The later ones showed that .CO was morphing into a Truckstop TLD (nice new phrase ) with more websites redirecting to primary sites in other TLDs than developed active/unique websites in the ccTLD. The .EU ccTLD shows the same Truckstop TLD trend with the external redirects to primary sites in other TLDs.

Fair point. Still, even 5-10% of the market is a big number.

Not really. Anything from 10% to 30% of the domains in each of these TLDs might not even be set up in DNS and or have no website.

I don't think many end users would agree there. For example:
Cardiology.com $550,000
Cardiology.link $9

As I said, businesses build brands. Brands are defensible whereas generic terms, with a few exceptions, are not.

So what do you think happens to all of the new gtld's? They all go away?

They may not go away but a very small few will be moderately sucessful within five years. One or two might evolve to the size of one of the legacy gTLDs. It really depends on how the registrants use them.

Regards...jmcc

 

[kabdesign]

i wonder where the 7,000 + registrations per day for .xyz are coming from?
Do you guys think he has that many registrars helping him cook the books?
I'm not saying either way, but just curious? I like the idea of .xyz to be honest, call me insane but i have about 55 of them haha. all mint key words though, Dubstep.xyz , healthproducts.xyz , oliveoil , teenporn etc haha i dont mind though whats a weeks work for a small shot at something new i say,
If I do alright with the ones that i build (Noob) I will post links if any body cares to have a look haha

 

[wot]

i wonder where the 7,000 + registrations per day for .xyz are coming from?
Do you guys think he has that many registrars helping him cook the books?
I'm not saying either way, but just curious? I like the idea of .xyz to be honest, call me insane but i have about 55 of them haha. all mint key words though, Dubstep.xyz , healthproducts.xyz , oliveoil , teenporn etc haha i dont mind though whats a weeks work for a small shot at something new i say,
If I do alright with the ones that i build (Noob) I will post links if any body cares to have a look haha

Good luck.

 

[kabdesign]

Good luck.

haha thanks, even if it is sarcastic haha

 

[JB Lions]

i wonder where the 7,000 + registrations per day for .xyz are coming from?
Do you guys think he has that many registrars helping him cook the books?
I'm not saying either way, but just curious? I like the idea of .xyz to be honest, call me insane but i have about 55 of them haha. all mint key words though, Dubstep.xyz , healthproducts.xyz , oliveoil , teenporn etc haha i dont mind though whats a weeks work for a small shot at something new i say,
If I do alright with the ones that i build (Noob) I will post links if any body cares to have a look haha

The answer is right in post #1 of the thread. 256,000 names regged, 222,000 at Netsol who have been giving them away for free.

 

[mad409]

I personally like the .xyz extension and I've never been in the domain buying and selling business. This extension caught my eye because I thought it was easy to remember and quite catchy regardless of the naysayers.

Like anyone on the Internet I know if you can catch a good name it could be worth something down the road therefore I purchased some .xyz names simply because I liked it. Sure it's not .com but that's the oldie, biggie and by the way com isn't a word either but rather com, like xyz. Three letters.

I've had a business Website with Network Solutions for years and never received a free .xyz, not sure what's up with that but all the bad press doesn't bother me as this extension is getting more exposure than any and like they say bad press is sometimes good press.

Since I've purchased some high quality .xyz names does any pro's here know how long it will take before I have control of the names? ICANN has me listed as the owner when searching but Network Solutions says I have to wait for an email from ICANN and them before they're added to my account. These names were land rush, one was awarded without a competing auction and the other two were won by auction against the other register.

Thanks for the help and reply's, yes I'm a newbie but I do see a future in these new extensions being launched. .xyz works IMO..

 

[kabdesign]

I personally like the .xyz extension and I've never been in the domain buying and selling business. This extension caught my eye because I thought it was easy to remember and quite catchy regardless of the naysayers.

Like anyone on the Internet I know if you can catch a good name it could be worth something down the road therefore I purchased some .xyz names simply because I liked it. Sure it's not .com but that's the oldie, biggie and by the way com isn't a word either but rather com, like xyz. Three letters.

I've had a business Website with Network Solutions for years and never received a free .xyz, not sure what's up with that but all the bad press doesn't bother me as this extension is getting more exposure than any and like they say bad press is sometimes good press.

Since I've purchased some high quality .xyz names does any pro's here know how long it will take before I have control of the names? ICANN has me listed as the owner when searching but Network Solutions says I have to wait for an email from ICANN and them before they're added to my account. These names were land rush, one was awarded without a competing auction and the other two were won by auction against the other register.

Thanks for the help and reply's, yes I'm a newbie but I do see a future in these new extensions being launched. .xyz works IMO..

haha thas probably going to be half its success , theres alot of newbies coming up and the old players dont like it, but evolution works that way, and those naysayers cant really say because they dont actually know what the next generations come to adapt as their "Norms" etc, .xyz and .tattoo means more to me and my gen than .com, Thats what will make new extensions catch on eventually, the need for good keywords that dont cost 5 million dollars, think about it this way, Its like we are running out of land and decided to build a fresh new island, What would you do? stay in a crowded land or eventually move to a fresh spot with room to expand? haha i'm choosing the latter.

 

[kabdesign]

The answer is right in post #1 of the thread. 256,000 names regged, 222,000 at Netsol who have been giving them away for free.

222,000 , got proof ? a link or something?

 

[bmugford]

222,000 , got proof ? a link or something?

http://ntldstats.com/tld/xyz

 

[JB Lions]

I personally like the .xyz extension and I've never been in the domain buying and selling business. This extension caught my eye because I thought it was easy to remember and quite catchy regardless of the naysayers.

Like anyone on the Internet I know if you can catch a good name it could be worth something down the road therefore I purchased some .xyz names simply because I liked it. Sure it's not .com but that's the oldie, biggie and by the way com isn't a word either but rather com, like xyz. Three letters.

I've had a business Website with Network Solutions for years and never received a free .xyz, not sure what's up with that but all the bad press doesn't bother me as this extension is getting more exposure than any and like they say bad press is sometimes good press.

Since I've purchased some high quality .xyz names does any pro's here know how long it will take before I have control of the names? ICANN has me listed as the owner when searching but Network Solutions says I have to wait for an email from ICANN and them before they're added to my account. These names were land rush, one was awarded without a competing auction and the other two were won by auction against the other register.

Thanks for the help and reply's, yes I'm a newbie but I do see a future in these new extensions being launched. .xyz works IMO..

Thanks for the newbie vision of the future. And bad press is exactly that, bad in most instances, unless you're something like in the Entertainment industry like radio or something and have love to hate you type viewers. Bad press for something like this, isn't good.

222,000 , got proof ? a link or something?

It's already been answered for you but that was on page 1 as well. Just actually read the thread, it's only 8 pages.

theres alot of newbies coming up and the old players dont like it, but evolution works that way, and those naysayers cant really say because they dont actually know what the next generations come to adapt as their "Norms" etc,

Kids today wearing skinny jeans isn't evolution. It's something they'll look back at when they've grown up and say, wtf was I thinking.

 

[The New Guy]

.xyz and .tattoo means more to me and my gen than .com,

Is your generation from another planet where saying "dot exx why zee (or zed)" is faster than saying .com?

.xyz is a clunky, clumsy extension that likely fail and fade away because the vast majority of registrations are either unwanted opt-out add ons or speculators thinking their single word .xyz is going to make them rich.

That means little development and little use, which leaves .xyz far outside of the awareness of 99% of the population.

 

[mad409]

Thanks for the newbie vision of the future. And bad press is exactly that, bad in most instances, unless you're something like in the Entertainment industry like radio or something and have love to hate you type viewers. Bad press for something like this, isn't good.

@jp - You're welcome, it's a new day and time and I understand competition stinks.

I truly feel for everyone holding old unwanted .com, .net and .org names that will be hard to sell due to the new launch of gTIDs.

Actually the bad press I was referring too isn't that bad, it's doing nothing but helping boost exposure for this .xyz TID. As I pointed out I've never been offered a free .xyz from Network Solutions and I've done business with them for years therefore any that has received this offer must be limited IMO or really stinky gTIDs. BTW - I've seen no free names posted to date, what they actually are.

.xyz has held on to some of the best names, the other really good names went to auction at namejet between the competing applicants. When doing a .xyz search now for anything leftover the good stuff is gone.

.xyz seems to be the mother ship of new extensions, get onboard or don't, it's everyone's choice.

Someone else replied about speculation - Isn't that what investors do, example: Stock Market, .com.

 

[kabdesign]

Is your generation from another planet where saying "dot exx why zee (or zed)" is faster than saying .com?

.xyz is a clunky, clumsy extension that likely fail and fade away because the vast majority of registrations are either unwanted opt-out add ons or speculators thinking their single word .xyz is going to make them rich.

That means little development and little use, which leaves .xyz far outside of the awareness of 99% of the population.

haha it does not matter how hard is is to say, i just like it better, and the whole world does not just consist of you and .xyz haters, there is plenty of people like me too, time will tell though wont it...

 

[kabdesign]

Thanks for the newbie vision of the future. And bad press is exactly that, bad in most instances, unless you're something like in the Entertainment industry like radio or something and have love to hate you type viewers. Bad press for something like this, isn't good.



It's already been answered for you but that was on page 1 as well. Just actually read the thread, it's only 8 pages.



Kids today wearing skinny jeans isn't evolution. It's something they'll look back at when they've grown up and say, wtf was I thinking.

haha , I dont wear skinny jeans man i'm a 90's kid, But I do however know how they think, and my point is , are people from my gen and below goind to bother saving up $100,000 to buy Dubstep.com or what ever ? no way, And are we going to want non generic extensions like .club ? nah screw that, .xyz is good for me and quite alot of others, in fact I have seen more love for .xyz than hate...
And so your saying that for the last 3 weeks netsol have been drip feeding these free domains at the rate of 2,500 + per day? I would have thought that they would have done that in one fowl swoop?
I dunno I'm just the dumb newbie here i suppose , You guys know best haha

 

[kabdesign]

And by the way, I have Dubstep.xyz
It only takes a few people like me to make a bad ass website that appeals to our gens Like dubstep.xyz for example, if that got big, all the younger gen would all of a sudden know .xyz, and since it is primarily targeted to people like me and younger, it wont be hard to get the ball rolling and get .xyz to be well known by my gen and younger..
In fact I like .xyz mostly because i feel it suits people like me, and also its actually easier to type than .com ,.. actually try it.

 

[kabdesign]

So does that with out a doubt mean that they were all give aways? i doubt it .

 

[The New Guy]

haha it does not matter how hard is is to say, i just like it better, and the whole world does not just consist of you and .xyz haters, there is plenty of people like me too, time will tell though wont it...

You mean people living in a fantasy world?

Everything you're saying ignores past internet trends, advertising and marketing norms, and basically common sense. You are operating not on solid business practices and norms, but wishes. You're basically gambling with a really bad hand.

The super cool and hip kids of the future you claim to be a part of still have to contend with the limits of radio advertising time, memorability, and familiarity - all things which .xyz and the host of .vanity domain names lack.

 

[mad409]

@newguy - If you deal in .com or anything else don't you gamble daily? I agree this isn't a new kids thing or extension but rather a new TID. It works for everyone.

Make a valid point within your argument, there's not any I can see other than trolling the poster.

On an upside for those who care I see that Google has indexed a redirect domain .xyz to my business site and that's a good thing. That assures me Google is onboard.

I did another redirect with .expert, nothing.

 

[tomcarl]

People will love any extension that they own a few single-words on.

 

[tomcarl]

Once the very last single-word domain is registered on .XYZ by domainers/investors/gamblers, the frenzy is done and on to the next extension that lowers their price to $10 regfee. I wonder how many people would love .XYZ if the regfee was $19.99 - $29.99.

 

[ecalc]

ICANN gTLD Bloc Announces Pledge of Allegiance
4 July 2014
London (AP) - - In a classic late Friday data dump, ICANN announced bylaw changes requiring officers to recite a Pledge of Allegiance during all future global conferences. The Pledge reads:

“I pledge allegiance to xyz, and to the People’s Republic of Santa Monica, for which it stands, one notion, underground, invisible, with liberty and justice for all hipsters.”

Motivation for the change is unknown, as is the intent of the term xyz to be either a generic placeholder or the actual registry. ICANN documents state that the Pledge should be rendered by standing at attention. Face Santa Monica with right hand over heart. If wearing a wife beater, do not tuck hand inside. Pull up pants and rotate baseball cap 180º forward. If a dot com cartel member or material is nearby, remain silent, face them, give the one finger salute, then recite the Pledge. Also check for wires. If they are listening to Country Dick Montana, spiritual advisor of gen.beat subversives, contact local authorities. ICANN vigorously objects to the use of the word ‘beat’ in the lyrics below, citing xyz affirmative action copyright anticipation/substitution principles.

Some people say I’m lazy and my life’s a wreck
Hell that stuff doesn’t phase me
I get unemployment checks
I belong to the beat generation
I don’t let anything boggle my mind
I belong to the beat generation
Everything’s going just fine
I once knew a man who actually worked from 9 to 5
Just to pay his monthly bills was why he stayed alive
So keep your country cottage your house and lawn so green
I just want a one room pad where I can make the scene

 

[JB Lions]

And so your saying that for the last 3 weeks netsol have been drip feeding these free domains at the rate of 2,500 + per day? I would have thought that they would have done that in one fowl swoop?
I dunno I'm just the dumb newbie here i suppose , You guys know best haha

Since the start - http://ntldstats.com/tld/xyz

229,000 out of 264,000 at Netsol now. 35,000 for a neutral extension isn't good at all. Compare it to another neutral one .co who did 300,000 real regs in just the first week.

Just checked their Twitter and Blog.

No tweets this month yet.

No blog posts in 2 weeks.

 

[jmcc]

.xyz is a clunky, clumsy extension that likely fail and fade away because the vast majority of registrations are either unwanted opt-out add ons or speculators thinking their single word .xyz is going to make them rich.

It is still in its first year of operation. The real crunch won't come until the renewal rates become available. The opt-out registrations may well have a very poor renewal rate.

That means little development and little use, which leaves .xyz far outside of the awareness of 99% of the population.

Development is the big issue for these new gTLDs because development drives use which, in turn drives development. This is the June 2014 Website Usage survey for .XYZ.
http://www.hosterstats.com/xyz-website-usage-survey.php

There are people using the gTLD or at least trying to develop sites. The problem is that the opt-out registrations are on PPC parking and they are swamping those figures to such an extent that a type-in might well end up on a PPC page rather than an active website. This is perhaps more damaging in the long run for any gTLD because it creates the perception in the mind of an average user that there are no websites in the TLD. Because development is an expensive and time consuming thing, many domainers will park high value keyword domains on PPC rather than develop them into working websites. That's fine for a TLD like .COM or some of the larger ccTLDS as they may well get type-in traffic. Some of the new gTLDs will get type-in traffic but it will generally be people checking if the domain exists or is available. It is unlikely at this stage that .XYZ will be competing with .COM for some time.

Regards...jmcc